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Dust Angel
Harvest System
Posted - 2006.04.28 08:35:00 - [31]
 

Iv seen a lot of domies spank the crap out of teir 2 bses. another teir adds another lattice on the already spiraled web of diversity.

Anal awereness
Posted - 2006.04.28 08:52:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Kel Shek



Gallente. I'm not sure what that one looks like it should be, but I think it could be a cool Rail/missile hybrid, like being able to go 5/3 to either side or half and half. that'd be awsome IMO.


die...

Yarek Balear
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.04.28 08:58:00 - [33]
 

Where has it been said that the addition of another class of battleship (being termed Tier3) is actually more powerful than the existing Tier 1 or Tier2 ships ??? I've seen nothing to confirm this and the only time it's mentioned is in whiney posts like this...

The addition of another level of Battleship with slightly different focus e.g. Caldari rail boat on a par with the Tier1 Geddon would be fine. The Raven would still be the king of the Caldari BS, but there would be more variety and diversity...

I see nothing wrong with that and just because someone thinks the sky will fall down by adding more ships, doesn't make it true... This is a bit like some countries going on earthquake alert during the recent solar eclipse - it was bourne out of baseless fear rather than reasoned argument...

Keep doing what you're doing CCP - a caldari railboat would be nice imo...

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.04.28 09:02:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Kel Shek
Amarr: uhh, no, the Apoc isn't a drone boat, and if you think being able to fit a flight of heavy drones makes it count... uhh. no. I think the concept art we've seen LOOKS like a drone ship, and would be nifty for it to be one. it'd hurry up my training of amarr BS by alot, (training Gallente BS 4 right now... can't fly any other BS's)

Get bent ;)

Seriously. If you want good drone ships, then you DONT train Amarr, you train the race spacialized in drones - Gallente. If CCP was adding a tier ONE battleship and upping the current battleships one tier, THEN an Amarr drone ship would be reasonable.

As it looks now, however, there's no STRONG or DEDICATED armour tanker battleship. The Apoc just has a lot of capacitor, which really doesn't help it with tanking all that much. I'd much rather the Tier 3 Amarrian one was focused on tanking (3/4 mid 8 low and 5% armour resistance bonus).

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Minm, ... ok, I got no clue on the minm one. I have no interest in matar ships except as part of some of the faction ones.

Well, drawing lines from cruisers and frigates they'd be looking at a target painter boat, but that'd cause an outrage because target painters aren't appreciated. However, I think that if the bonus would be potent enough, people would like it like they did when target painters were new (and essentially were better at increasing your tracking than webs were). (This ship might have 8 turrets, grid to comfortably fit a full rack of 1400mms with max skills and +5% rate of fire and +10% target painter range and eff. bonuses)

Other than that, Minmatar has an... alpha strike... ship in Tempest, but there's room for an even more scary alpha striker (7 turrets and +10% damage bonus anyone?)

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Caldari... it looks like a railboat. they don't have a BS railboat. why not add one? whats the harm in diversity?

Seem to stomp on some missguided Caldarian pride that they don't use turrets. Mostly, I think it has to do with their previous turret boats being somewhat less of a hit. Hells, had CCP decided to introduce a new Gallentean drone boat around early Castor, I think the Gallenteans would be real angry, but now a days even the Amarr are pining for drone boats.

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Gallente. I'm not sure what that one looks like it should be, but I think it could be a cool Rail/missile hybrid, like being able to go 5/3 to either side or half and half. that'd be awsome IMO.

Hands off you dirty boy!

Seriously, though, Gallenteans are even less a missile race than are Amarr. I simply cannot understand why people have gotten it in their heads that Gallente are supposed to have some missile/turret hybrids (especially when all missile/turret hybrids have been about as good as a corsette in combat).
Besides that, we've already got a split missile/turret battleship in the Typhoon, and the goal with tier 3 is not to add an improved version of existing battleships.

Drawing direct parallels from a) frigate and b) cruiser as well as c) storyline however, it does make a lot of sense if the Gallentean tier 3 were a sensor dampener ship.
Not that it'd be exciting to fly in fleets (read: "shoot me!" sign), but in smaller gangs a dampener ship would be awesome. The Megathron is the blaster boat, and the devs better make it function as one. Gallente are also focused on skirmish rather than fleet (due to focusing on short range). AS SUCH, a split missile/turret layout isn't inconcievable (sp?), but without bonuses to either system.

I kond of liked the bonus for sensor resolution someone proposed in a different thred. (7 mid 6 low +5% dampener eff. and +20% scan resolution - puts the lock times down to battlecruiser levels) Although it's a rather weak bonus (set) as such - maybe too weak for a tier 3 ship.

Astrum Ludus
Amarr
StateCorp
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2006.04.28 09:07:00 - [35]
 

IF TEH AMAR TEK 3 AINT 8, 8, 8 W/ 32000 GRID N 800 CPU I QUIT TEH GAME FOR REEL DIS TIEM

LWMaverick
Posted - 2006.04.28 09:14:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Astrum Ludus
IF TEH AMAR TEK 3 AINT 8, 8, 8 W/ 32000 GRID N 800 CPU I QUIT TEH GAME FOR REEL DIS TIEM


800 cpu... Bah.. Not enoughWink

CCP Tuxford

Posted - 2006.04.28 10:11:00 - [37]
 

Just to ease your minds then I have this to say about the tier 3 ships. They are only called tier 3 ships that doesn't mean that they will just be better than the other two battleship. In fact tier 2 battleships aren't necessarily better for every situation than tier 1 battleships. In some situations you'd prefer a scorpion over a raven, a dominix over a mega, an arma over an apoc. Typhoon has its own issues which the recent bonus changes should fix.

The key thing is to make it different, not better. Its pretty obvious for me that the Caldari will be a railboat. Saying that its a missile race not a turret race is simply not true. Its just like saying Gallente are drone race not a turret race. Caldari use missiles and railguns like Gallente use drones and blasters. Well they can in reality use both railguns and blasters though.

As for stats that are on them now then they are hardly final and all speculation about them at this point is just that, speculation.

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:26:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Tuxford
Just to ease your minds then I have this to say about the tier 3 ships. They are only called tier 3 ships that doesn't mean that they will just be better than the other two battleship. In fact tier 2 battleships aren't necessarily better for every situation than tier 1 battleships. In some situations you'd prefer a scorpion over a raven, a dominix over a mega, an arma over an apoc. Typhoon has its own issues which the recent bonus changes should fix.

The key thing is to make it different, not better. Its pretty obvious for me that the Caldari will be a railboat. Saying that its a missile race not a turret race is simply not true. Its just like saying Gallente are drone race not a turret race. Caldari use missiles and railguns like Gallente use drones and blasters. Well they can in reality use both railguns and blasters though.

As for stats that are on them now then they are hardly final and all speculation about them at this point is just that, speculation.


Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon

Aeon Valerii
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:28:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Tuxford
Just to ease your minds then I have this to say about the tier 3 ships. They are only called tier 3 ships that doesn't mean that they will just be better than the other two battleship. In fact tier 2 battleships aren't necessarily better for every situation than tier 1 battleships. In some situations you'd prefer a scorpion over a raven, a dominix over a mega, an arma over an apoc. Typhoon has its own issues which the recent bonus changes should fix.

The key thing is to make it different, not better. Its pretty obvious for me that the Caldari will be a railboat. Saying that its a missile race not a turret race is simply not true. Its just like saying Gallente are drone race not a turret race. Caldari use missiles and railguns like Gallente use drones and blasters. Well they can in reality use both railguns and blasters though.

As for stats that are on them now then they are hardly final and all speculation about them at this point is just that, speculation.


I wub you. Wink

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:29:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: Kel Shek


Seriously, though, Gallenteans are even less a missile race than are Amarr. I simply cannot understand why people have gotten it in their heads that Gallente are supposed to have some missile/turret hybrids (especially when all missile/turret hybrids have been about as good as a corsette in combat).
Besides that, we've already got a split missile/turret battleship in the Typhoon, and the goal with tier 3 is not to add an improved version of existing battleships.

Drawing direct parallels from a) frigate and b) cruiser as well as c) storyline however, it does make a lot of sense if the Gallentean tier 3 were a sensor dampener ship.
Not that it'd be exciting to fly in fleets (read: "shoot me!" sign), but in smaller gangs a dampener ship would be awesome. The Megathron is the blaster boat, and the devs better make it function as one. Gallente are also focused on skirmish rather than fleet (due to focusing on short range). AS SUCH, a split missile/turret layout isn't inconcievable (sp?), but without bonuses to either system.

I kond of liked the bonus for sensor resolution someone proposed in a different thred. (7 mid 6 low +5% dampener eff. and +20% scan resolution - puts the lock times down to battlecruiser levels) Although it's a rather weak bonus (set) as such - maybe too weak for a tier 3 ship.



With other words, you dont want to have a useless piece of junk with just 1 damage bonus as well.

But if you ever will get a BS with damp bonus, you will face a splitted weapon system, cause celestis has it as well Razz

Theron Gyrow
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:33:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Nafri


Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon


5M in drones here, and there are lots of useful skills left I could take to level 5. I can't use all T2 heavy drones, either.

CCP Tuxford

Posted - 2006.04.28 10:34:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Nafri


Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon

No you still can just train missiles if you want. In fact even if you are caldari you don't need to train gunnery. You can just fly, Kestrel, Caracal, Cerberus, Raven. In fact once the tier 2 and tier 3 bs and the hawk changes come in you can almost always choose between a missile ship and a turret ship. I'll grant you that that if you want to fly all the caldari ships you need both good gunnery and missile skill but nobody is forcing you to do that.

Apertotes
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:37:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Tuxford
Just to ease your minds then I have this to say about the tier 3 ships. They are only called tier 3 ships that doesn't mean that they will just be better than the other two battleship. In fact tier 2 battleships aren't necessarily better for every situation than tier 1 battleships. In some situations you'd prefer a scorpion over a raven, a dominix over a mega, an arma over an apoc. Typhoon has its own issues which the recent bonus changes should fix.

The key thing is to make it different, not better. Its pretty obvious for me that the Caldari will be a railboat. Saying that its a missile race not a turret race is simply not true. Its just like saying Gallente are drone race not a turret race. Caldari use missiles and railguns like Gallente use drones and blasters. Well they can in reality use both railguns and blasters though.

As for stats that are on them now then they are hardly final and all speculation about them at this point is just that, speculation.


Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon


wow, i guess this is the end of the world. a caldari whining about training times to specialize.

yeah, i am caldari, too, but i mainly fly minmatar ships. THAT, takes time, not caldari

in the end, i think the easiest part is for amarr, then come caldari and gallente, and on a lousy fourth place gets minmatar (like almost always Evil or Very Mad)

Aloysius Knight
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:39:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Tuxford
Originally by: Nafri


Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon

No you still can just train missiles if you want. In fact even if you are caldari you don't need to train gunnery. You can just fly, Kestrel, Caracal, Cerberus, Raven. In fact once the tier 2 and tier 3 bs and the hawk changes come in you can almost always choose between a missile ship and a turret ship. I'll grant you that that if you want to fly all the caldari ships you need both good gunnery and missile skill but nobody is forcing you to do that.



oh so minmatar have to?

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:43:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Tuxford
Originally by: Nafri


Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon

No you still can just train missiles if you want. In fact even if you are caldari you don't need to train gunnery. You can just fly, Kestrel, Caracal, Cerberus, Raven. In fact once the tier 2 and tier 3 bs and the hawk changes come in you can almost always choose between a missile ship and a turret ship. I'll grant you that that if you want to fly all the caldari ships you need both good gunnery and missile skill but nobody is forcing you to do that.


But all the turret ships also need missleskills Razz. Missles ships are mostly irrelevant for me since I like to stay at at least 100km ugh. I still wonder why you gave the rook a missle damage bonus when its opitmal fighting range is 161km. Would have been way better as gunship like this falcon.

Also its unfair to limit some races to only a small part of their ships by making unfair SP needs. You also render such ships like the typhoon into being pointless. Afterall the typhoon will stay a ship with 1 damage bonus, whereas the Dominix gets bonuses to small/medium/large weapons Shocked.

Bondage Betty
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:44:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Tuxford
Just to ease your minds then I have this to say about the tier 3 ships. They are only called tier 3 ships that doesn't mean that they will just be better than the other two battleship. In fact tier 2 battleships aren't necessarily better for every situation than tier 1 battleships. In some situations you'd prefer a scorpion over a raven, a dominix over a mega, an arma over an apoc. Typhoon has its own issues which the recent bonus changes should fix.

The key thing is to make it different, not better. Its pretty obvious for me that the Caldari will be a railboat. Saying that its a missile race not a turret race is simply not true. Its just like saying Gallente are drone race not a turret race. Caldari use missiles and railguns like Gallente use drones and blasters. Well they can in reality use both railguns and blasters though.

As for stats that are on them now then they are hardly final and all speculation about them at this point is just that, speculation.


Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon


Well, if your Minmatar it's even worse, cause you need maxed gunnery, spaceship command, and you have split weapons so you need missiles aswell, and you can either shield or armor tank so you need to have high on those aswell + drones...

Minmatar is the most skillheavy race hands down, then Caldari / Gallente and last Amarr.

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:45:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Tuxford
Just to ease your minds then I have this to say about the tier 3 ships. They are only called tier 3 ships that doesn't mean that they will just be better than the other two battleship. In fact tier 2 battleships aren't necessarily better for every situation than tier 1 battleships. In some situations you'd prefer a scorpion over a raven, a dominix over a mega, an arma over an apoc. Typhoon has its own issues which the recent bonus changes should fix.

The key thing is to make it different, not better. Its pretty obvious for me that the Caldari will be a railboat. Saying that its a missile race not a turret race is simply not true. Its just like saying Gallente are drone race not a turret race. Caldari use missiles and railguns like Gallente use drones and blasters. Well they can in reality use both railguns and blasters though.

As for stats that are on them now then they are hardly final and all speculation about them at this point is just that, speculation.


Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon


wow, i guess this is the end of the world. a caldari whining about training times to specialize.

yeah, i am caldari, too, but i mainly fly minmatar ships. THAT, takes time, not caldari

in the end, i think the easiest part is for amarr, then come caldari and gallente, and on a lousy fourth place gets minmatar (like almost always Evil or Very Mad)



Personally I have 5.5 electronics/7.5 gunnery/2.5 missles/10 spaceship command, I can fly caldari and matari at the same lvl and training for caldari as PvP race is as hard as training for matari basicly

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:47:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Nafri
Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now
(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)
would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon

I have 4-5million SP in drones. It seems pretty balanced to me.

Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:49:00 - [49]
 

/me gets out the worlds smallest violin for ze whiners

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:55:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Nafri
Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon

No, this isn't true.

The reason is that the benefits from training up drones doesn't *show* because:
1. Drones are cumbersome to use and don't deal immidiate damage
2. Show info doesn't show your skill effects
3. You don't recieve damage notification from drones

Also, and this is important, there are too many ships OTHER than the drone ships that have drones and as such there are too many dabblers. Drones aren't a dedicated weapon system the way turrets, EWar, and missiles are.
If drones worked exactly the same as now, but instead were fitted in high slots, and if they couldn't be destroyed (i.e. when destroyed or otherwise lost you'd just have to launch a new one), you'd see people thinking of drone skills completely differently.

I've got very low drone skills at 2 million. I know I'm lagging behind my alliance mates cause I can't use T2 drones etc, but I don't notice it cause I can't see what sort of damage my drones do.

Ebedar
Gallente
Primary Intelligence
Posted - 2006.04.28 10:56:00 - [51]
 

I'd rather see the game balanced ahead of new content being released, but I suspect I don't reflect the majority of the player base in that respect.

IMO, until the devs can hand-on-heart say that they have a specific, unique and necessary role for each of the new ships to play, they shouldn't even consider releasing Tier 3 BS. But that won't appease the shiny toy brigade.

Apertotes
Posted - 2006.04.28 11:00:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Apertotes on 28/04/2006 11:04:26
Originally by: Nafri

Personally I have 5.5 electronics/7.5 gunnery/2.5 missles/10 spaceship command, I can fly caldari and matari at the same lvl and training for caldari as PvP race is as hard as training for matari basicly


i disagree. like tux said, you can train only missiles or only rails, and then fly half of the caldari ships.

but to fly almost any minmatar ship you need projectiles, missiles and drones. it is not that you can focuss only on projectiles and fly perfectly half of their ships. almost every ship needs at least good drones skills too.

not only that, some minie ships armor tank, some shield tank.

i am training both minie and caldari ships also, and it has been much worse to be proficient with minie ships than with caldari ships (only missile boats, i decided to leave out railgun boats).

in fact, i think that a very good minie pilot would make a very good caldari pilot (missile boats, again), but a very good caldari pilot would make a mediocre minie pilot.

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2006.04.28 11:03:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 28/04/2006 11:03:25
Originally by: Apertotes


in fact, i think that a very good minie pilot would make a very good caldari pilot (missile boats, again), but a very good caldari pilot would make a mediocre minie pilot.


Yep, and this is why its good for new players to start with Caldari and then move on to other races ships if they want to.

Niques Leutre
Posted - 2006.04.28 11:10:00 - [54]
 

What makes you think Tier 3 Battleships will kill off others? People won't go, 'Oooh, slightly more powergrid' and toss others aside.

Just look at the Caldari rail ships. The Moa and Merlin have superior resists, HP, powergrid, CPU, scanners, etc, yet they are used FAR less often than missile boats. The only exception is the Ferox, which I'm positive will change with the new missile battlecruiser...

In any case, based on the current pattern I *seriously* doubt Ravens are going to die off any time soon. Same goes for any other races.

P.S. -- Those of us who don't missile ***** aren't idiots.

charix
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.04.28 11:13:00 - [55]
 

signed

MrRookie
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2006.04.28 11:20:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Nafri
Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now
(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)
would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon

I have 4-5million SP in drones. It seems pretty balanced to me.


Actualy lets look at the Amarr...

Drones: 0 SP
Missiles: 0 SP
EW: 0 SP
Gunnery: 6 mill SP

And weeee there you go, maxed out Razz
Ofcourse any skillpoints in the other trees are always usefull and welcome but I still think Amarr is the only race which effectivly can fly nearly all their ships with just gunnery skills

Renox
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2006.04.28 11:28:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Tuxford
Just to ease your minds then I have this to say about the tier 3 ships. They are only called tier 3 ships that doesn't mean that they will just be better than the other two battleship. In fact tier 2 battleships aren't necessarily better for every situation than tier 1 battleships. In some situations you'd prefer a scorpion over a raven, a dominix over a mega, an arma over an apoc. Typhoon has its own issues which the recent bonus changes should fix.

The key thing is to make it different, not better. Its pretty obvious for me that the Caldari will be a railboat. Saying that its a missile race not a turret race is simply not true. Its just like saying Gallente are drone race not a turret race. Caldari use missiles and railguns like Gallente use drones and blasters. Well they can in reality use both railguns and blasters though.

As for stats that are on them now then they are hardly final and all speculation about them at this point is just that, speculation.


Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon


I have little more then 4 mil in drones and still have lots to train so I think they come up quite close in sp and what is more, they are by far the most difficult/cumbersome weapon to use due to their faulty AI and the fact that they can easily be left behind/shot.

Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
the undivided
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2006.04.28 11:37:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: MrRookie
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Nafri
Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now
(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)
would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon

I have 4-5million SP in drones. It seems pretty balanced to me.


Actualy lets look at the Amarr...

Drones: 0 SP
Missiles: 0 SP
EW: 0 SP
Gunnery: 6 mill SP

And weeee there you go, maxed out Razz
Ofcourse any skillpoints in the other trees are always usefull and welcome but I still think Amarr is the only race which effectivly can fly nearly all their ships with just gunnery skills


How is that maxed out exactly ?

Ive got 9.1 in Amarr gunnery and am no where near done to the level I want them Rolling Eyes

Alliaanna

*cough* but yeah I have like under a 2mill in missiles/ew/drones.

Ew is kinda a null point, with an average of 3 midslots doesn't leave much room to play. But can now fly Force recon ships so will be getting that up Very Happy

Shimpu
Sensory Overload
Posted - 2006.04.28 11:40:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Shimpu on 28/04/2006 11:42:08
@ OP:

Oh noes, I'm so afraid of any changes Embarassed Boo-hoo Crying or Very sad
Don't ruin this game! After X months I understood how to do stuff and now you change things *cry*

P.S.: Things have to change every once in a while to stay interesting

Invisible Touch
Caldari
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.04.28 11:41:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Tuxford
Originally by: Nafri


Drones hardly take SP to train for, a bit unfair since you need tons of Skillpoins as caldari now

(~6.5 million electronics/~6 million gunnery/~ 5 million missles)

would be great if such things could get balanced anytime soon

No you still can just train missiles if you want. In fact even if you are caldari you don't need to train gunnery. You can just fly, Kestrel, Caracal, Cerberus, Raven. In fact once the tier 2 and tier 3 bs and the hawk changes come in you can almost always choose between a missile ship and a turret ship. I'll grant you that that if you want to fly all the caldari ships you need both good gunnery and missile skill but nobody is forcing you to do that.


Sorry Tux you are wrong. There are huge discrepancies skillwise between race options. Caldari and Minmater being the ones with a greater range of options, but lacking focus. Since you are the math wiz, please compare a 30mil sp gallente char to a similar sp-wise caldari character, both flying their race carriers and dreads. And please tell us your results...



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