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Vishnej
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:04:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Vishnej on 08/04/2006 14:17:29
Edited by: Vishnej on 08/04/2006 01:43:20
*EC-P8R witnesses the largest fleet battles in Eve, and the fastest most effective use of dreads yet, to take out TRUST's capital production line, which has been selling to G/Iron
*Atuk disbands[Eve politics loses Noob Scriptor], 60% of their members join BoB as Destructive Influences
*Iron kicks all but 3 membercorps and leaves 0.0
*BoB sets all their friends hostile
*G disbands
*RE1GN attempts to leave Five and join BoB[and fails]

All in the space of little over a week.

Naming suggestions + analysis only in this thread, no alts plz.

Emno
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:06:00 - [2]
 

lots of shooty + fun soon?

Vishnej
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:06:00 - [3]
 

Oh, and who do you think will fill the power vacuum in the northwest?

Daiashi
Gallente
Supernova Security Systems
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:07:00 - [4]
 

From the BoB comments it already has a name -'Phase 4'

Scalor Valentis
Minmatar
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:08:00 - [5]
 

F.U.B.A.R. fits just nice here i think ^__^

Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:09:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Vishnej
Oh, and who do you think will fill the power vacuum in the northwest?


I'm not feeling any vacuums in here...Surprised

Goberth Ludwig
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:09:00 - [7]
 

begun the forum war has? Embarassed

Vishnej
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:11:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Daiashi
From the BoB comments it already has a name -'Phase 4'


Phase 4 involves only two of the above directly.

Ziyi Zhang
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:14:00 - [9]
 

The "everyone says, screw it we cant beat BoB at their own game and it isnt even fun to try, lets go run missions in empire and wait for Lord of the Rings Online to get released" phase?

BadManEdmundo
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:15:00 - [10]
 

Some people call it the beggining of the end, some people call it the end of the begging.

I like to think of it, it's been great, I hope it gets better.

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:16:00 - [11]
 

"Naming suggestions"

First reaction was "The Cluster**** of 2006"...

... but then again it's not even mid year, yet. :s

The bad word filter exists for a reason, do not try to bypass it - Wrangler

Mr Fubar
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:17:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Scalor Valentis
F.U.B.A.R. fits just nice here i think ^__^


damn you've found me out Shocked

F.U.B.A.R. Alliance coming soon(tm)
by:
<<< me !!!

Equinox II
Gallente
APEX ARDENT COALITION
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:22:00 - [13]
 

Name suggestion: "a molle"? j/k :)

EL TITAN
Caldari
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:27:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Vishnej
*EC-P8R witnesses the largest fleet battles in Eve, and the fastest most effective use of dreads yet, to take out TRUST's capital production line, which has been selling to G/Iron
*Atuk disbands[Eve politics loses Noob Scriptor], 60% of their members join BoB as Destructive Influences
*Iron kicks all but 3 membercorps and leaves 0.0
*BoB sets all their friends hostile
*G disbands

Naming suggestions + analysis only in this thread, no alts plz.



Actually its more like 95% of the active ATUK members are in DICE/bob tbh ;o

Coasterbrian
Gallente
Grenadiers
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:35:00 - [15]
 

This is The Great Shakeup of 2006.

The Great Shakeup of 2004 was when PA (the first one) and CA pretty much ended up with the rest of eve at negative.

The Great Shakeup of 2005 was rather long, between when CA disbanded and XF died, fracturing the south/east. This could also be said to include when BoB left the north, ending the GNW.

Omatje
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:38:00 - [16]
 

Let's call it Evequake 2006Wink

gizli
Minmatar
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:40:00 - [17]
 

Molle/Seleene/CYVOK do a press release saying they are the same man in rl and that they went to all the G CEO's rl homes and forced them to disband G.

Molle/seleene/cyvoks a.k.a Mr. Sir. Officer. Gustav Von Smith III is winning eve Shocked

Equinox II
Gallente
APEX ARDENT COALITION
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:43:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: gizli
Molle/Seleene/CYVOK .. *snip*
I thought Sel was blacklights alt? wtf? The conspiracy goes even further than I thought ;p

Beringe
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:45:00 - [19]
 

And it only took a week or so...

...and it isn't over yet.

Baun
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:52:00 - [20]
 

How about the great rebellion against boredom?

Ishahn
Minmatar
Fractured Millenium
Posted - 2006.04.07 22:57:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Scalor Valentis
F.U.B.A.R. fits just nice here i think ^__^


or maybe s.n.a.f.u

Vily
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.04.07 23:02:00 - [22]
 

The seige of EC and the northwestern evacuation



Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.04.07 23:03:00 - [23]
 

I call this the "2006 surprise"

...like wtf. North has just become a melting pot, BoB has been unleashed in EVE and ATUK decided to go BoB.


I saw more action this week than in 6 months, and tbh I can't say what's going to happen next.

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2006.04.07 23:08:00 - [24]
 

it shall be called the pre-titan era

Mr Fubar
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.04.07 23:08:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ishahn
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
F.U.B.A.R. fits just nice here i think ^__^


or maybe s.n.a.f.u


no i dont have an alt named Mr. Snafu so its gotta be F.U.B.A.R. Wink

Joerd Toastius
Amarr
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.04.07 23:52:00 - [26]
 

As has been suggested elsewhere, it could just be everyone taking stock of the consequences of the EC megablob and deciding that carrying on down this road is just not going to be fun. On this model, a lot of alliances become "roving", making their cash when and where they can, ignoring the problems of holding territory and getting their fights thick and fast wherever they feel like it. If this is the way things go, however, it will very likely cycle back, and in six months or a year we'll have a new crop of alliances staking out their claims and engaging in high and low politics, but with much-increased capital ship counts, better strategies against them and a more balanced playing field.

As it is and especially now that it has subsumed ATUK, BoB has basically won the current arms race - the race to overwhelming numbers of capital ships - by industrial effort and blobbing up, and the apparent losers may well be effectively cedeing victory of this round and moving to a new paradigm in which having twenty dreads simply isn't relevant. This will remain the status quo probably for as long as one force (ie BoB) retains an overwhelming capital advantage - and while this status quo remains, that capital advantage will be effectively useless.

What may result from this possible scenario is a stagnation of capital ship production, especially by BoB, as every time they increase their fleet size they make it less likely that they will ever see decisive combat and justify their investment. If this stagnation happens, and if then new fledgling powers decide they want to fight in the old ways again and start preparing in secret, the balance could be shifted quickly to the point where there are multiple alliances which can field EC-sized capital fleets. If new groups manage to steal a march on BoB in this way, and can again compete on equal terms, proper territoral conquest becomes viable again.

However, it will be POS wars in a very different manner. The effort needed to run POS will likely not change, but with large fleets of dreadnaughts it will be much easier to destroy them. Currently, POS wars are something of a grind, with POS being attacked individually by dread assaults and being fairly significant actions individual actions. The ****ing around in D7 has illustrated this nicely - five alliances on two sides duking it out, with to my knowledge two POS destroyed in the system in like a fortnight of fighting. With EC-class dread fleets on all sides, it will be much easier to knock over individual POS unopposed, to the point where you could reinforce normal-sized systems in a day and finish them off the day after. However, with large capital fleets on both sides, it will also be easier to mount defences in specific locations, by counter-deploying dreadnaughts. This will, I would hope, lead to a more dynamic POS war, with the focus coming back from the POS themselves to the enemy fleet. The defender at a POS always has a firepower advantage from the station defences, and if you can deploy an equal number of dreadnaughts, you should be able to fight the attackers off. This should put the fleet back on top as the major deciding factor, with wars turning not on POS grinds but on decisive fleet actions, usually with significant capital presence on both sides and often being full-on engagements between opposing capital fleets, with dread-on-dread combat determining the outcome of the war - the loser gets smashed, and the winner steamrolls on through all the hostile POS.

Of course, BoB could probably prevent all this from happening and curtail POS actions indefinitely by simply maintaining their current lead and cranking out more capital ships. I don't think this would be good for the game in the long run; thankfully, judging by their latest announcement I think they'll probably realise this and let events take their course. Here's hoping...

Dr Smacktalk
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.04.07 23:59:00 - [27]
 

BoBs goal as posted a few months ago was to own all of 0.0 in EvE.

Now the question is who is the next alliance to go down.

Robet Katrix
Caldari
Infinite Improbability Inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.04.08 01:22:00 - [28]
 

I officially decalare that this period shall be called the great breaking.

and possibly depnding on the next few weeks the great reformation

MessiahOfLight
Gallente
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.04.08 01:43:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Joerd Toastius
... status quo probably for as long as one force (ie BoB) retains an overwhelming capital advantage - and while this status quo remains, that capital advantage will be effectively useless.

What may result from this possible scenario is a stagnation of capital ship production, especially by BoB, as every time they increase their fleet size they make it less likely that they will ever see decisive combat and justify their investment. If this stagnation happens, and if then new fledgling powers decide they want to fight in the old ways again and start preparing in secret, the balance could be shifted quickly to the point where there are multiple alliances which can field EC-sized capital fleets. If new groups manage to steal a march on BoB in this way, and can again compete on equal terms, proper territoral conquest becomes viable again...

...
Of course, BoB could probably prevent all this from happening and curtail POS actions indefinitely by simply maintaining their current lead and cranking out more capital ships. I don't think this would be good for the game in the long run; thankfully, judging by their latest announcement I think they'll probably realise this and let events take their course. Here's hoping...


I seriuosly doubt, that BOB will slow down the Capital Ship/T2 stuff Production considerable, even in the near future. And although BOB might decide to fight on the other alliances terms, in order to get some fun out of them, doesnt mean that we will not considering to turn the wars onto our terms again if we need to.

I seriously hope that the other Alliances out there, and the future ones will come to see, that Eve is not only about fighting with weapons. We use our Industrial force to fight too, and i seriously doubt, that anyone else will beat us, if they stop building POSes and Cap ships and whatever. Cause if this continues, there will come a time when we have hundreds of capital ships, Trillions of isks, and a production capability bar none. Then truly Eve will be dominated by BOB. Not because we were so good, but because the others were too lazy. And therefore having ruined their game themselves. Noone can possibly blame uf for playing the game how its meant to be played.

[Anything i said here, is MY personal Opinion, and does NOT represent my Corp or Alliance]

HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2006.04.08 03:06:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: EL TITAN
Originally by: Vishnej
*EC-P8R witnesses the largest fleet battles in Eve, and the fastest most effective use of dreads yet, to take out TRUST's capital production line, which has been selling to G/Iron
*Atuk disbands[Eve politics loses Noob Scriptor], 60% of their members join BoB as Destructive Influences
*Iron kicks all but 3 membercorps and leaves 0.0
*BoB sets all their friends hostile
*G disbands

Naming suggestions + analysis only in this thread, no alts plz.



Actually its more like 95% of the active ATUK members are in DICE/bob tbh ;o


Was gonna say, my ass aint fat enough to account for 40% of ATUK. Although perhaps he was talking about my wtfleetskills that account for 99.99% of atuks efficencey, yes u know its true tit!


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