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M00dy
Minmatar
Killed In Action
Posted - 2006.04.20 20:21:00 - [1]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 31/08/2004 00:40:56

The only things I would like to comment on here are those aspects of the original report that falsely represent my actions and involvement:

(Whether these falsehoods were included in the original BDCI/Sharks report or have been added by the mysterious ms R0tt3n I do not care to speculate at this time).

Quote:
On Monday the 2nd of August, Seleene was contacted by Jade Constantine and accused of everything from RL global warming to openly supporting the Phoenix Alliance.


Seleene was contacted and was warned that this action would likely compromise BDCI assumed political "neutrality" due to the involvement of the previously PA-friendly Sharks. (The reasons for the "PA-friendly" tag for Sharks have been extensively discussed privately since and suffice to say there was more than adaquate reason for the assumption at the time of my conversation with Seleene and BDCI)

Quote:
Explaining that the job had no personal motivation for BDCI or Sharks took a lot of effort and time (bonus pay for dealing with Jade??) eventually leading to a BDCI/Sharks Statement of Intent on the NCA forums.


It was indeed a very long discussion. Seleene certainly wanted to claim the "its just business" line, while I was extremely distrustful of the Sharks political motivations given their CEO's personal animosity to all things NCA and Jericho. (Another stumbling block being the seeming inability of Seleene to understand that an attack on an ally would trigger support from that ally's friends as a matter of course regardless of the personalities involved.)

Quote:
Jade threatened war against both of our corps if we did not stop keeping EVís forced tied up. After careful consideration, about eight seconds worth, Seleene and Charity Regard informed Ms. Constantine what she could do with her threats


At no time did Charity Regard open conversation or communication with me over this matter.

And rather than blustering dismissively as is presented here, both BDCI and Sharks personnel worked extremely hard to avoid further confrontation with NCA corporations, citing the belief that we were being "unreasonable" to threaten them with wardecs to defend our friends over this essentially limited engagement.

Seleene told me personally that BDCI and Sharks were both small and elusive corporations with unsociable activity hours that would simply melt into void and be impossible to find if several NCA corporations were to return reciprical war declarations in payment for their aggression against Everlasting Vendetta.

I took her point and concluded that yes, it would probably be pointless for us to spend much effort doing so.

Seleene in turn assured me that it was a limited duration contract that would soon be over in any case and wasn't anything that we should be worried about.

Rather than threatening us with "no mercy" escalation of hostilities or some such, the position was that Seleene/BDCI/Sharks really did not want to fight anyone other than EV and felt it would limit their "fun" and prospects in the event of a broadening of hostilties.

The biggest "threat" I received was that BDCI and Sharks were empire only and could disappear and never be found if faced with superior odds.

So.

Obviously Seleene and BDCI/Sharks are entirely free to dream up any kind of rhetorical spiel for their clients to boost their payment-potential and that is something of a given neccessity in the merc profession that seasoned CEOs learn to deal with. But equally obviously (as in this case) when the said rhetorical spiel becomes public due to disclosure from ethically-challenged clients, mercs need to appreciate that those named in the "confidential" reports will take the chance to put their side.

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Now I have no desire for a lengthy series of angry discussions over this matter, suffice to say; I have presented the truth as may be demonstrated by communication logs and records if my word is challenged by BDCI or Sharks personnel on these specific items, but since I have no wish to further embarrass the principles, I can leave this statement as my final word if they are willing to accept the minor rebuke against the over-inflated assessment of their rhetorical achievements in private negotiations as presented to their client.

In future I would advise BDCI/Sharks to avoid personal slurs and boasts in their damage-assessments and stick to the facts. The fact that these documents can come out means that a professional organisation must act professionally even in private documents and client communications.

Lots of love




Moved from Forum Experiments - Petwraith

FowlPlayChiken
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.04.21 02:59:00 - [2]
 

wait...what? o.0

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2006.04.21 03:02:00 - [3]
 

I only have one thought from reading this.....

Can Jade post again???? Very Happy

Righteous Fury
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.04.21 03:05:00 - [4]
 

I want five minutes of my life back.

The Cosmopolite
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.04.21 03:06:00 - [5]
 

Jericho Fraction would quite like to know why this was moved from the forum experiments section.

What's the point?

Cosmo

Foomanshoe
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.21 04:50:00 - [6]
 

How is quoting a year and half old thread with a new thread different then forum necromancy?

Dont move it mod, lock it. Rolling Eyes

Baun
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.04.21 04:55:00 - [7]
 

This was actually moved here? or is that just a joke.

Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.04.21 05:14:00 - [8]
 

Okaaaaaay.... that's strange. Ummm... am I supposed to flame someone now? Very Happy

Baun
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.04.21 05:34:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Okaaaaaay.... that's strange. Ummm... am I supposed to flame someone now? Very Happy


Isn't that why this forum is here?

Dust Angel
Caldari
Harvest System
Posted - 2006.04.21 05:39:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Avernus
I only have one thought from reading this.....

Can Jade post again???? Very Happy


Shocked

Grand Mal
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2006.04.21 10:17:00 - [11]
 

I I was a guessing man, I'd say the author was experimenting with quotes and it was moved to the corp discussion?


Sivona
Minmatar
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2006.04.21 10:27:00 - [12]
 

Isn't this history? Really whats the point i dont get it :/

Luc Boye
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.04.21 10:30:00 - [13]
 

is this a bob thread?

Traxio Nacho
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Posted - 2006.04.21 10:30:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Foomanshoe
How is quoting a year and half old thread with a new thread different then forum necromancy?

Dont move it mod, lock it. Rolling Eyes


Are your surprised considering the mods these days?

Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.04.21 10:40:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Luc Boye
is this a bob thread?


Most threads here are what people make of them. YARRRR!!

Shin Ra
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.04.21 10:45:00 - [16]
 

I think they give those banned guys another chance. Surely after all this time ppl like Jade and Max have learned their lesson?

Traxio Nacho
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Posted - 2006.04.21 10:49:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Shin Ra
I think they give those banned guys another chance. Surely after all this time ppl like Jade and Max have learned their lesson?


Not allowed to discuss moderation or peoples bans Razz

Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.04.21 10:51:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Shin Ra
I think they give those banned guys another chance. Surely after all this time ppl like Jade and Max have learned their lesson?


Not allowed to discuss moderation or peoples bans Razz


I'm reporting both of you.

Traxio Nacho
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Posted - 2006.04.21 10:55:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Shin Ra
I think they give those banned guys another chance. Surely after all this time ppl like Jade and Max have learned their lesson?


Not allowed to discuss moderation or peoples bans Razz


I'm reporting both of you.


well i'm reporting you for reporting me and for not reporting yourself for reporting me.Cool

Chaotic Beauty
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:09:00 - [20]
 

So, what's BoB up to nowadays?

Zzazzt
Gallente
Millennium
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:12:00 - [21]
 

Hi - I appear to be lost. Could someone direct me to the nearest cheese shop?

Traxio Nacho
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:14:00 - [22]
 

/Trax points towards Seleene

Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:40:00 - [23]
 

Well, since we are all sharing... I like cats. I also like waffles. Just to be clear tho, I don't like cat on waffles.


P.S. - I am seriously starting to wonder if a Mod drank too much cough syrup last night or something...

P.S.S. - I really want to get out of this office so I can shoot something. In the game. Not real life. Stop looking at me like that.

Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:41:00 - [24]
 

I'm banning all of you! YARRRR!!

General Hansen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:42:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Hast
I'm banning all of you! YARRRR!!


I would center my sig but I is cooler than you


Amthrianius
Gallente
Keiretsu
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:43:00 - [26]
 

I believe Michael Jackson named a song after this thread

Guess which?

General Hansen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:47:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Amthrianius
I believe Michael Jackson named a song after this thread

Guess which?


You saying that aint funny =[

corp full of metrosexuals 4tl


MickeyFinn
Gallente
Outcast Heroes
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:48:00 - [28]
 

Was it "Keep it in the closet?"

ShockedLaughing

Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:50:00 - [29]
 

Five BoB posts in a row. Yeah, this thread is going to Cuba fast... Very Happy

Amthrianius
Gallente
Keiretsu
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.04.21 11:50:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: MickeyFinn
Was it "Keep it in the closet?"

ShockedLaughing


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