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0August0
Gallente
Gooch Unlimited
Posted - 2006.06.28 18:56:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Orchyre
dev = 3 characters
BOB = 3 characters

Coincidence, I think not.




Hmmmm.

Account = 3 characters.

I think you may have something there...

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.06.28 18:57:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/06/2006 18:57:37
Originally by: 0August0
Originally by: Orchyre
dev = 3 characters
BOB = 3 characters

Coincidence, I think not.




Hmmmm.

Account = 3 characters.

I think you may have something there...

I got it!

All 3 characters on every dev account are in BoB!

James Snowscoran
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.06.28 19:08:00 - [33]
 

Sooo...

the idea is that the devs shouldn't be allowed to copy bms and/or take part in fleet ops because they contribute to server lag?

Doesn't make too much sense to me tbh.

James Snowscoran
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.06.28 19:10:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/06/2006 18:57:37
Originally by: 0August0
Originally by: Orchyre
dev = 3 characters
BOB = 3 characters

Coincidence, I think not.




Hmmmm.

Account = 3 characters.

I think you may have something there...

I got it!

All 3 characters on every dev account are in BoB!


Rainbows are bad mmkay.

Anyways you're completely wrong. Dev accounts have 4 character slots because they're extra cool.

1 Dev character they use to make arrogant posts with on eve-o.
1 BoB main
1 ISS alt
1 MC alt

Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.06.28 19:19:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: James Snowscoran
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/06/2006 18:57:37
Originally by: 0August0
Originally by: Orchyre
dev = 3 characters
BOB = 3 characters

Coincidence, I think not.




Hmmmm.

Account = 3 characters.

I think you may have something there...

I got it!

All 3 characters on every dev account are in BoB!


Rainbows are bad mmkay.

Anyways you're completely wrong. Dev accounts have 4 character slots because they're extra cool.

1 Dev character they use to make arrogant posts with on eve-o.
1 BoB main
1 ISS alt
1 MC alt


So many questions pop up to my mind...

...but above all one question troubles me the most, who's alt am I? Neutral

James Snowscoran
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.06.28 19:23:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Originally by: James Snowscoran
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/06/2006 18:57:37
Originally by: 0August0
Originally by: Orchyre
dev = 3 characters
BOB = 3 characters

Coincidence, I think not.




Hmmmm.

Account = 3 characters.

I think you may have something there...

I got it!

All 3 characters on every dev account are in BoB!


Rainbows are bad mmkay.

Anyways you're completely wrong. Dev accounts have 4 character slots because they're extra cool.

1 Dev character they use to make arrogant posts with on eve-o.
1 BoB main
1 ISS alt
1 MC alt


So many questions pop up to my mind...

...but above all one question troubles me the most, who's alt am I? Neutral


Mine.

Bhaal
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.06.28 19:25:00 - [37]
 

I had a character in the very early stages of the ISS up until a few months ago.

I don't recall any DEV's playing with me...

I didn't suspect any of them were DEV's either, but who knows I guess...

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2006.06.28 19:32:00 - [38]
 

Well i don't think devs would play with their dev char.

Hell i don't care about devs playing eve, i mean it would be a bit silly if they didn't tbh, just as long as they keep their uber dev powers locked in a closet when they do Wink

If u ever happen to pod someone in a big alliance and a day later u log on to find ur char has turned into a 1 day n00b with no isk stuck in Jita, then u will know i guess Laughing

Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.06.28 19:35:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Your argument is silly, because the devs are screwed either way there.

Lets say a dev mines. "OMG CCP FAVORS THE MINERS."

Lets say a dev is a carebear in empire. "OMG CCP FAVORS EMPIRE CAREBEARS!"

And so on. No matter what a dev does, they will be accused of being biased towards that. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.


Your argument is silly. The clear solution is for them not to play.

I actually don't mind dev's playing too much. They don't resolve disputes...but GM's...

HippoKing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.06.28 19:38:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: HippoKing on 28/06/2006 19:38:15
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/06/2006 18:57:37
Originally by: 0August0
Originally by: Orchyre
dev = 3 characters
BOB = 3 characters

Coincidence, I think not.




Hmmmm.

Account = 3 characters.

I think you may have something there...

I got it!

All 3 characters on every dev account are in BoB!


Not only that. Every dev has 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 eyes and 2 *********.

As you said, 3 letters in dev and in BoB.

23 Shocked

Kyreax
Gallente
Neuronix
Posted - 2006.06.28 19:48:00 - [41]
 

So, how big are these fleet battles, exactly? 100 ships? more ? I've never been in one.

So, server lag is an issue, there should be a server or ten just for fleet battles.

I wonder if CCP moved all the servers to London because all the heat from the computers was melting Iceland?

Havelcek
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.06.28 19:56:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Kyreax
So, how big are these fleet battles, exactly? 100 ships? more ? I've never been in one.

So, server lag is an issue, there should be a server or ten just for fleet battles.

I wonder if CCP moved all the servers to London because all the heat from the computers was melting Iceland?


The last two Saturdays we had been 200 and 300 players online, active, and undocked in a single system. I'm sure this was repeated in a dozen other systems across the universe...look at the thread about Goon & D2 in the Corp forum or MC's threads about TBB last month.

ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2006.06.28 20:08:00 - [43]
 

Dynamic load balancing or bust!

Right now if you do a big-ish battle in a system that usualy has very little traffic, it's worse than what it was 2 years ago.

Tremain
Posted - 2006.06.28 20:34:00 - [44]
 

I doubt very much Eve could do it without

a) unrealistic hardware costs or

b) massive instancing


Explanation:
a) is a matter of a server for every system, they are very powerful servers and can handle fleet battles - if that is all they are doing.

b) massive instancing; you put these battles into instances, which can be spawned on quiet (or empty) servers.

I doubt you will ever see the kind of dynamic load balancing that would be needed to ensure where-ever a fleet engaged was capable of supporting it.

Can CCP devs change the game so it can be semi-dynamically load balanced? Or create a whole new paradigm for managing the game world - who knows, I'd like it.

My opinion is gates cause the problem.

Get rid of gates, you fly system to system like in Elite. Say it takes an hour to fly from Amarr to Jita - and you can be intercepted (by fast warping interceptors coming from systems you pass by).

You can then use servers to manage the travelling ships (deal with interception) and servers instanced for the engagement.

But thats a whole new game.


Acwron
Posted - 2006.06.28 21:01:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Acwron on 28/06/2006 21:01:36
Originally by: ElCoCo
Dynamic load balancing or bust!

Right now if you do a big-ish battle in a system that usualy has very little traffic, it's worse than what it was 2 years ago.


It's still horrible in XZH though it usually a busy system and there has been a huge blob since days...

5 Mins to commence warp, seeing nothing in space, 15 mins to log in... Is this how Siege Warfare should look like in EVE?

But since it wasn't much different in AZN late 2005 so no big surprise...

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.06.28 21:09:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: HippoKing
Edited by: HippoKing on 28/06/2006 19:38:15
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/06/2006 18:57:37
Originally by: 0August0
Originally by: Orchyre
dev = 3 characters
BOB = 3 characters

Coincidence, I think not.




Hmmmm.

Account = 3 characters.

I think you may have something there...

I got it!

All 3 characters on every dev account are in BoB!


Not only that. Every dev has 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 eyes and 2 *********.

As you said, 3 letters in dev and in BoB.

23 Shocked


Looks like we're halfway to a Dan Brown novel!

ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2006.06.28 21:21:00 - [47]
 

Oh and one thing.

It's pretty clear that most people got better PC's and connections than 3years ago so please let that argument go.

iqplayer
Caldari
Dragon's Rage
Posted - 2006.06.28 21:38:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Your argument is silly, because the devs are screwed either way there.

Lets say a dev mines. "OMG CCP FAVORS THE MINERS."

Lets say a dev is a carebear in empire. "OMG CCP FAVORS EMPIRE CAREBEARS!"

And so on. No matter what a dev does, they will be accused of being biased towards that. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.


Your argument is silly. The clear solution is for them not to play.

I actually don't mind dev's playing too much. They don't resolve disputes...but GM's...


Which would then lead to everyone whining about how the Dev's don't know what's wrong with the game, since they didn't play :D

Lianhaun
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.06.28 21:53:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: HippoKing
Edited by: HippoKing on 28/06/2006 19:38:15
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/06/2006 18:57:37
Originally by: 0August0
Originally by: Orchyre
dev = 3 characters
BOB = 3 characters

Coincidence, I think not.




Hmmmm.

Account = 3 characters.

I think you may have something there...

I got it!

All 3 characters on every dev account are in BoB!


Not only that. Every dev has 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 eyes and 2 *********.

As you said, 3 letters in dev and in BoB.

23 Shocked


Looks like we're halfway to a Dan Brown novel!



All we need now is a plot twist and a chase.

James Snowscoran
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.06.29 00:07:00 - [50]
 

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Dhin Xar
Posted - 2006.06.29 00:56:00 - [51]
 

The servers need to be able to dynamically reinforce specific areas. Really, fighting shouldn't be limited to predefined "low-lag" areas or in situations where an alliance recieves developer assistance.

Lygos
Amarr
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2006.06.29 01:04:00 - [52]
 

Fleet consternation would be a handy use for volunteer GMs.

They could post in local about 2 pilots that need to be rescued/killed. The 2 pilots could be on opposite sides of a massive fleet built-ups, especially if GMs gather prior intel.

This way, the fleets have to go through one another to claim the prize, and only one can win.. so insta resolution of massive fleet buildups.

If they could just spawn GM content team member everytime more than 60ppl showed up in two neighboring systems, then problem averted. Personnel resources would be high though. Maybe they could use an npc script. They could dish out docking rights at an npc station or something.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.06.29 01:05:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Dhin Xar
The servers need to be able to dynamically reinforce specific areas. Really, fighting shouldn't be limited to predefined "low-lag" areas or in situations where an alliance recieves developer assistance.

More than one server cannot be assigned to a single star system at the same time. Each star system is on a maximum of one server.

In addition, under the current system, the load balancing can only be changed during downtime: if they changed it while the game was running, everyone in the affected systems would have to reconnect, IIRC.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2006.06.29 02:11:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 29/06/2006 02:12:04
Originally by: Splagada
i want to see or be part of a fleet battle :(

Enjoy

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Infinity Ziona

Drug Mule
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.06.29 02:42:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Drug Mule on 29/06/2006 02:45:25
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Your argument is silly, because the devs are screwed either way there.

Lets say a dev mines. "OMG CCP FAVORS THE MINERS."

Lets say a dev is a carebear in empire. "OMG CCP FAVORS EMPIRE CAREBEARS!"

And so on. No matter what a dev does, they will be accused of being biased towards that. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.


Your argument is silly. The clear solution is for them not to play.

I actually don't mind dev's playing too much. They don't resolve disputes...but GM's...


How do you expect them to understand the game and handle petitions without playing.Rolling Eyes

Audri Fisher
Caldari
Burning Bush Enterprises
Posted - 2006.06.29 05:30:00 - [56]
 

NO, only in small alliances Twisted Evil

fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2006.06.29 05:32:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Redundancy

If I had 1 isk for every time people post conjecture about us playing on TQ, I'd give you that isk.


How about some official communication about this?

You guys might think its redundant but we actually like know stuff about Eve that matters. Dev blogs are nice but we'd like know even more.

Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.06.29 06:24:00 - [58]
 

As far as I know, CCP employees have a work account for their Dev / GM /ISS etc. character which has leet skills and powers for use on naughty people or for helping out those who have encountered a bug / problem. Any character they chose to play EVE with as a player instead of as an employee would be a seperate account (although they may get a staff discount or even free account), which has exactly the same limitations and constraints as everyone elses. Use of special CCP powers to achieve their own ends as a player char would be frowned upon (and as Pirluit said would ruin the fun part of playing). Due to the nature of seperate accounts it would be impossible to verify if a char belonged to a ccp employee or a member of the game playing public anyway. Any character could claim to be a Dev etc's alt and there would be no way to prove or disprove that statement

Akkarin

TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
Posted - 2006.06.29 08:05:00 - [59]
 

There is a valid point in question as well, especially when it comes to petition responses.

All it takes is one person That doesn't like your character or dissapporves of your corp actions, and Blammo, instantly they make sure that you or your corp never get a decent resolution ever again.

The biggest problem is that theres no way to stop it.



fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2006.06.29 08:07:00 - [60]
 

As a dev/gm you have ultimate knowledge of the game. And you get to look at certain petitions or bug reports which holds information about tactics, setups and other knowledge you can use in your advantage.
When you're playing for fun you can't turn off that knowledge.
Then again there are some freaks who play that much they even know all the bugs workarounds and even exploits. And pherhaps more than a dev/gm.

I'd rather would like to see them as event players and they will entertain themselves as well as the regular players.
Why not be some officer at a 10/10 complex to give people a hard time?
The crazy jovian general was hoot. Serpentis dread story as well.


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