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FyrepMelo
Posted - 2006.04.13 21:31:00 - [1]
 



I been reading these boards for a while now and everyone says use missiles on a raven while doing level 4 missions. I would expect many of these people have a lot of SP and use T2 launchers.

All the raven pilots I know off in the game, that have very little trouble doing level 4 missions are the ones that use named torp launchers, these are the people with less then 10m sp. At the same time, I do not know off a single missile spec raven pilot that does level 4 missions, in fact they just do level 3's.

So the question, are tough level 4 missions easier in a torps boat vs a missile boat for people who are lacking the dps skills. Can heavy t1 drones plus torps, kill the high dps ships fast enough, to allow low sp raven boats to survive the initial beating, better then a missile boat with med drones.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.04.14 03:46:00 - [2]
 

What the hell do you mean by a missile boat?

The Raven is a missile boat.

Yes, a Torp Raven will be better for level 4s than some other missile-ship using weaker missiles. My Ferox can kill 1.1mil bounty BSes(using heavies with lvl 4 spec), but if I were to use a Raven with torp spec at lvl 4, I'd smoke them probably 2x as fast, if not more, and my Tank wouldn't come close to breaking (atm the lvl 4 duo of death mission can eventually wear down my tank... damn spider drones and cruise batteries).

4 LOM
Serenus Legion
Posted - 2006.04.14 03:58:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: FyrepMelo


I been reading these boards for a while now and everyone says use missiles on a raven while doing level 4 missions. I would expect many of these people have a lot of SP and use T2 launchers.

All the raven pilots I know off in the game, that have very little trouble doing level 4 missions are the ones that use named torp launchers, these are the people with less then 10m sp. At the same time, I do not know off a single missile spec raven pilot that does level 4 missions, in fact they just do level 3's.

So the question, are tough level 4 missions easier in a torps boat vs a missile boat for people who are lacking the dps skills. Can heavy t1 drones plus torps, kill the high dps ships fast enough, to allow low sp raven boats to survive the initial beating, better then a missile boat with med drones.


I have no idea what you are talking about.... i dont even think you know what you are talking about. all i can say is you are clearly new to the game, therfore how to fit a raven to do level 4 missions is of no significance to you anyways.

I cant really post anything constructive because i cant figure out your question.

What you need to do is read over your post and change it so that it makes more sense.
1. ravens are missile boats
2. missile specilization includes torpedos (a torpedos is a missile), "An ultra-heavy unguided nuclear missile." (taken right from the bane torpedo discription)
3. "torp boat vs missile boat" torp fitted raven is a missile boat... not to sure what you are getting at there. aAain a torpedo is a missile.


Hellborne
Posted - 2006.04.14 03:58:00 - [4]
 

Tank is better than gank in my experiance, I came back to Eve after a break and trained straight for the Raven, which in my previous experiance, was the best ship for pve.

Afiak, the specialised skills do not apply to torps, ie the hitting anything smaller than a BS, but with tech 2 drones thats a minor problem, with a good tank and gisti gear you can happily tank the cruisers etc and kill the bs...

Above said, I still havent bothered to train torps, and with the hype about the tier 3 Caldari BS going to be a rail platform probably never will, cruise missiles have never let me down so far and will probably stick with them till I am proved wrong about torps.

Regards.

Jon.

Hellborne
Posted - 2006.04.14 04:00:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: FyrepMelo


I been reading these boards for a while now and everyone says use missiles on a raven while doing level 4 missions. I would expect many of these people have a lot of SP and use T2 launchers.

All the raven pilots I know off in the game, that have very little trouble doing level 4 missions are the ones that use named torp launchers, these are the people with less then 10m sp. At the same time, I do not know off a single missile spec raven pilot that does level 4 missions, in fact they just do level 3's.

So the question, are tough level 4 missions easier in a torps boat vs a missile boat for people who are lacking the dps skills. Can heavy t1 drones plus torps, kill the high dps ships fast enough, to allow low sp raven boats to survive the initial beating, better then a missile boat with med drones.


I have no idea what you are talking about.... i dont even think you know what you are talking about. all i can say is you are clearly new to the game, therfore how to fit a raven to do level 4 missions is of no significance to you anyways.

I cant really post anything constructive because i cant figure out your question.

What you need to do is read over your post and change it so that it makes more sense.
1. ravens are missile boats
2. missile specilization includes torpedos (a torpedos is a missile), "An ultra-heavy unguided nuclear missile." (taken right from the bane torpedo discription)
3. "torp boat vs missile boat" torp fitted raven is a missile boat... not to sure what you are getting at there. aAain a torpedo is a missile.




I was doing level 4s at 3m skill points, just what is your point about being a low sp raven pilot?

You just need to have the right skills in the right areas.

Regards.

Jon.

Phaese
Posted - 2006.04.14 04:08:00 - [6]
 

To clarify, torps are missiles; every combat-worthy Raven setup is a missle boat (okay, discoraven might be cool, but I digress...).

Your question, I think, is basically one of torps versus cruise missiles for use in level IV missions. From what I understand, both are functional. The main bonuses of cruise missiles are that cruise launchers eat less grid (and CPU I believe) than torp launchers, that cruise missiles have about twice the base range of torps, and that cruise missile are more effective against cruisers. The torps, on the other hand, really only have the advantage of sheer damage to battleship-sized targets.

That being said, in situations where I have three specific skillsets, I'd choose torps for level IV missions. These skills are basically: the powergrid skills to fit 6x torp launchers without sacrificing low slots, the missile skills that increase missile range to at least level three, and the skills for five heavy drones. In my experience, an assortment of heavy and medium drones can effectively take out all cruiser and frigs in level IVs, while I spam missiles at the battleships. Overall, in my opinion, I think it simply kills faster.

As for surving the initial beating, the most important thing here is that you have specific hardners fitted and active; two hardners can effectively half all damage you take from most pirate factions ('cept Angels I think).

Hope that helps.

4 LOM
Serenus Legion
Posted - 2006.04.14 04:09:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Hellborne
Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: FyrepMelo


I been reading these boards for a while now and everyone says use missiles on a raven while doing level 4 missions. I would expect many of these people have a lot of SP and use T2 launchers.

All the raven pilots I know off in the game, that have very little trouble doing level 4 missions are the ones that use named torp launchers, these are the people with less then 10m sp. At the same time, I do not know off a single missile spec raven pilot that does level 4 missions, in fact they just do level 3's.

So the question, are tough level 4 missions easier in a torps boat vs a missile boat for people who are lacking the dps skills. Can heavy t1 drones plus torps, kill the high dps ships fast enough, to allow low sp raven boats to survive the initial beating, better then a missile boat with med drones.


I have no idea what you are talking about.... i dont even think you know what you are talking about. all i can say is you are clearly new to the game, therfore how to fit a raven to do level 4 missions is of no significance to you anyways.

I cant really post anything constructive because i cant figure out your question.

What you need to do is read over your post and change it so that it makes more sense.
1. ravens are missile boats
2. missile specilization includes torpedos (a torpedos is a missile), "An ultra-heavy unguided nuclear missile." (taken right from the bane torpedo discription)
3. "torp boat vs missile boat" torp fitted raven is a missile boat... not to sure what you are getting at there. aAain a torpedo is a missile.




I was doing level 4s at 3m skill points, just what is your point about being a low sp raven pilot?

You just need to have the right skills in the right areas.

Regards.

Jon.


I did not say anything about skill points... not sure why you are flaming me, said something about being new to eve but nothing about sp's.

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2006.04.14 04:12:00 - [8]
 


I think this guy didnt know that torpedoes are missiles, since they are not named "missile" like Light missile, Heavy missile etc.

I bet he knows now. =)

4 LOM
Serenus Legion
Posted - 2006.04.14 04:14:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Phaese
To clarify, torps are missiles; every combat-worthy Raven setup is a missle boat (okay, discoraven might be cool, but I digress...).

Your question, I think, is basically one of torps versus cruise missiles for use in level IV missions. From what I understand, both are functional. The main bonuses of cruise missiles are that cruise launchers eat less grid (and CPU I believe) than torp launchers, that cruise missiles have about twice the base range of torps, and that cruise missile are more effective against cruisers. The torps, on the other hand, really only have the advantage of sheer damage to battleship-sized targets.

That being said, in situations where I have three specific skillsets, I'd choose torps for level IV missions. These skills are basically: the powergrid skills to fit 6x torp launchers without sacrificing low slots, the missile skills that increase missile range to at least level three, and the skills for five heavy drones. In my experience, an assortment of heavy and medium drones can effectively take out all cruiser and frigs in level IVs, while I spam missiles at the battleships. Overall, in my opinion, I think it simply kills faster.

As for surving the initial beating, the most important thing here is that you have specific hardners fitted and active; two hardners can effectively half all damage you take from most pirate factions ('cept Angels I think).

Hope that helps.


If this is what he was asking (not sure if it was). then its presonal opinion, i used to run missions using torps but have recently switched to cruise missiles, in contratry to Phaese i find the missions go faster with cruise missiles. this could be do to skill points, fitting, and combat style. Anyways if this was your question then its presonal prefrence try them both.

Meiron
Posted - 2006.04.14 07:30:00 - [10]
 

Well, there's like four times as many cruisers/frigs in any given level 4 mission compared to battleships, and since battleships won't scramble you (except for Zor! watch out for Right Hand of Zzazzmatazz :)), it's generally a good idea to take out frigs first anyway. Plus, taking out cruisers decreases the DPS your tank has to sustain faster than attacking battleships. So I can totally see cruise launchers, particularly with good precision skills, and/or using precision ammo, making level 4 missions faster/safer.

Destises
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2006.04.14 07:30:00 - [11]
 

Its clear that he is asking if Cruise are better than Torps for level 4s. Personally I prefer Cruise launchers because it allows me to fit a better tank and most level 4s are packed with cruisers.

I think FyrepMelo also asked why more players with higher skillpoints choose to do level 3s instead of level 4 missions. Some people think you can earn more loyalty points with their mission agents by doing a couple level 3s in the time it takes to do a single level 4. Especially when you have the loyalty point boosting skills such as Military Connections and a tech 2 cruiser to blast through them.



 

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