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Epsillon
Dark Knights of Deneb
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Posted - 2006.04.06 19:01:00 - [1]
 

At one point in time, my aim in EVE was to become the best Megathron piloting mission runner on the face of the galaxy.

So I trained for T2 guns to get me started, thinking that I would eventually spend my hard earned ISK getting Shadow Serpentis 425mm and 350mm Railguns, and handing out the beatings almost as fast as Hayden Christensen ruins Star Wars movies...

...boy was I wrong. But only about dealing out beatings, the movies are still crap.

Compare the following:

Dread Guristas Cruise Missile Launcher:
Rate of Fire: 15.4 seconds
Fittings: 1125 PG / 66 CPU

Cruise Missile Launcher II:
Rate of Fire: 17.6 seconds, factoring in Cruise Missile Spec at V: 15.84 seconds.
Fittings : 1313 PG / 66 CPU

So you see here, even with maxing out your cruise spec, you still do more damage with a Dread Guristas Cruise Missile Launcher, as you would expect from a module costing significantly more, and being significantly rarer than it's T2 counterpart.

So with this in mind, let us take a look at the Railguns!

350mm Railgun II:
Damage Modifier: 2.4x, Factoring in Large Railgun Spec V: 2.64x
Rate of Fire: 7.31 seconds.
Optimal Range: 43km
Fitting: 1,969 PG / 66 CPU

Dread Guristas 350mm Railgun:
Damage Modifier: 2.4x
Rate of Fire: 7.31 seconds.
Optimal Range: 46km
Fitting: 1,688 PG / 66 CPU

Shadow Serpentis 350mm Railgun:
Damage Modifier: 2.5x
Rate of Fire: 7.31 seconds.
Optimal Range: 36km(!!)
Fitting: 1,875 PG / 66 CPU

So by looking at this, we can see that the Faction railguns are vastly underpowered when it comes to T2 comparisons. The Dread Railgun has 3km more range and a lot lower fitting, for less damage (a nice option if you want to squeeze more/larger modules onto your ship).

However, the Shadow Serpentis Railgun has vastly reduced range (7km), almost the same fitting as T2, and yet only 0.1x more damage mod. You can get more damage from a T2 Railgun by just having Railgun Spec at III, and having spec at II means you have 0.004 less damage mod.

So ask yourself, in light of this, is it justified that turret users (yes, laser users suffer the same) are at a disadvantage in terms of Faction gear when compared to missile users? After all, we pay the same ISK for a similarly rare module, only to be worse off than when we were using T2?

Tuxford, what's the deelio?

HippoKing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.04.06 19:03:00 - [2]
 

i'm fine with the rail stats. if anything, i'd change the launchers

also, try again with t2 ammo Twisted Evil

Zysco
Petition Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.06 19:12:00 - [3]
 

lol, its mainly cause shadow serp stuff is complete crap.

TheKiller8
Caldari
S.A.S
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.04.06 19:18:00 - [4]
 

I doubt it's worth it unless you're going straight for the best possible variant which probably is a 250mil+ officer variant. But even then you can't use the awesome T2 ammo types that can have a significant impact on damage output. It's probably better to hold on to that money and buy a faction battleship with t2 guns instead.

Testicular Testes
Posted - 2006.04.06 19:20:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Testicular Testes on 06/04/2006 19:21:33
Originally by: HippoKing
i'm fine with the rail stats. if anything, i'd change the launchers

also, try again with t2 ammo Twisted Evil


I didn't know reading comprehension was a T2 ammo type. Seriously buddy, he's complaining about Faction weaponry being crappier than Tech2 and costing a ****load more. He's also right as it happens, except for the part where T2 missiles are the most overpowered thing on the face of the earth (that only leaves faction sieges as a desirable item out of the whole turrets+bays lineup).

It really is quite ******ed. Not only are you missing out on a 25% damage increase or alternatively a range bonus from using t2 ammo, you're getting stuck again with the lack of specialization bonus and a much higher cost. And having to use expensive and hard to aquire faction ammo for PvP (admittedly, only shortrange faction ammo is hard to find, but it still sucks and blows in one).

Not much else to say about it, except that I feel your pain :p

Epsillon
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.04.06 19:24:00 - [6]
 

I would just also like to say that I'm no longer in pursuit of an all out ass-kicking Megathron, but I just felt like I'd point out this discrepancy while it exists.


 

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