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Watugonnado
Posted - 2006.07.02 14:49:00 - [151]
 

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As an Englishman, can I offer a profound apology on behalf of all these idiots who still can't believe it's ever our fault that we lost .. it must have been a biased referee, or a cheating Portuguese, or FIFA's fault for closing the roof, or ....



face facts, guys. We went to a penalty shoot-out, and TWO Portuguese players missed the target completely. How much easier a chance do we want?

If you can't stick the ball in the inside corner of the goal from twelve yards, you simply don't deserve to be paid to play football. Go look at Germany, who haven't missed a penalty for twenty-four years. Pressure? Bullcrap. There's people do their jobs under a hail of gunfire, with the risk of a bomb going off at any time. THAT, is pressure. 50,000 fans screaming at you is completely irrelevant. It doesn't affect the Germans, there's no reason it should affect us.

As for Rooney's red card - I'm not sure whether it was for kicking a guy in the crotch, or for pushing another guy over, or for swearing at the referee. He should've actually got three red cards, one for each. Anyway, I'm guessing FIFA will ban him for pretty much the whole of the next two years, so it won't be a concern.


Oh... and i suppose you think that portugal played with honor and fairness??

If its diving and cheating you like maybe you should be cheering for the Italian team for the rest of the tournament?


Sir Juri
Caldari
Gangbus
Posted - 2006.07.02 14:54:00 - [152]
 

wow some of you are such poor loosers. Even talking about killing over loosing a game Rolling Eyes one day when the english fans and players grow up you "might" win again. Its a shame they allow ppl like you in football with that atttitude. Whoever becomes such a bad looser deserves to be banned from football for life.

Portugal won fair and stuff, no question about it.

Hope you play better next time and without all that BS that comes with it, when you guys play.

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2006.07.02 14:58:00 - [153]
 

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Ok 1st part of this comment about English fans throwing rocks...

Please read English fans best in the world

Yes there may have been 1 or 2 incidents but on the whole the england fans had no problems... You think other countrys havent had trouble??

The 2nd part about English press taking portugal through the dirt... Er... did you actually watch the Portugal vs Holand game???

and the 3rd part of the coment


Yeah rigth english fans best in the world?One or two incidents?Only one incident isnt enougth?And no i did never ever heard in portuguese fans doing ***.

Man best in the world?
here is fairplay in action

And yes i watched the holland vs Portugal game and the referre was pure and utterlly a piece of *** ,that damaged the 2 teams .

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So you admit that england played well and Portugal dive like fish?? sounds like its you who is sl*gging them off HAHA


I admited that england played as good as portugal and the result at the end of the game proves it 0-0 .
We won in the penaltys you lost ,move on .

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What planet are you on... Of course i would say the same if we won... I and many other have been complaining about the amount of diving and cheating in football for a while now... I was particularly disgusted with the Italian team who seem to have turned it into an art form.


Mate the referre was one of the best referees that i have watched ,and you still say this?I have no comments.

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My point is that a team that Cheats is NOT the best team!!!

Well Ricardo is a known medium, he cheated is way into Lampard head and ,he new exacttly were he was going to shoot ,and the same happened with the other 2 that missed the penalty.

Watugonnado
Posted - 2006.07.02 15:01:00 - [154]
 

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all this chit chat about rooney getting the red card, hes an excellent player, he needs to control his anger though, you CANNOT argue with the ref.

The red card was a good call, why? As pushing and swearing should not be tolerated when playing football, I know football is more physical than msot people think however that push was uncalled for and had nothing to do with the game...


At last... a fair argument put accross with good reasoning Wink

I hear what u are saying m8... i just think a red is to harsh considering the occaission... a yellow and a stern talking to by the ref would have been best for the game.

Now before anyone starts crying about "FIFA rules clearly state that ANY violent conduct is an instant dismissal blah blah blah" my point is that FIFA have got it wrong... bit like sociaty as a whole... we keep punishing the wrong people... Now i know that FIFA have said they are gonna try and clean up the cheats by sending them off but ive seen far more people sent off for hard tackles than Divers and play actors... ive said it before and ill say it again... Its killing the game!!!

And please people... STOP calling it a stamp... he stepped on him... if it was a stamp the guy would have been out of the game!!!

Soulis
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
Posted - 2006.07.02 15:01:00 - [155]
 

6 pages of poor excuses from bad losers.

Sir Juri
Caldari
Gangbus
Posted - 2006.07.02 15:02:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: Pesadel0
Quote:
Ok 1st part of this comment about English fans throwing rocks...

Please read English fans best in the world

Yes there may have been 1 or 2 incidents but on the whole the england fans had no problems... You think other countrys havent had trouble??

The 2nd part about English press taking portugal through the dirt... Er... did you actually watch the Portugal vs Holand game???

and the 3rd part of the coment


Yeah rigth english fans best in the world?One or two incidents?Only one incident isnt enougth?And no i did never ever heard in portuguese fans doing ***.

Man best in the world?
here is fairplay in action

And yes i watched the holland vs Portugal game and the referre was pure and utterlly a piece of *** ,that damaged the 2 teams .

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So you admit that england played well and Portugal dive like fish?? sounds like its you who is sl*gging them off HAHA


I admited that england played as good as portugal and the result at the end of the game proves it 0-0 .
We won in the penaltys you lost ,move on .

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What planet are you on... Of course i would say the same if we won... I and many other have been complaining about the amount of diving and cheating in football for a while now... I was particularly disgusted with the Italian team who seem to have turned it into an art form.


Mate the referre was one of the best referees that i have watched ,and you still say this?I have no comments.

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My point is that a team that Cheats is NOT the best team!!!

Well Ricardo is a known medium, he cheated is way into Lampard head and ,he new exacttly were he was going to shoot ,and the same happened with the other 2 that missed the penalty.


your right about it all, but it doesnt matter what one say, they will still believe they are the best in the world cause they won 40+ years ago. And nomatter what anyone says it cant be their fault for loosing, its allways someone elses fault. If the english media would shout its santa claus's fault, we would see the english invade the north pole Laughing

Watugonnado
Posted - 2006.07.02 15:04:00 - [157]
 

Pesadel0

I must appologise.. i didnt realise you was Portugal fan...

You see as an englishman it is instilled in me to be honest and fair playing... It is unfair of me to try a false my values on you

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2006.07.02 15:09:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Watugonnado
Pesadel0

I must appologise.. i didnt realise you was Portugal fan...

You see as an englishman it is instilled in me to be honest and fair playing... It is unfair of me to try a false my values on you


Watugonnado i forgive you,maybe you should instill your honestty and fair play in Rooney then?

Watugonnado
Posted - 2006.07.02 15:15:00 - [159]
 

HAHA

*Shakes Pesadel0's hand and walks away*

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2006.07.02 15:23:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Watugonnado
HAHA

*Shakes Pesadel0's hand and walks away*


*hugs watugonnado* Wink

Baldour Ngarr
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.02 15:50:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Watugonnado

Oh... and i suppose you think that portugal played with honor and fairness??

If its diving and cheating you like maybe you should be cheering for the Italian team for the rest of the tournament?




If I thought Portugal played with honor and fairness, I would have said "Portugal played with honor and fairness."

If ever you learn to read, you may realise that I didn't say that. I merely point out that none of that has any bearing on the fact that we lost. We lost, because so-called professional footballers can't hit a space a yard wide from 12 yards away. My 11-year-old nephew can do it 100 times out of 100, even if you hold a gun to his head and tell him his life depends on it. What on earth is their problem?

Baldour Ngarr
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.02 15:51:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Watugonnado
[... Now i know that FIFA have said they are gonna try and clean up the cheats by sending them off but ive seen far more people sent off for hard tackles than Divers and play actors...


I've never yet seen a player's career terminated by an opponent diving or play-acting.

Spavin ll
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.07.02 16:12:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 16:45:30
Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 16:45:07
Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 16:44:08
Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 16:37:26
Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 16:22:55
Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 16:20:50
Originally by: Sir Juri
wow some of you are such poor loosers. Even talking about killing over loosing a game Rolling Eyes

So youv'e taken quite a few posts completly out of contex then, nobody really wants to kill em, just getting accross their absoulete disgust.

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Its a shame they allow ppl like you in football with that atttitude.

So people have a strong desire for victory and absoultley anything else is a failure? Is that a bad attitude to have, the management set up in England had 5 years to prepare and be realistic challengers this tournament and failed misrabiliy, people are angry and ****ed and it shows, unfortuantly it goes far too far with some people Crying or Very sad football is far more impotant than just a game marra. Give it a week or two and everybody will be back to normal and we'll all be concentrating on the lows of club football again. The world cup is over for engalnd - unfortuantly some of our fans have yet this into their heads. It as usual will take a good month or two before the proper analysis of went wrong will take place, although sadly it will be too late to stop mclaren taking over by then.

Good luck portugal I hope you get to the final and do yourselves justice, unfortuantly if they play like they did against Brazil then I cant see you beating the french (as much as I would like you to hammer them)

Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
I've never yet seen a player's career terminated by an opponent diving or play-acting.


I've never yet seen a players caarer ended by a good hard challenge, I have seen plenty ended by bad challenges or even deliberate ones (the latter players should be banned from playing again), but Football is a physical game, by trying to clamp down on bad challenges (which has my full support) its unfortuantly gone to far and people are being penalised for good challenges just because they are 'hard'. If you get the ball before the player (as long as its not two footed or a lunge) then its a good and fair challenge irrespictive of how hard it is. However i firmly believe that diving and play acting should automatically recieve the same punishment violent conduct does - 3 match ban.

Martin Jol give imo a fair anaysis of engalnds failing in this article particually the last paragraph (if you cant possibly bear to see portugals players criticised then skip to the 7th paragraph)

Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.02 17:18:00 - [164]
 

Physics fact: if a goalie is standing on the line in the middle of the goal, and someone smokes a penalty with power into one of the corners, no way in hell a goalie can catch that. Ever. So forget psychology, pressure, goalies that "read" penalty, look how germans did it and go practice again.

Godar Marak
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.02 17:21:00 - [165]
 

England played with heart this last match and I was hoping they would win.


But the truth is that England isnt a team with enough skill to make it to the finals let alone the quarter finals, you cant even score on penatlies.


Deal with it, stop blaming everyone else for your own short comings.

Lazydog
0utbreak
Posted - 2006.07.02 17:33:00 - [166]
 

england should have won the match with portugal but they didnt cost they:

1. made a bad move playing 4-5-1 ...stupid formation that we are not used to playing
2. didnt take enough strikers, and thus losing owen and a not 100% rooney who couldnt make the grade
3. didnt play crouch or lennon enough imo
4. had a swede as a manager, - imo sven would not have the fire in him being a non english manager.

and 5. most importantly FiFa put an Argentinian Referee up to ref our game , i dont care , this was BADDDD mmkay!! fifa knows the hostilities between the argies and england and that they always cheat!!!!!!!!111 dont tell me that ref was not biased in anyway!!!

making carragher retake his penalty, cos the goalie said " Oh i wasn't ready!" ffs what was he doing taking a hamlet cigar moment? leaning up against the goal post!! Bah what the hell.

its gone its done and we were cheated out of yet another world cup, along with not playing as well as we can.

HolographicEntrypoint
Perkone
Posted - 2006.07.02 17:36:00 - [167]
 

Btw I thought Rooney was sent off for kickin to guy into the groin while scrambling up.

Spavin ll
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.07.02 17:42:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 18:07:06
Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 18:06:26
Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 18:05:05
Originally by: Lazydog

4. had a swede as a manager, - imo sven would not have the fire in him being a non english manager.


Absoulete crap, dosnt matter were the manager come from aslong as their good, sven wasnt, he tried to play the wrong type of game and it dint suit the players, this has nothing to do with him not being english, would much rather had big phil or martin jol than the hopeless mclaren which we now have

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and 5. most importantly FiFa put an Argentinian Referee up to ref our game , i dont care , this was BADDDD mmkay!! fifa knows the hostilities between the argies and england and that they always cheat!!!!!!!!111 dont tell me that ref was not biased in anyway!!!


Putting an argy ref had no influence on the game, he dint make one bad decision at all, he was perfitcally correect witht he rooney sending of either for the "stamp" (i use the word lightly cause if it was a stamp carhvallio (sp) wouldnt walk again though it was definetly dileberate), the push, or the swearing,tiake your pick he could have sent him off for any one for them under the lwas of the game. And the penalty was Carraghers fault, he took it before the ref had blown his whistle, you have to wait till the ref tells you to take it every man and his dog except carragher knows that. Besides Big Phil is brazillian, argies dont like the brazzilains just as much if not more than they dont like us.

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its gone its done and we were cheated out of yet another world cup


ConfusedConfused

1990 - No problem with this, lost our bottle during the pens
1996 - No problem again, lost our bottle during the pens
1998 - Lost our bottle during the pens
2000 - no problems with this, we weren't good enough
2002 - no problems with this, we weren't good enough
2004 - good goal disallowed?? lost bottle on pens
2006 - no problems with this, we werent good enough

I fail to see were we have been cheated.

Stop trying to make excuses, we were crap all tournament, and the one time we play well we fail to take our chances, we deserved to be knocked out. End off.

Godar Marak
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.02 17:45:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Lazydog



its gone its done and we were cheated out of yet another world cup





Laughing

The Gate
Posted - 2006.07.02 19:34:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: The Gate on 02/07/2006 19:34:24
If i was rooney and just of got that red card then i'd of hit ronaldo there and then, i'm getting sent off anyway so why not ?. England played alot better the entire game, portugal had an extra man for advantage and still were no where near good enough to get past england defence. One of the england penalties had to be retaken because keeper wasn't ready (crap excuse just because he couldn't save it), ronaldo stopped whilst running up to take his which is against the rules. Result portugal win but we all know england were the better team. Anyway portugal will be going home soon enough as well after losing to france. By the way i'm not from england or portugal.

Sir Juri
Caldari
Gangbus
Posted - 2006.07.02 19:50:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: The Gate
Edited by: The Gate on 02/07/2006 19:34:24
If i was rooney and just of got that red card then i'd of hit ronaldo there and then, i'm getting sent off anyway so why not ?. England played alot better the entire game, portugal had an extra man for advantage and still were no where near good enough to get past england defence. One of the england penalties had to be retaken because keeper wasn't ready (crap excuse just because he couldn't save it), ronaldo stopped whilst running up to take his which is against the rules. Result portugal win but we all know england were the better team. Anyway portugal will be going home soon enough as well after losing to france. By the way i'm not from england or portugal.


you dont get it do you? goalkeeper wasnt ready cause the ref has to blow the whistle first. And your player forgot to wait!!! Rolling Eyes

Serenity Frye
Gallente
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2006.07.02 20:06:00 - [172]
 

doesnt matter anyway YOUR GOING HOME anyway u were struggling to beat 10 men i dunno how your gonna beat france

algorythm
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.02 21:02:00 - [173]
 

Its been interesting so far, we had oranges, then some tea, now just maybe...
Croissant?

Originally by: Serenity Frye
doesnt matter anyway YOUR GOING HOME anyway u were struggling to beat 10 men i dunno how your gonna beat france


Well if we lose, Ill be happy anyway, it is a sport after all! I wont be blaming refrees, coachs, weather, the other team, or any other excuses, thats for the press and dumb people, I tell you if we do lose to France, I will honestly hope they do win the world cup and prove we could only get beaten by the very best!

Tomsudy
Minmatar
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2006.07.02 22:01:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Pesadel0
Quote:
Ok 1st part of this comment about English fans throwing rocks...

Please read English fans best in the world

Yes there may have been 1 or 2 incidents but on the whole the england fans had no problems... You think other countrys havent had trouble??

The 2nd part about English press taking portugal through the dirt... Er... did you actually watch the Portugal vs Holand game???

and the 3rd part of the coment


Yeah rigth english fans best in the world?One or two incidents?Only one incident isnt enougth?And no i did never ever heard in portuguese fans doing ***.

Man best in the world?
here is fairplay in action

And yes i watched the holland vs Portugal game and the referre was pure and utterlly a piece of *** ,that damaged the 2 teams .

Quote:
So you admit that england played well and Portugal dive like fish?? sounds like its you who is sl*gging them off HAHA


I admited that england played as good as portugal and the result at the end of the game proves it 0-0 .
We won in the penaltys you lost ,move on .

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What planet are you on... Of course i would say the same if we won... I and many other have been complaining about the amount of diving and cheating in football for a while now... I was particularly disgusted with the Italian team who seem to have turned it into an art form.


Mate the referre was one of the best referees that i have watched ,and you still say this?I have no comments.

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My point is that a team that Cheats is NOT the best team!!!

Well Ricardo is a known medium, he cheated is way into Lampard head and ,he new exacttly were he was going to shoot ,and the same happened with the other 2 that missed the penalty.


That referee fixed the match

typical argentine tbh


necronarcosis
Eggz Enterprises
Posted - 2006.07.02 22:30:00 - [175]
 

nevermind, england were poor
thats that.
but rooney Will give ronaldo a smack when they meet on the training ground. and thats good, cant stand the whiney child.
i just wish the standard of ref's was better.

Figo shouldnt have even played due to his headbutt in the previous game.
and ronaldo before kick off headbutted rooney.

overall, both teams were very poor.

anyone for tennis?


Baldour Ngarr
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.02 22:50:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Spavin ll
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
I've never yet seen a player's career terminated by an opponent diving or play-acting.


I've never yet seen a players caarer ended by a good hard challenge


There's been dozens. Maybe you should watch more football.

Hellraiza666
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.02 22:58:00 - [177]
 

"ronaldo before kick off headbutted rooney."

yup, he headbutted rooney blatently. And accordin to rooney when interviewed, ronaldo threatened him saying he is going to get him sent off. And he did Confused Ronaldo reminds me of the teachers pet, who every1 wants to hit for being a prick Razz

Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
Posted - 2006.07.02 23:08:00 - [178]
 

Also for those who say rooney and ronaldo are not friends...
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Laughing

Emno
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.03 00:24:00 - [179]
 

I wouldn't really say portugal won that tbh more england losing it Laughing

As for diving? thats how the game is now anything that even looks remotly like a missed tackle can win a match (italy vs aus ;/) they would be fools not to dive with the refs at this world cup.

xxShadexx
Dashavatara
Posted - 2006.07.03 00:45:00 - [180]
 

Im an England fan.

A handball or more misssed by the Ref, not his fault, just annoying. Rooney..well what can I say, hes from a rough part of Liverpool but was disappointing.

We survived with 10 men and had a few chances to score which I was happy about.

I liked how Crouch made a diving gesture to one of the reds :P

In the end, the better team won, England played poorly and "just enough" to get to these stages.

BRING ON 2010!!!


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