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Hanse Davion
Jane's Clone Emporium
Posted - 2007.06.12 15:22:00 - [91]

Sigh, you know the sad part is that right now I got 10 BPO's doing ME50 research. Crap just going to ME20 I could have gone thru most of my BPO's in the time it's going to take me to wait for those 10 to finish.

QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2007.06.12 16:40:00 - [92]

Edited by: Pwett on 12/06/2007 16:39:41
Originally by: Talkie Toaster
Edited by: Talkie Toaster on 12/06/2007 12:56:41
ok i THINK this is the right formula for ME that will work in excel



x = Your PE lvl
Y = BPs ME lvl
Z = Base minerals

im working on my own ME spreadsheet that will show the mins needed at differnt ME's ona chart so as to be easily visible.

That would work at PE 5, but you don't want to multiply your PE waste with your ME waste, rather they add togeher. You're also missing out on two important rounds, so your numbers could be off by two in either direction.

It works like this:

PE WASTE: round(Z * (0.25 - (.05 * X)))
ME WASTE: round(Z * (baseWasteFactor / (Y + 1))) (note that base waste factor isn't 10% on a few things - drones, probes, etc)

If rounding isn't important:
Requirements = Z + ME WASTE + PE WASTE -or-
Z + (Z * (0.25 - (.05 * X))) + (Z * (0.10 / (Y + 1)))

Your single formula would be (basically just a miss-sign from the yours)
Z(1 + (0.25 - (.05 * X))) + (0.10 / (Y + 1))

Talkie Toaster
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
Posted - 2007.06.12 17:17:00 - [93]

ah ok, well i looked at that, and then looked at it again. but my eyes are still all misty from failing to understand it lol.

all i know is that my spread sheet is complete. with the formula i have used i can put in that something uses 4million trit, get the sum that ME 800,000 is perfect, plug 800,000 in as the BPO ME level and get out the result that i need 4million trit to build at that perfect ME.

it may be inaccurate to a point, but all i am really manufacturing like ammo and shizzle so its just to give me a rough guide hehe.

Posted - 2007.06.13 17:09:00 - [94]

Fantastic... Good Job and great link to the xcel speedsheet!

Posted - 2007.07.12 11:29:00 - [95]

Any idea how to make these calculations work with negative ME ?

Ive been trying to figure it out, so far with no success.

BSX Industries
Inver Brass
Posted - 2007.07.12 12:58:00 - [96]

I think I figured out the negative ML equation.

Following calculation does not take PE into account, I dont know how PE waste works with t2 bpcs, and considering pretty much noone will do invention without PE5, I'll let it rest.

The regular (positive) ML is calculated as previously stated as:

Y = BPs ML lvl
Z = Base minerals

Positive ML WASTE: round(Z * (baseWasteFactor / (Y + 1)))

this is true for ML 0 and above.

For negative ML, the Y factor is 0 while the base waste factor is multiplied by absolute ML value + 1.

Negative ML WASTE: round(Z * (baseWasteFactor * (1+abs(Y)))

We can skip divide by one as it doesnt change result.

Complete and universal equation would be (please note this is not in any particular programming language :) )

ML WASTE: round(Z* (baseWasteFactor * iif(Y<0;1+abs(Y);1))/(1+iif(Y<0;0;Y)))

Any comments welcome, I havent tested it thoroughly, but so far works on couple BPCs I checked.

Jurgen Cartis
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Posted - 2007.07.25 09:44:00 - [97]

Bump for an excellent guide, this should not be languishing on page 7.

Deserves some glue tbh.

Romar Leonsbane
Posted - 2007.08.20 04:31:00 - [98]

This IS the bible for cost effective manufacturing.
Definitely deserves some glue!!
Kudos!! Very Happy

Kambiri Zoltana
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2007.08.21 23:00:00 - [99]

bumpity bump. Sticky this one ccp

Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.10.03 14:18:00 - [100]

6 months of making stuff and i find out now!

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