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Posted - 2006.07.02 09:58:00 - [121]
 

ok so if rooney was sent off for a slight push on a portugese player, why wasnt Figo red carded for HEADBUTTING another player?

Given the fact the Ronaldo was up on his feet so quickly after apparently gettign a load of studs right in his crotch, he should have bee carded for diving.

And anyone stating that the ref was unbiased is talking rubbish. (Funny how no one is talking about the fact that the player taking the last penalty for portugal stopped in his run up - which is illegal under the rules of the game)

However this does not excuse Englands poor performance.

There is no killer instinct - the team only ever did just enough to win. They didnt go out with the intention of pounding the opposition into the ground.
Until that changes, we will NEVER win a major tournament.

As ever the media just don't help with the way they behave in the run up to a tournament. its 40 years since we won the world cup. ffs just let it go.

Theres alot of passion in this thread. I just wish we could have seen that on the pitch.



Spavin ll
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.07.02 10:02:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Pesadel0


And stop this *** about diving ,you guys (and all other teams) are the ones that are always ,ALWAYS doing faults to portugal and not letting them play their game.Holland almost killed ronaldo Evil or Very Mad.If you don´t want faults dont do them.




Football is a physical gaem, teams wont just stand of people and allow them to play they will correctly try to tackle them, this will obviously lead to players being fowled, however that dosn't give players the right to dive and roll around like they have been shot by a sniper, ronaldo is prehaps one the most guilty players of this in the world atm, does it all the time in the premier and continued it in to the world cup and unfortuantly for some time its been a growing trend among foreign team and its working its way into the english game as well now.

However I still maintaint hat portugal deserve to win as England simply didnt take the chances they had.

And to the guy who said loosing BEckham was a blow to England i actually personally think it was the oppostie, beckham has been playing badly all tournament, you cant base your entire game on freekicks and do nothing else in the match lennon is a far better choice for right wing now.

End Yourself
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.07.02 10:06:00 - [123]
 

\o/

Slickster
Gallente
Luna Rossa Corporation
Posted - 2006.07.02 10:14:00 - [124]
 

On the subject of David Beckham. He has just stepped down as captain for the team Shocked

Grim Peeper
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.02 10:16:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Slickster
On the subject of David Beckham. He has just stepped down as captain for the team Shocked


lol about time..the only competition we r gonna win is of gerrard gets the yellow band.

Spavin ll
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.07.02 10:24:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Slickster
On the subject of David Beckham. He has just stepped down as captain for the team Shocked


About time, if only he retired from international football at the same time, imo has been a pale shadow of his former self since Japan, and know that lennon is a better option far right atm than he is, can only have the feeling though he jumped before he was pushed. Wouldnt be suprised to see him hang around until he gets his 100th cap and then retire from international footy. Terry or Gerrard and maybe even Neville for the captancy, actually out of those I think Neville should get it, something tells me that Gerrard or Terry arnt quite ready for the captancy at international level yet.

Raptornas
0utbreak
Posted - 2006.07.02 10:34:00 - [127]
 

Anybody who questions our media's build up of the world cup should just shut up. We have fantastic players easily a match for the portuguese as proven for the fact that we had far better chances to score even when down to 10 men (Oh how I houled when our boy terry's shot was deflected just over the bar). We in england love our sport, we may not be particularly good at it but we love it and this year I and the nation genuinly thought we had a chance.

However we have a muppet of a nice guy manager who didn't understand that you should play players in their position not just cram your stars in. Our midfield was a mess and there was a simple solution, drop Lampard (and I adore the lad) and beckham stick crouch up front and put lennon in beckhams position.

There you go 4-4-2 a system that the players are happy with I don't care what you think of crouch he gets results and him and Rooney are going to be our new striking partnership we can't leave rooney on his own up there unless we want him to explode.

In the end we got screwed by the FA who had to appoint a manager before the world cup if they'd waited they could have had scolari or whoever they wanted. We also got screwed by our honesty, Lennon could have rolled over and taken a penalty he might not of got it but it was within the realms of possibility. Rooney could have gone down and taken his foul but he tried to soldier on and that was his downfall along with his passion.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2006.07.02 10:34:00 - [128]
 

First off, no-one outside England knows what a chav is.

Second we're all glad another one of the struggling-to-play-football teams are out, I'd rather see the US up there, more entertainment value for sure.

Grim Peeper
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.02 10:42:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Raptornas
However we have a muppet of a nice guy manager who didn't understand that you should play players in their position not just cram your stars in. Our midfield was a mess and there was a simple solution, drop Lampard (and I adore the lad) and beckham stick crouch up front and put lennon in beckhams position.

There you go 4-4-2 a system that the players are happy with I don't care what you think of crouch he gets results and him and Rooney are going to be our new striking partnership we can't leave rooney on his own up there unless we want him to explode.[/quote



nononono get rid of crouch...all england does with crouch is long ball, long ball, long ball..and quite frankly we SUCK at them... i recon a jermaine defeo (dno how spell that) and a rooney partnership would work wonders...

yes drop beckham and get lennon there.

and we shud have seen theo walcot when rooney went off Twisted EvilTwisted Evil

Spavin ll
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.07.02 10:50:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Grim Peeper


nononono get rid of crouch...all england does with crouch is long ball, long ball, long ball..and quite frankly we SUCK at them... i recon a jermaine defeo (dno how spell that) and a rooney partnership would work wonders...

yes drop beckham and get lennon there.

and we shud have seen theo walcot when rooney went off Twisted EvilTwisted Evil


Umm di you see how much better Englan looked yesterday when Crouch was playing? All we did all game was hit long balls up to Rooney who promptley lost it, at least crouch was able tro control the ball and pass it to an engalnd player thus keeping the ball. Walcott should never even have been taken and defoe has done nothing this year for spurs this year and showed nothing while playing for engalnd, Bent would have been a better option than defoe or walcott. And if you saw the Argentinian friendly game (i think it was december) then yopu would have seen how crouch changed the game when he came on, and suprise suprise England wernt playing long ball.

tAkErPT
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Posted - 2006.07.02 11:02:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: tAkErPT on 02/07/2006 11:03:49
stop whining, Portugal won with justice and fair play.

after the game against holland everybody said that we did many faults and we were agressive and violent!

just check who did more faults and had more cards Rolling Eyes

have to congratulat u for how you played when 10 against 11 but playing good doesn't give u access to the semi's eheheh YARRRR!!

England just got pwnd by Ricardo of doom! Twisted Evil

Portugal ftw!

VAMOS!

Spavin ll
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.07.02 11:13:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 11:12:54
Originally by: tAkErPT
Edited by: tAkErPT on 02/07/2006 11:03:49
stop whining, Portugal won with justice and fair play.


Diving is not fair play, if the diving wasnt there I wouldnt have had a single complaint about that game

Originally by: tAkErPT
Edited by: tAkErPT on 02/07/2006 11:03:49
England just got pwnd by Ricardo of doom! Twisted Evil




Aye Ricardo is good at stopping penalties, he was also helped by Lampards, Gerrards and Carraghers penalties being ****e

cap'n porkchop
Posted - 2006.07.02 11:33:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: tAkErPT
Edited by: tAkErPT on 02/07/2006 11:03:49
stop whining, Portugal won with justice and fair play.



Just an interesting little fact from the official fifa site...who's the naughtiest team in the tournament so far...

Theres a shock, its Portugal....Laughing

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/stats/detail.html?section=tdc


Ordep
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.02 11:56:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Raptornas
Anybody who questions our media's build up of the world cup should just shut up. We have fantastic players easily a match for the portuguese as proven for the fact that we had far...



Well.if you put things like that...i think portuguese team just STFU your press.
We showed we can win with the less faults in a game.

English ego about fottball is bigger then the world.

Blame it on the manager, blame it on the weather..hell, blame the guy that cleaned your bathroom.

You still GOING home.

Get over with it. It´s the 3rd time in a row you loose to Portugal.

tAkErPT
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.02 12:10:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: tAkErPT on 02/07/2006 12:11:44
(ups double post=P)

tAkErPT
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.02 12:11:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: cap'n porkchop
Just an interesting little fact from the official fifa site...who's the naughtiest team in the tournament so far...

Theres a shock, its Portugal....Laughing

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/stats/detail.html?section=tdc




you just didn't get it did ya?ugh
the match ref of portugal - holland was a complete ****** and almost nobody in the game stayed without yellowcards even the referee got a yellowcard from an importante fifa guy... doh

who was the naughtiest in portugal - england? that's what we are talking about =) 2 bad you cant take it. Portugal fairly won =)


Spavin ll
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.07.02 12:25:00 - [137]
 

Edited by: Spavin ll on 02/07/2006 12:31:29
Originally by: Raptornas
Anybody who questions our media's build up of the world cup should just shut up.



Oh please its our press that build the team up beyond all proportions, I could have told you before the tournament it would be quater finals and out, the press is one of the main reasons engalnd get such a bad rep, ffs look at what happend with scolari, for the first time in years we could have got someone who would win up a cup, and the press **** it up (actually it wasn the press it was the sun/daily mail et all who dont deserve to be called press)Most people in Engalnd accept that the press overrate us greatly unfortuantly the vocal minority that seem to swallow it.

Originally by: tAkErPT
Portugal fairly won


Portugal won yes, the desrevd to win because England dint take their chances yes, Ricardo is good at saving penalties yes, however portugal didnt 'fairly' win because there was an unacceptable level of diving/exagerrating/play acting in that game. I honestly though scollari would have pulled his team above that, I guess I was wrongugh.

Mind the diving in this years world cup has been worse than most even though fifa said they wanted to clamp down on it, Italy prehaps being one of the most obvious examples but after the holland game and now the game yeserday portugal are getting dangerously close to the itallian way of playing football, dive your way through a game and hope decesions go your way.

Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
Posted - 2006.07.02 12:31:00 - [138]
 

The press allways build us up.

Harder they fall ect... they don't us any favours.

I think the bigest joke was all the positives sprung about steve mclaren when it came obvious big phil had said no.

They built him up to be some god like figure in football... week before they were slagging him off mindVery Happy

It will all end in tears, bit like yesterday.

Ahh well, there's been a few fun times in the last few weeks.....

Roll on the next oneVery Happy

Watugonnado
Posted - 2006.07.02 12:37:00 - [139]
 

Quote:
ok so if rooney was sent off for a slight push on a portugese player, why wasnt Figo red carded for HEADBUTTING another player?

Given the fact the Ronaldo was up on his feet so quickly after apparently gettign a load of studs right in his crotch, he should have bee carded for diving.

And anyone stating that the ref was unbiased is talking rubbish. (Funny how no one is talking about the fact that the player taking the last penalty for portugal stopped in his run up - which is illegal under the rules of the game)

However this does not excuse Englands poor performance.

There is no killer instinct - the team only ever did just enough to win. They didnt go out with the intention of pounding the opposition into the ground.
Until that changes, we will NEVER win a major tournament.

As ever the media just don't help with the way they behave in the run up to a tournament. its 40 years since we won the world cup. ffs just let it go.

Theres alot of passion in this thread. I just wish we could have seen that on the pitch.


Spot on m8 Very Happy

I havent read all the posts cos this is far to long and i cant be bothered... but...

I have noticed a lot of people have a very anti English point of view... Brazil went out last night and if I see a Brazilian on here who was upset, and maybe even ranting, i would understand... You see, even though France beat them fairly it is only human nature to feel aggrieved and bitter about a loss... Maybe after a few days the hypothetical Brazilian may look at it in a different light, but for now he is p!**ed.

Whenever i see a Englishman having a moan you get these people who cant wait to put the boot in... Why is this?? Lets face it Brazil was hyped up by the media and expected to win but they didn’t play as well as expected. I don’t see anybody ranting about them. Why are people so anti English but not anti... say... Brazilian? Jealous maybe?

As for the game… I think it was ruined by the ref… do I think that’s the refs fault? No… I blame FIFA for being a bunch of pu**ys. Football used to be a mans game but now it is a game for play actors and cheats. You only have to touch a man and the whistle is blown… Run past a player and watch him dive to the floor screaming in agony holding his face… the person who ran past him is sent off and the “injured” player jumps to his feet and carry’s on playing. It’s a joke, I have never seen so many people red/yellow carded in a tournament. What Rooney done may have been wrong but I honestly think a yellow card and a talking to would have been enough.

I am an Englishman who feels robed… I will now be supporting Germany (shock horror) to win the final… They have been totally fantastic hosts who have really looked after all the fans there… good luck Jurgen Wink

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2006.07.02 13:03:00 - [140]
 

Quote:
ok so if rooney was sent off for a slight push on a portugese player, why wasnt Figo red carded for HEADBUTTING another player?


He should have been sent off noone is saying that.

Quote:
Given the fact the Ronaldo was up on his feet so quickly after apparently gettign a load of studs right in his crotch, he should have bee carded for diving.


ShockedYeah maybe roonie didn´t press enough making him esterile?Give me a break...

Quote:
And anyone stating that the ref was unbiased is talking rubbish. (Funny how no one is talking about the fact that the player taking the last penalty for portugal stopped in his run up - which is illegal under the rules of the game)


Yeah rigth the referee did say ricardo were to defend the penaltys..


Quote:
Anybody who questions our media's build up of the world cup should just shut up. We have fantastic players easily a match for the portuguese as proven for the fact that we had far better chances to score even when down to 10 men (Oh how I houled when our boy terry's shot was deflected just over the bar). We in england love our sport, we may not be particularly good at it but we love it and this year I and the nation genuinly thought we had a chance.


Well your media did a wonderfull thing saying crap about Portugal as a team ,now look who is smiling?And i agree that england played good ,in fact they should have begun without beckham.

Quote:
Whenever i see a Englishman having a moan you get these people who cant wait to put the boot in... Why is this?? Lets face it Brazil was hyped up by the media and expected to win but they didn’t play as well as expected. I don’t see anybody ranting about them. Why are people so anti English but not anti... say... Brazilian? Jealous maybe?


Maybe because in germany when some portuguese were partying because of portugal wining ,some english trown rocks at their heads and send them to hospital?

Or maybe because english press was trying to take portugal team name true the dirt?

The question is ENGLAND PLAYED WELL AND YOU LOST TO PENALTYS,the most unfair way to go and you blame it on the coach,the refereee, "diving" ,the weather , because portuguese dive like fish...


Quote:
As for the game… I think it was ruined by the ref… do I think that’s the refs fault? No… I blame FIFA for being a bunch of pu**ys. Football used to be a mans game but now it is a game for play actors and cheats. You only have to touch a man and the whistle is blown… Run past a player and watch him dive to the floor screaming in agony holding his face… the person who ran past him is sent off and the “injured” player jumps to his feet and carry’s on playing. It’s a joke, I have never seen so many people red/yellow carded in a tournament. What Rooney done may have been wrong but I honestly think a yellow card and a talking to would have been enough.


Yeah rigthLaughing,i wonder if england won the match you would be saying that..
Yeah i mean what rooney did was just fooling around ,what he wanted to do was just an act of love...

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I am an Englishman who feels robed… I will now be supporting Germany (shock horror) to win the final… They have been totally fantastic hosts who have really looked after all the fans there… good luck Jurgen Wink


May the best win ,the only thing i ask to portuguese footbal team is to do their best .

Hellraiza666
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.02 13:09:00 - [141]
 

hahahahaha so being pussies and diving, rolling around on floor , holding your head when u aint even been hit makes them deserve winning? hahaha

PS. Portugal played **** except from ricardo, he won it for you, the rest of portugal were beaten by only 10 men Laughing

And lol i hope the ref sends all portugal players of for diving next match and they have to forfeit Laughing

Hellraiza666
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.02 13:14:00 - [142]
 

btw, any1 read the papers?? Rooney says hes going to sort ronaldo out when he gets back to Man U Twisted Evil

I can see it now :
Dead Body Found At Man U Training Ground
Ronaldo has been found dead at man us training ground, there won;t be an investigation because hes a little **** Twisted Evil

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2006.07.02 13:16:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Hellraiza666
hahahahaha so being pussies and diving, rolling around on floor , holding your head when u aint even been hit makes them deserve winning? hahaha

PS. Portugal played **** except from ricardo, he won it for you, the rest of portugal were beaten by only 10 men Laughing

And lol i hope the ref sends all portugal players of for diving next match and they have to forfeit Laughing


LaughingLaughing you go boy :)make us proud.

tAkErPT
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.02 13:23:00 - [144]
 

2 bad some english people can't take a loss =( blame the divers! =) you rule, england rule! but... you're out! Cool
maybe next time u can beat us! it's getting anoying always win against england ehehehVery Happy

Spartan239
Caldari
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
Posted - 2006.07.02 13:32:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: tAkErPT
2 bad some english people can't take a loss =( blame the divers! =) you rule, england rule! but... you're out! Cool
maybe next time u can beat us! it's getting anoying always win against england ehehehVery Happy


Yea espcaly when your win was undeserved

tAkErPT
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.02 13:37:00 - [146]
 

whatever, you won't change your mind neither will i so.. for me we deserved it, for you we didn't.. whatever the truth is that we actually are in the semi's and you aren't ehehe peace Cool

Spavin ll
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.07.02 13:44:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: tAkErPT
2 bad some english people can't take a loss =( blame the divers! =)


I think the majority of people can accept we lost, however the majority cant stomach the diving/play acting of which there is plenty and was in that game and it dragging the reputation of the sport down, try livng in a rugby league area and having everyone accusing you of following "kissball" as it sbecome known round here since the worldcup, most shocking thing being is that atm I agree with them.

Baldour Ngarr
Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.02 13:53:00 - [148]
 

As an Englishman, can I offer a profound apology on behalf of all these idiots who still can't believe it's ever our fault that we lost .. it must have been a biased referee, or a cheating Portuguese, or FIFA's fault for closing the roof, or ....



face facts, guys. We went to a penalty shoot-out, and TWO Portuguese players missed the target completely. How much easier a chance do we want?

If you can't stick the ball in the inside corner of the goal from twelve yards, you simply don't deserve to be paid to play football. Go look at Germany, who haven't missed a penalty for twenty-four years. Pressure? Bullcrap. There's people do their jobs under a hail of gunfire, with the risk of a bomb going off at any time. THAT, is pressure. 50,000 fans screaming at you is completely irrelevant. It doesn't affect the Germans, there's no reason it should affect us.

As for Rooney's red card - I'm not sure whether it was for kicking a guy in the crotch, or for pushing another guy over, or for swearing at the referee. He should've actually got three red cards, one for each. Anyway, I'm guessing FIFA will ban him for pretty much the whole of the next two years, so it won't be a concern.

Watugonnado
Posted - 2006.07.02 14:33:00 - [149]
 

Pesadel0 you are exactly the sort of person i was talking about...

Quote:
Maybe because in germany when some portuguese were partying because of portugal wining ,some english trown rocks at their heads and send them to hospital?

Or maybe because english press was trying to take portugal team name true the dirt?

The question is ENGLAND PLAYED WELL AND YOU LOST TO PENALTYS,the most unfair way to go and you blame it on the coach,the refereee, "diving" ,the weather , because portuguese dive like fish...


Ok 1st part of this comment about English fans throwing rocks...

Please read English fans best in the world

Yes there may have been 1 or 2 incidents but on the whole the england fans had no problems... You think other countrys havent had trouble??

The 2nd part about English press taking portugal through the dirt... Er... did you actually watch the Portugal vs Holand game???

and the 3rd part of the coment

Quote:
The question is ENGLAND PLAYED WELL AND YOU LOST TO PENALTYS,the most unfair way to go and you blame it on the coach,the refereee, "diving" ,the weather , because portuguese dive like fish


So you admit that england played well and Portugal dive like fish?? sounds like its you who is sl*gging them off HAHA


Quote:
Yeah rigth ,i wonder if england won the match you would be saying that..
Yeah i mean what rooney did was just fooling around ,what he wanted to do was just an act of love...


What planet are you on... Of course i would say the same if we won... I and many other have been complaining about the amount of diving and cheating in football for a while now... I was particularly disgusted with the Italian team who seem to have turned it into an art form.

Quote:
May the best win ,the only thing i ask to portuguese footbal team is to do their best .


My point is that a team that Cheats is NOT the best team!!!



Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
Posted - 2006.07.02 14:49:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: Kaeten on 02/07/2006 14:50:58
all this chit chat about rooney getting the red card, hes an excellent player, he needs to control his anger though, you CANNOT argue with the ref.

The red card was a good call, why? As pushing and swearing should not be tolerated when playing football, I know football is more physical than msot people think however that push was uncalled for and had nothing to do with the game...

Another note about football yes people fake n **** ilways gonna happen, only thing to change it is to look at the replay and get the ref some ear comms so he can undo/give cards or free kicks etc.


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