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Arthur McFredric
Caldari
Polaris Project
Posted - 2006.06.06 09:04:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Arthur McFredric on 22/06/2006 11:49:28
Edited by: Arthur McFredric on 06/06/2006 09:04:30
I`m several months old, but I feel that sticking to a cruiser until the proper skills for a BS is in place. I`ve used the caracal most of the game and come to like it very well. I`ve finally gotten some OK fitting skills and are playing around in quickfit to see what will do.

Please flame / come with suggestions to my setup?
(Sansha rats)

High:
5 x Arbalest heavy

Mid:
Med shieldbooster II
Large shield extender II
EM passive hardener
Cap recharge II
Cap recharge II

Low:
PDU
BCU II

Dronebay:
1 Hammerhead I

Very Happy

EDIT: Alternate setup added:

5 Arbalest Heavy

3 active EM hardeners
1 active Thermal hardeners
Small shieldbooster

BCU II
Nano

2 Acolyte II

also with good results, as i try and stay @ my range only the EM cruise missiles really hit me.

General Apocalypse
Amarr
Ship Research
Posted - 2006.06.06 10:11:00 - [2]
 

Arti get a Ferox just like evreyone else Very Happy

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Groes Thir
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.06.06 10:15:00 - [3]
 

Sell those cap charger II's and buy a battlecruiser & fit.

Arthur McFredric
Caldari
Polaris Project
Posted - 2006.06.06 10:21:00 - [4]
 

Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range...

In my cara i get 75km, in the ferox, what? 45-50?
Also the ferox has a huge sig, so the NPC BS really bbq me...

Not so many weeks left before i can fit a T2 Raven anyway Very Happy

I just like to mod the caracal... incredibly powerful!

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.06.06 10:23:00 - [5]
 

You may not be able to break some harder BS tanks with that... you might want to try sniping at range and using more BCS.

I'm addicted to shield extended Caracals, but this may not be a place where you want to use one.

Groes Thir
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.06.06 10:24:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Arthur McFredric
Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range...

In my cara i get 75km, in the ferox, what? 45-50?
Also the ferox has a huge sig, so the NPC BS really bbq me...

Not so many weeks left before i can fit a T2 Raven anyway Very Happy

I just like to mod the caracal... incredibly powerful!


Those cap charger II's are way too expensive, use eutetics.

Wait for the raven, its worth it Wink

Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.06.06 10:25:00 - [7]
 

very very wise not wasting your ISK on a BS until you can fly it properly.

get a ferox, use the 5xHML/2x250mm config/3xhdner/2xBCS/2xPDS config that everyone fits :)

/k

Testy Mctest
Posted - 2006.06.06 10:31:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Arthur McFredric
Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4.


I did all my Cycloning with BC 2. You really dont need good skills to rat. A well setup Ferox would be a lot better - as someone says, it would be cheaper than that Caracal too if that's an issue.

Arthur McFredric
Caldari
Polaris Project
Posted - 2006.06.06 10:35:00 - [9]
 

Thanks for the good replies people!
I can kill a double 950k BS spawn with that setup, sometimes i use an alt in a comorant with 150mms and antimatter to speed things up a bitVery Happy

Also, in the area I operate, there is lots of pirates so sniping 80-100 from belt is a real advantageTwisted Evil


Lynkon Lawg
Caldari
Second Six Corporation
Posted - 2006.06.06 14:37:00 - [10]
 

Forgive me if this is obvious, as I am still fairly new...but why the two cap recharge?

I fly the caracal and ferox (w/missles) as well, and the only thing I see in your config that is using any cap at all is the shield booster?

Does it suck that much energy that it needs the recharges?

zwerg
Macabre Votum
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.06.06 14:40:00 - [11]
 

caracal is a nice ship your, but your fitting just sucks

Arthur McFredric
Caldari
Polaris Project
Posted - 2006.06.06 15:00:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: zwerg
caracal is a nice ship your, but your fitting just sucks


Do elaborate? Very Happy

Lynkon Lawg
Caldari
Second Six Corporation
Posted - 2006.06.07 00:13:00 - [13]
 

I'm bouncing this message back up because I really want to know why the cap rechargers!

K1AL
Posted - 2006.06.07 05:25:00 - [14]
 

the cap rechargers would help run the sheild booster

i run something similar
High:
5 x T2 heavy launchers with thunderbolts

Mid:
YS-8 AB
Med shieldbooster T2
2xanointed EM hardener
T2 sensor booster

Low:
PDU T2
BCU T2

spam at 80-100km to tidy, AB in on the last BS orbit at 40km and then scoop loot.

ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
Pulsar Nebulah
Army of Lovers.
Posted - 2006.06.07 08:11:00 - [15]
 

Switch Cap Rechargers II for shield hardeners (choose proper type for rats). Even tech1 will do better than CR2 here.

Novarei
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.06.07 08:41:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Novarei on 07/06/2006 08:45:36
Quote:
Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range...
I dont want to be harsh, but thats only because you're in a caracal, and a badly fitted one at that. Also BC to just lvl 3 will take you in the hours, BC 3 is enough for your ferox to make a mockery of the caracal in 0.0 ratting.

But if you're dead set on sticking with the caracal then;

HIGH: 5x XR3200 (bang for your buck is better than arbies)
MED: 1x EM hardner, 2x Rat specific hardners, 1x Large Shield Extender II, 1x T2 med shield booster
LOW: 1x BCU II, 1x PDU II

Thats what i run when npcing in caracal, some might say that 2x BCU II would be better in lows, but i'm not sure on the CPU use for that or if it will fit (at work so cant check in game or quickfit)

Arthur McFredric
Caldari
Polaris Project
Posted - 2006.06.08 09:51:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Novarei
Edited by: Novarei on 07/06/2006 08:45:36
Quote:
Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range...
I dont want to be harsh, but thats only because you're in a caracal, and a badly fitted one at that. Also BC to just lvl 3 will take you in the hours, BC 3 is enough for your ferox to make a mockery of the caracal in 0.0 ratting.

But if you're dead set on sticking with the caracal then;

HIGH: 5x XR3200 (bang for your buck is better than arbies)
MED: 1x EM hardner, 2x Rat specific hardners, 1x Large Shield Extender II, 1x T2 med shield booster
LOW: 1x BCU II, 1x PDU II

Thats what i run when npcing in caracal, some might say that 2x BCU II would be better in lows, but i'm not sure on the CPU use for that or if it will fit (at work so cant check in game or quickfit)


How can you even get one cycle on the SB with all those Hardeners turned on?

The T2 cap recharge lets me run the SB almost twice as long

Shandling
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2006.06.08 10:07:00 - [18]
 

I 0.0'd in a Caracal for a while. Could fairly easily take down 800k-1mil+ spawns. It would take kiting w/ an AB sometimes (setting maximum range to your.. well.. maximum range) and a bit of warping in and out. Kill cruisers, warp out. Kill BS, warp out. Kill other BS, done.

Cheap and kind of effective... but for ratting, get into a Raven ASAP. ;)

Dapha
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
Posted - 2006.06.08 20:18:00 - [19]
 

Highs:
5x Heavy Missle launchers II (named is you dont have the skills)

Mids:
1x Med shield boost II
1x Shield Amp
2x Invunerablity Shields II
or drop one and put on a 10mn aftburner
1x Med cap injector (the mids kill your cap pretty fast)

Lows:
2x PDU (II's if you really care about the boost bonus in pve - but not really worth it to kill rats)

I love the Caracal but I have to agree with most people above - a Ferox would be a better choice, if you get a good size BS/frig spawn you may get torn apart pretty quick. Try it out anyways see how it works for you.

Baalic
Posted - 2006.06.08 23:26:00 - [20]
 

I agree that your setup is terrible.

Re: Sansha rats

Your ship gets a bonus to kinetic damage. Sanshas have high kinetic resists. You would be much better off hunting something with low kinetic resists like Serpentis.

Sanshas do EM and Thermal damage. Shields two worst resists are EM and Thermal and you are shield tanking against them. Consider armor tanking or finding rats which do Explostive and Kinetic damage.

Re: Cap recharge II x2

Your shield booster II repairs about 30 damage per second. Your passive regen is up to 10 per second.

Your cap rechargers are increasing your cap recharge by 36% which in turn allows you to repair 36% more damage with your booster before you run out of power. If you put in 1 EM and 1 Thermal hardener you would take 1/2 as much damage meaning you would need to repair half as much damage. This also doubles the effectiveness of your passive regen which continues even after you are out of cap. Hardeners are clearly better.

Re: Hammerhead
Hammerhead does thermal damage, Sanshas lowest resist is EM. You should be using an Infiltrator.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.06.09 00:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Arthur McFredric
Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range...

In my cara i get 75km, in the ferox, what? 45-50?
Also the ferox has a huge sig, so the NPC BS really bbq me...

Not so many weeks left before i can fit a T2 Raven anyway Very Happy

I just like to mod the caracal... incredibly powerful!



My Ferox can hit 80km with heavies, but my caracal can hit 100km.Cool

A Caracal with t2 heavy launchers and some BCUs will outdamage a ferox, or be damn close to out dpsing a missile ferox, and you'll be more agile.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.06.09 00:12:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Arthur McFredric
Originally by: Novarei
Edited by: Novarei on 07/06/2006 08:45:36
Quote:
Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range...
I dont want to be harsh, but thats only because you're in a caracal, and a badly fitted one at that. Also BC to just lvl 3 will take you in the hours, BC 3 is enough for your ferox to make a mockery of the caracal in 0.0 ratting.

But if you're dead set on sticking with the caracal then;

HIGH: 5x XR3200 (bang for your buck is better than arbies)
MED: 1x EM hardner, 2x Rat specific hardners, 1x Large Shield Extender II, 1x T2 med shield booster
LOW: 1x BCU II, 1x PDU II

Thats what i run when npcing in caracal, some might say that 2x BCU II would be better in lows, but i'm not sure on the CPU use for that or if it will fit (at work so cant check in game or quickfit)


How can you even get one cycle on the SB with all those Hardeners turned on?

The T2 cap recharge lets me run the SB almost twice as long


With 50% hardeners, you'd run the booster half as much, maybe less.

You get 2x em, 1x therm for tanking laser NPCs and your booster usage will go way the hell down.

My Ferox setup though, if you go Ferox:

x5 Heavy T2
x2 200mm carbine rail

3x large shield extender II
2x hardener, usually kin/therm, but can drop an extender for 3rd hardener if need be.

x2 bcu II
x2 shield relay

5x light drones


Takes any lvl 3 like a joke, and some level 4s. Can kill the duo of death lvl 4 npcs without any realy problem, and ofcourse there are implants to help.

You will be able to fit most of what I listed by the time you have proper BS skills.

Eternal Fury
Rage of Inferno
Posted - 2006.06.09 00:22:00 - [23]
 

For 800k Rat Spawns..

5 heavy launchers.
1 AB(best you can)
1 Cap booster(Best you can)
2 nano's.

Orbit at your max range. Pound them from there. Keep your transversal up. That's the important thing.

Don't use Sheild extenders. As nice as they are, each one increases your sig radius.

Take our Frigates/cruisers first. They can move fast enough to get inside your orbit range. Then pound on teh BS's. I can break 800K ones, but not 950K ones.. :)

Arthur McFredric
Caldari
Polaris Project
Posted - 2006.06.22 11:51:00 - [24]
 

Yesterday, I broke 2 x 950 and 3 x 225 cruisers in the same belt with that last setup.
No warping out.

Those Acolytes really help chewing thru those fast cruisersVery Happy

Grainsalt
Lorentzian Traversable Corporation
Posted - 2006.06.22 12:18:00 - [25]
 

My own ratting AND PvP (fleet) 0.0 caracal is similar... This is my Tesco's Value version that I built from loot.

High: 5 x Arby Heavies (or XR's)
Mid: 1 x Azetropic Large Shield Extender
1 x Medium Shield Booster (c5-l)
2 x Passive Hardeners
1 x Barton CAP Recharger
Low: 2 x BCs

Means I can take a lot of damage and tank a few BS's.



zoondab
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
Posted - 2006.06.23 19:10:00 - [26]
 

Why not just buy a Raven? It is easier and quicker. Ratting will allow it to pay for itself very quickly and you dont need a lot of skills. Use it to make ISK while you train up the "proper skills for a BS"

ChaosCow PSA
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
Posted - 2006.06.23 20:24:00 - [27]
 

I ratted long enough in my caracal taking on every spawn i came across except for the 1.7 grand admirals becuase they just take way too long to break their tank but i've done it a few times. here's the cheap set up i used.

5 malkuth heavy missile launchers (scourge missiles)
Med shield booster named, afterburner, thermal hardener, sensor booster. I actually had a dif set up with a large shield extender as well, but i dont remember what i did for that.

2 bcu' in the lows



I ratted forever with this out in fountain and it worked great. I earned enough for a cerberus back when they were 195m the day b4 they jumped to 250 and up. Cerb worx great for ratting out in 0.0 as well, but nothing for caldari is better than the raven with siege missile launchers!

Arkanjuca
D00M.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2006.06.24 11:23:00 - [28]
 

Sure, but in fountain we get serpentis as npc, thats ok as they have poor kin resist and does thermal/kin as dmg.

This guy up there is fighting sanshas Shocked

AshFighter
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.08 16:13:00 - [29]
 

What is PDU and CPU or that low slots, cuz im new and im trying to fit Embarassed

Silas Genovese
Perkone
Posted - 2006.07.09 10:47:00 - [30]
 

PDU (should be PDS) = Power Diagnostic Unit (system)
BCU/S = Ballistic Control Unit (system)


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