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Kalhan
Amarr
Omega Engineering Inc.
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2003.09.19 22:33:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Kalhan on 19/09/2003 23:01:27
Their is a traitor amoung us. He consorts with the enemy gives tips. Trades and helps them learn to battle. I have first hand seen him with the Minmatar Pirate Viqer Fell and his henchman Tyto at one of their bases.

Many a times I see him come onto the summit and boost over his Minmatar kills and his tactics (which he then shares with them).

He is Cold Lazarus. See for yourself.
PFM Crimes

The tries to save his rep but as you can read he doesn't do a very good job.

annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2003.09.19 22:35:00 - [2]
 

Try to make a link that works first please. Then judgement can be passed on the validity of your acusations.

annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2003.09.19 22:49:00 - [3]
 

I have found the link and i shall comment as i did in Crime and Punishment:

I have witnessed with mine own eyes the bravery of cold, and i have found himself and his corp to be beyond reproach. I have witnessed the death of minmatar terrorists at his hands. He has my respect. He is Amarr.
My falicitations Cold to you and your corp.
Peace be with you.

cold lazarus
Amarr
Z0MBIELAND
No Kings
Posted - 2003.09.19 23:01:00 - [4]
 

Kalhan you lie worse than you fight. i find it strange you have not hired someone else to do your talking as you hire merceneries to do your fighting.
you have yet to declair war upon us for these alagations but here you are trying to sway opinion in your favour.

cold lazarus
Amarr
Z0MBIELAND
No Kings
Posted - 2003.09.19 23:06:00 - [5]
 

Quote:
I have found the link and i shall comment as i did in Crime and Punishment:

I have witnessed with mine own eyes the bravery of cold, and i have found himself and his corp to be beyond reproach. I have witnessed the death of minmatar terrorists at his hands. He has my respect. He is Amarr.
My falicitations Cold to you and your corp.
Peace be with you.


Thank you annoing your words ease my soul.
That Amarr should shed blood with Amarr is gauling to me. but my honour must be defended and defend it i will.

Kalhan
Amarr
Omega Engineering Inc.
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2003.09.19 23:08:00 - [6]
 

I have no intention of swaying anyone. For care not what the other think. I am stating fact.


Do You Deny that you where at one of their stongholds discussing your tactic of splash DMG on a Station.

Do You Deny that during this meeting you were not fighting or killing these leaders of the murderous hate group PFM, but chatting with them in their stonghold.

Do You Deny that PFM considers you a friend. And though you may have killed other Minmatars you don't have them as Enemies.

Do you Deny that at this meeting you even met with Oracle.

cold lazarus
Amarr
Z0MBIELAND
No Kings
Posted - 2003.09.19 23:16:00 - [7]
 

I have no intention of swaying anyone. For care not what the other think. I am stating fact.


Do You Deny that you where at one of their stongholds discussing your tactic of splash DMG on a Station.

No... i was defending my tactic that destroyed three of their ships

Do You Deny that during this meeting you were not fighting or killing these leaders of the murderous hate group PFM, but chatting with them in their stonghold.
no... i do not pod kill anyone who know me knows this. i chat with all even you in local.

Do You Deny that PFM considers you a friend. And though you may have killed other Minmatars you don't have them as Enemies.

i dont know i have personaly destroyed 7 of their ships if that makes us friends then i am guilty

Do you Deny that at this meeting you even met with Oracle.
no Acwron was chaishing me in his tempest battleship after a battle at amarr

is there anything else you would like to ask ?

Light Kominski
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Posted - 2003.09.19 23:26:00 - [8]
 

mmm.... Cold is one of the strongest supporters of our Empire and holds my deepest respects.

With regards to the corps we are at war with, we also respect them as the fighters they are. It is just a shame they do not accept our rule. We are their masters and one day they will finally learn this.

But as I said we do respect them as fighters and find them worthy opponents. We are a fair corp and show respect where it is due.

To deny your opponent respect breeds over confidence and ultimately your downfall.

Personally I see nothing wrong with discussing tactics (such as how the battle went). Or even offering compensation when there has been a misundertsanding... What Cold has shown is mercy and a willingness to accept the Minmatar back into our fold.

Also on another personal note... Kalhan you spend too much time talking and not enough time converting the Minmatar. If you wish to see how we fight you are going the right way about it by doubting our honour. If you feel so strongly declare war on us... but that would be the decision of a fool as it takes away resources which we put on the line defending the Empire. I wish I could say the same for you....

Jobe Katarn
Amarr
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2003.09.19 23:37:00 - [9]
 

Just to echo what light kominski said, Cold lazarus has my total and utter respect.

I would suggest you ,Kalhan, go and make feeble attempts to stir up trouble somewhere else.

Tyto
Minmatar
Ardua Astra
Posted - 2003.09.19 23:40:00 - [10]
 

Quote:
I have no intention of swaying anyone. For care not what the other think. I am stating fact.

Do You Deny that you where at one of their stongholds discussing your tactic of splash DMG on a Station.

No... i was defending my tactic that destroyed three of their ships


True, we were giving quite a bit of grief as has been seen in another thread "cheat or tactics" I believe.

Quote:

Do You Deny that during this meeting you were not fighting or killing these leaders of the murderous hate group PFM, but chatting with them in their stonghold.


Ok was this right after we lost two cruisers and a frigate? You know Kahlan, just because we respect another player, even an enemy, it does not mean we are not rivals when it comes down to it. We have had many encounters with Cold and his Corp, each of them enjoyable even when we lost ships. You know why? Because he is honorable and able to hold a conversation. Even tonight they were chasing a few of us out of Amarr.

Quote:


Do You Deny that PFM considers you a friend. And though you may have killed other Minmatars you don't have them as Enemies.

i dont know i have personaly destroyed 7 of their ships if that makes us friends then i am guilty




Does an active declaration of war count as enemies? I think friend is too strong a word. Mutual respect would be more appropriate. We give and receive no favours from the Bringers and do not expect them. I think the respect comes from us trapping and attempting to destroy his Apoc with a frigate and a cruiser, and from our side the excellent RP we get from our encounters.

Quote:


Do you Deny that at this meeting you even met with Oracle.



Dear oh dear.

I am once again amazed. We have lost more ships to the Bringers of Hope than to any other Corp. If I remember correctly I don't think we have managed to destroy a single one of theirs (hmmm, Battle Roach maybe?) but we give it our best when we can bring the fight to them.

Any enemy we fight I respect. Like all hunters I respect my prey. When the prey has the ability to bite back, treat them with more respect. The Bringers are excellent role players and give us a great deal of fun to play against. Sadly the Space Angels are just a pain in the neck. If you could role play half as well, and give us fights half as interesting we'd even like you too. Once again I wonder what you would do if it wasn't for the PFM in your life Kalhan, and you know, it makes me kind of proud to have had such an impact on you.

Amarrians! Cold Lazarus is a brave ambassador for your cause. He is no traitor. He will however get podded by us the minute we can get a lock on him when we are hunting him (it's nothing personal you understand).

Kahlan, if you keep upsetting people the way you are (random mining of systems, random accusations of treachery, etc), you'll soon have more enemies than we do. And that's saying something!

Tyto

Kalhan
Amarr
Omega Engineering Inc.
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2003.09.20 00:21:00 - [11]
 

Tyto I don't beive we have had a chance to accually battle. The time when the PFM were together and fighting as a group seem distant and I find them more of a group of solo terrist under a single name. Perhaps this is why your members run, not becuase they are cowereds but because they have no corp support.

As for Cold it would be hard to beleive what he has stated for if I had saved the local comms I could show the summit that it was more then simple respectfull talk.

Viqer Fell
Minmatar
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2003.09.20 00:23:00 - [12]
 

Quote:
Kahlan, if you keep upsetting people the way you are (random mining of systems, random accusations of treachery, etc), you'll soon have more enemies than we do. And that's saying something!


you forgot blatantly lying to add to her methods

Quote:
Also on another personal note... Kalhan you spend too much time talking and not enough time converting the Minmatar. If you wish to see how we fight you are going the right way about it by doubting our honour. If you feel so strongly declare war on us...


She, nor her corp would have the guts to take on your corp light & cold. Kalhan is 5 parts lie, 3 parts bluster and 2 parts full time PFM hater. You'll find the accusations she spouts against cold and the threats she makes against the bringers will vanish as dew in the sun once her bluff is called.

We have had more fun fighting the bringers than many others in this game and i hope that continues.

By the way Kalhan whilst me and cold were busy chatting the other night as you had it, I lost my ship to him whilst being seconds away from killing his. Several weeks ago I almost managed to cost him many tens of millions by disabling his BS so how are we friends exactly? I respect him as an enemy and to be honest must admit enjoy the game when he's around. With you and yours I find the hollow threats you spout above rather typical.

My bet is 1 million isk that you not only do not go to war with the bringers but that you do not kill any of these (as you claim) traitors. Personally I believe they are loyal amarrian subjects, albeit backwards and barbaric, they are honourable warriors to fight against.

Light, cold, I trust you will let me know the truth should kalhan try to claim the isk I have bet above. Personally I'm not holding my breath that she'll declare war on you depsite her empty promises.

Estios
Minmatar
Posted - 2003.09.20 00:44:00 - [13]
 

Well Kalhan , I know you and I hunt Cold and I can safely say he is no friend of ours.

Our dealings with Calamar and PIE are well publicised so I suggest some light reading herein.

annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2003.09.20 00:45:00 - [14]
 

I've just realised something -

All of us in PIE Inc are traitors too. We chat to Oracle in local, compliment each other on a well fought battle, let each other pick up our lost items when we lose a ship, even laugh about the battles and we have hilarious smak talk in local before, during and after each confrontation. Damn, and i thought i was such a good loyal amarr. I must send myself to the vats for these hineous crimes..at once Shocked

Estios
Minmatar
Posted - 2003.09.20 00:52:00 - [15]
 

Given up your ideals Annoing I see , at least I dont need to change my scanning preferences Smile

All consuming PIE (ooc thats a cool B movie film title) , united slavers under one roof.

Sarkos
Minmatar
Posted - 2003.09.20 00:55:00 - [16]
 

It seems Annoing there is a large difference between those that talk a good fight, and those that do fight. I have personnaly been at the receiving end of Colds beams. I respect him as a combatant. I respect him as a tactitian. Heck, I respect him. I have no respect for a whimpering little girl who whould hire people to do her dirty work. My, paying 10 million ISk per corpse is a bit much.

Deny it if you wish, but I have proof.


cold lazarus
Amarr
Z0MBIELAND
No Kings
Posted - 2003.09.20 08:48:00 - [17]
 

Kalhan you have done your work well, although my fellow Amarrians support me and voice their support I fear the seeds of doubt have been sown by your own hand.
I would not blame our heroic allies PIE if they now treat me and mine with less trust I know this is natural. I am in no doubt operations against Oracle will go ahead without our being informed or involved. Although Pie can muster powerful forces against Oracle you can never have too much fire power, this firepower will have been reduced by your insinuations and lies. If PIE lives are lost on operations against Oracle for lack of support or firepower I will hold you personally responsible.
You have sown the seeds of doubt I can now see Oracle and The Peoples Front of Minmatar rubbing their hands with glee. You such an honourable amarrian have single-handedly caused more damage than our valiant enemies have.


annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2003.09.20 12:33:00 - [18]
 

Cold:

I cannot speak for PIE, but I for one will never doubt your honesty and integrity. I will, as ever, consider it an honour to fight alongside you, Kominski or any other from your corp.
Peace be with you, and pain be to your enemy.

Tyto
Minmatar
Ardua Astra
Posted - 2003.09.20 13:21:00 - [19]
 

Quote:
You have sown the seeds of doubt I can now see Oracle and The Peoples Front of Minmatar rubbing their hands with glee.


Speaking for myself, I take no pleasure in seeing an honorable enemy wounded by the idiocy of one embittered PFM hater. Actually in retrospect, I don't think anyone except Kahlan believes what she is saying. Actions as they say speak louder than words.

Is it possible that Kahlan is a Minmatar spy trying to destabilize the Amarrian Empire from the inside? Just a thought.

Tyto
(I believe my own hype)

Tyto
Minmatar
Ardua Astra
Posted - 2003.09.20 13:24:00 - [20]
 

Quote:
Tyto I don't beive we have had a chance to accually battle.


Course we did, you remember that time we blew up your ship? You don't remember? Maybe it's too painful a memory and you're blocking it out.

Tyto
(Kahlan's raison d'etre)

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.09.21 08:49:00 - [21]
 

I have only just got round to reading this thread.

Kalhan - you talk a good but we have yet to see you put your money where your mouth is.

Cold Lazarus on the other hand has put his ships in danger on many occasion either on his own or on join missions with PIE against the Oracle Minmatar terrorists.

You slander here does o one any good least of all your Corp. If you are truly a loyal Amarrian you would join us sometime in our battles with Oracle.

BTW - Cold Lazarus - just so you are aware this has in no way damaged PIE's relationship with you. We may not of informed you of any missions lately as we are currenly in the midst of a weeks ceasefire with Oracle as we pay our respects at the Emperor's passing.

Have no doubt that we will offer you a place at our side when next we tackle the Minmatars...

Acwron
Posted - 2003.09.21 14:51:00 - [22]
 

On behalf of Oracle and minmatars every where I would like you thank you Kalhan. You have done a great service for enslaved Minmatarians everywhere. By weakening Amarrians defenses by accusing a honorable and loyal amarrian, it will make it easier for Oracle to free more slaves. Though, I do find it rather humerous that you are calling him the traitor when it is you who is helping out the Minmatar cause by accusing Cold Lazarus of such false allegations. Keep up the good work Kalhan and if you feel like telling people that PIE is traitorous as well, that would be greatly appreciated Rolling Eyes


cold lazarus
Amarr
Z0MBIELAND
No Kings
Posted - 2003.09.21 15:32:00 - [23]
 

Thank you Hardin for your trust. It seems Kalhan has gone back to the shadows, no more spitting her vile lies to this summit, even tailing her ship out of Amarr failed to get a response from her. I guess her silence is her apology.Very Happy

Kalhan
Amarr
Omega Engineering Inc.
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2003.09.21 21:38:00 - [24]
 

We shall see Cold. I am sitting watching you and recording you chats with Yamatar, Viqer, tyto. Your talks of trading reports and other good with them. Your talks of play fighting with them(putting on a show). I'll bring the evidence here. And when you have forgoten about this and sliped up. You will see me back here.

cold lazarus
Amarr
Z0MBIELAND
No Kings
Posted - 2003.09.21 23:08:00 - [25]
 

Ahh my chats with Yamatar yes I had seen you in the system hiding in station while the Minmatar where raiding Amarrian cargo ships in Amarr itself. Being a loyal amarrians I and Light Kominski went to put an end to Yamater's raids while you cowered in station.
Today I went to pay retribution on TPFOM and was greeted with overwhelming force that proceeded to destroy my prized Snow Whites Delight third rank cruiser. Yamatar and Viqer fought bravely and with honor.
Though they were well prepared and not surprised with my sneak attack on their system....one needs to wonder if you are watching me as closely as you say.....we all know information is given freely by your members on the locations of your enemies.

Tyto
Minmatar
Ardua Astra
Posted - 2003.09.22 01:01:00 - [26]
 

Kalhan's corpse is now in our hangar.

Cold, when we have a spare, we'll let you have it. We needed this one for all the lies she tells about us .

Thought you'd like to know.

Tyto


 

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