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CivrGrrl19
Posted - 2006.04.02 22:32:00 - [1]
 

All I ever hear is "Amarr damage sucks"...

If that is true, then why is everyone using them, soloing level 4s with them, PVPing successfully with them?

It doesn't make any sense. Someone has to be wrong. Either Amarr damage sucks or everyone is using them for some reason. What gives?

Psycarne
Minmatar
Guerrilla Tactics
Posted - 2006.04.02 22:37:00 - [2]
 

It isn't true at all. whoever said that is clueless.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.02 22:42:00 - [3]
 

I've never heard such a thing. Lasers have the highest base damage of any weapon.

On the other hand, Amarr damage bonuses are few and far between, while Minmatar and Gallente ships are covered with them. And EM/therm damage sucks.

Emno
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.04.02 22:44:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
And EM/therm damage sucks.


Only for taking out armour for shields its very nice but as most people armour tank with ew in the mids lasers = teh suck

OrangeAfroMan
Minmatar
AnTi.
Atrocitas
Posted - 2006.04.02 22:46:00 - [5]
 

They do have the highest base DPS and DoT of any race.. gallente and especially Minmatar NEED those damage bonuses on their ships to even compete. He may have been referring to the fact that they are stuck to EM and Thermal damage types though.

Valea Silpha
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2006.04.02 22:46:00 - [6]
 

Lasers do have the highest base damage, probably because of the lack of damage bonuses.

Em/therm isn't a great damage spread for sure, but suck it up ;). Plus against hardened armor or shields all resists are pretty equal, so it doesn't make too much differance.

CptEagle
Gallente
Genius Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.02 23:02:00 - [7]
 

Rolling Eyes They totally eat shields, even tanked shields, they eat tanked armor too because often people use 3 harders but no EM harder. So they only do a bit less good againkst untanked armor.

EvilDobar
Amarr
Ascendancy.
Atlas.
Posted - 2006.04.02 23:08:00 - [8]
 

As an amarr speciallist, have large pusle spec5 etc i can safely say that amarr does not suck in anyway shape or form. Le pwn

Nebuli
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2006.04.02 23:21:00 - [9]
 

Against a BS with the normaly accepting tank set up of Explosive, thermal and kinetic hardners EM is the lowest resist on shield and armour, no idea why people whine so much about EM damage.

Against totaly unhardened ships its the best bar non versus shield and worse against armour, seems fine to me.....

And as for low damage, as said above whoever said that is clueless, Amarr ships dont need damage bonus's, theyre already pre built in to the lazers.

Eximius Josari
New Atlantis Tek Corporation
Posted - 2006.04.03 00:08:00 - [10]
 

I fly Amarr for the most part, I love lasers.

HippoKing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.04.03 00:16:00 - [11]
 

one thing about amarr is for sure: amarr DPS does not suck

they got thit the hardest by the stacking nerf DPS wise, but they still don;t suclk

OrangeAfroMan
Minmatar
AnTi.
Atrocitas
Posted - 2006.04.03 00:35:00 - [12]
 

People dont EM harden armor because, at least for Minmatar, the armor em resist is like 70% base, lol

0rochimaru
Posted - 2006.04.03 00:35:00 - [13]
 

whats so bad about em/thermal damage?

CivrGrrl19
Posted - 2006.04.03 01:36:00 - [14]
 

Well, that is what I'm trying to figure out! Razz

Seems to me that EM could be pretty weak on a lot of armor tanks since people rarely put a priority on tanking EM on an armor tank unless they KNOW they will be facing Amarr!

Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.04.03 01:42:00 - [15]
 

All guns suck if you don't have the skills for them. Also Lasers fire quite fast so the dmg per hit is rather 'low'. Gives an impression of less damage.
I like lasers mainly for the pretty colors that you can give them by using different crystals. Very Happy

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.03 01:48:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: 0rochimaru
whats so bad about em/thermal damage?

Every ship smaller than a BS these days is plated... and often they don't fit any hardeners other than an energized adaptive. Thus EM+therm damage is useless against them.

Also try using lasers against a Muninn.

Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.04.03 01:53:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Also try using lasers against a Muninn.

That's the only thing that ****es me off really. Against minmatar t2 ships every other race than amarr is more effective. Go go roleplay!... not. Sad

Imhotep Khem
Minmatar
Doom Guard
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2006.04.03 02:28:00 - [18]
 

well Em vs. armor you know the resistance is going to be high. Whereas Kinetic or Explosive vs. armor, its only high if the pilot specifically makes it high.

Anyway, Amarr also have superior tracking so they get better quality hits as well.

Steve Buscemi
Minmatar
BlackWater Tactical
E C L I P S E
Posted - 2006.04.03 05:31:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Forsch
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Also try using lasers against a Muninn.

That's the only thing that ****es me off really. Against minmatar t2 ships every other race than amarr is more effective. Go go roleplay!... not. Sad
It is not very different from trying to use hybrids against an eagle or artilleries against a sacrilege. Yeah, some projectile ammo types don't deal explosive but with reduced damage is not going to matter anyway...

Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.03 05:34:00 - [20]
 

Laser damage is not too bad. The reason people say it sucks is because you can counter Lasers with relative ease. You know which two damage types they will hit with - EM/Therm. Harden against these at the Armor level, and you will do will against them. Ammo, while it has many disadvantages (cargo, reload, ect.) does have a strong suit in its versitility - it can switch between damage types, just like Drones can.

Eximius Josari
New Atlantis Tek Corporation
Posted - 2006.04.03 05:35:00 - [21]
 

Bah, only difference between tech 1 minmatar and tech 2 minmatar is how long it takes to crack the egg. Lasers are fine for the most part.

CivrGrrl19
Posted - 2006.04.03 05:42:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
Ammo, while it has many disadvantages (cargo, reload, ect.) does have a strong suit in its versitility - it can switch between damage types, just like Drones can.

Now this is where I get confused.

Seems to be that Gallente is the flavor of the month right now. Gallente suffers from the exact same problem, being that all hybrid guns do only thermal and kinetic damage.

So I don't see how people can say "Gallente FTW" and "Amarr FTL", while maintaining that Amarr is FTL because of its static damage types.

(Dominix is certainly an exception to this, because of its ability to combine drones, nos, ecm to great effect.)

fmercury
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.04.03 05:58:00 - [23]
 

beacuse kin/therm is generally a better combination than em/therm

Hamatitio
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2006.04.03 06:09:00 - [24]
 

yarr?

Kharak'khan
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.04.03 07:21:00 - [25]
 

People fly amarr for lvl4 etc because they have golden ships!

They tank well.

Did i say they were gold yet??

And there is no need to carry ammo.

I fly amarr cause im too poor and lazy to do ammo runs.

Hesed
Amarr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2006.04.03 07:40:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Emno

Only for taking out armour for shields its very nice but as most people armour tank with ew in the mids lasers = teh suck


QFT. Only takes one (1) single midslot to crush a typical Amarr ship. The top tier Amarr ships are good for NPCing and that's about it.. and even then they take ages to do it right when solo.

You wanna use crossfire gang tactics within the all important 20km? Lol.

Drones, Nos and missiles ftw. Turrets are nothing more than support modules and lasers are the bottom of the heap for beam range and pulse tracking in skirmishes.

Reatu Krentor
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
Posted - 2006.04.03 07:41:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Kharak'khan
People fly amarr for lvl4 etc because they have golden ships!

They tank well.

Did i say they were gold yet??

And there is no need to carry ammo.

I fly amarr cause im too poor and lazy to do ammo runs.

Good to know Twisted Evil *takes notes*

Ginaz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.03 08:36:00 - [28]
 

Lasers are fine Rolling Eyes

Think Minnies suck dps wise way more and gallente with their rails suck on range and eat your cap.

Lasers do good dmg, have best tracking, you can adapt to range in like 2 seconds.

Nifel
PAX Technologies
Posted - 2006.04.03 09:57:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: HippoKing
one thing about amarr is for sure: amarr DPS does not suck

they got thit the hardest by the stacking nerf DPS wise, but they still don;t suclk


Minmatar got hit the hardest by the stacking nerf.

Sphalerite
Applied Eugenics
Posted - 2006.04.03 10:08:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: fmercury
beacuse kin/therm is generally a better combination than em/therm


No. EM is always better than kinetic on hardened and unhardened shields, and against most armor tanks. T2 Minmatar ships might be invulnerable to lasers, but every other race gets a bonus to Kinetic resists.

When was the last time you saw a PvP Raven using Kinetic torps, or a Domi using Kinetic drones?


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