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Lord Axius
Posted - 2006.03.11 04:53:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Lord Axius on 11/03/2006 20:42:34
Done.

Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2006.03.11 04:57:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Bosie on 11/03/2006 04:58:10
Refuse the mission, or don't fly what you can't afford to loose.

You can also blame 'folks who whine like you' for the sniping as in the old days there were no sentry guns in low sec so you would have had the chance to pay or die.

Bosie.

Wild Fox
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:01:00 - [3]
 

Welcome to Eve.

Frozen corpses make nice mantel decorations...

Weep more, novice?

Lord Axius
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:06:00 - [4]
 

Uh, there IS no chance to pay. You fools are all so unskilled that you just launch missiles from half a universe away without one word. I fly a frigate so I can replace anything I lose, no big deal. . .but why would the game send you to low-sec space on missions designed for noob players 2 days in and then allow other lame players to take advantage of it?

Taunt more, unskilled fool?

Skidd Chung
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:26:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Skidd Chung on 11/03/2006 05:30:47
Lord Axius, please stop acting like a child. Calm down.

The only reason people stay so far from a gate to shoot your friends is because thats the only way to shoot people in low sec near the gates. They can't be near you because of the sentry guns.

Sorry to hear your friends had this happened to them. Maybe next time they would be more careful when they're flying MORE expensive ships. Better for them to learn this now than later you know.

Missions can be rejected once without penalty (I believe it resets every 4 hours). If you really want to enter low sec, then do the normal routine of checking the map for ships destroyed, pilots in space, etc. Test it out with a shuttle first to see if there are any dangers waiting for you, then if it's clear, get your ship and jump in. Make safespots and keep an eye on local chat for pirates.

Those players are the environment of low sec. They're like the essence of it. Without them low sec loses it's meaning. Yes it's cowardly to kill noobs and lame but I don't think they really care. The sooner you realised it's not all about you, the sooner you get a grip on EVE. It's nothing personal in low sec. Pirates do their thing, just like miners do theirs.

Wise up and stay sharp. It's risky out there thus the rewards are better. No risk less rewards, ya dig? Smile

And personally, I believe it's a blessing in disguise for your friends to experience being helpless and force PVP in low sec this early in the game. Some players are so confident of flying their newly aqquired battleships into low sec gets a nasty surprised when they realised how fast it can be melted and smelted by pirates. If I was a newbie manager, I would sent them all into low sec and slug it out when the clone is still cheap. IMO anyway.

Alexis DeTocqueville
Na Geanna Fiaine
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:30:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Skidd Chung

Those players are the environment of low sec. They're like the essence of it. Without them low sec loses it's meaning. Yes it's cowardly to kill noobs and lame but I don't think they really care. The sooner you realised it's not all about you, the sooner you get a grip on EVE. It's nothing personal in low sec. Pirates do their thing, just like miners do theirs.



Actually, snipers usually set themselves up in the few low-sec highway systems (Ginger Magician comes to mind) and at 0.5-0.4 gates. Belt pirates are more likely in your regular low-sec systems behind the chokepoints.

Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:36:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Lord Axius
You fools are all so unskilled


What is this you business? I live out in 0.0 where there are no sentry guns and all players are heaviy armed and skilled.

I'll tell you this, stick to >0.4 or go back to WoW as all you will get is flamed for your child like rants on our forums.

Bosie.

Skidd Chung
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:36:00 - [8]
 

Alexis, Rancer comes to my mind mostly. Snipers camp highway systems because of the high traffic between empire systems. They are what makes it risky for the short route. Without them, low sec in empire highways are as good as high sec.

Alexis DeTocqueville
Na Geanna Fiaine
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:37:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 11/03/2006 05:48:10
Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 11/03/2006 05:40:07
Originally by: Skidd Chung
Alexis, Rancer comes to my mind mostly. Snipers camp highway systems because of the high traffic between empire systems. They are what makes it risky for the short route. Without them, low sec in empire highways are as good as high sec.


I wasn't disagreeing, just saying that they're rare in comparison with actual belt pirates. Otherwise, let me know where this saturation of gate snipers are, as I've only seen one, and I cruise through Domain/Everyshore low-security areas all the time.

All I was saying in my post was that low-security space wouldn't become "High-Sec Lite" if snipers all went home for a week.

Lord Axius
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:42:00 - [10]
 

Acting like a child? Who's the child? The person obviously taking advantage of game mechanics to grief people (god forbid doesn't even pick up the canisters at gates because he wont get close to them so whats the point if you dont even get loot?) or someone who challenges them to actually play?

If I go and kill someone in my frigate that is in a frigate or higher I don't feel bad, and I wouldn't feel bad if someone did that to me. However, personally I'd be ashamed if I was caught sniping noobs.

My main gripe is not at the idiots that practice these lame tactics, but the game that sends people on lvl 1 storyline missions to these areas? How many times can you skip a mission? Those missions are vital to getting standing with a group and then advancing yourself in Eve.

Obviously, I never venture into low-sec space unless I'm forced to, and I'm careful when I do go there. However, what's the point in the police and sentry guns if they don't work? What's the point in storyline missions if you can't finish them because of pirate constraints. Legitimate questions.

I respect that people have put a lot of time into the game to get these good ships and skills and whatnot. . .but lighten up on the newer folks. We don't think the game is "all about us" but we'd like to at least jump into the .4 sector next to the 1.0 to finish the storyline mission and at least get asked for ransom money. ugh

I guess I'll stay in low-sec space and toil away on the missions I can do and mining and then pay off a mercenary group. Sounds like fair play to me.

Lord Axius
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:43:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Lord Axius on 11/03/2006 05:45:08
Originally by: Bosie
Originally by: Lord Axius
You fools are all so unskilled


What is this you business? I live out in 0.0 where there are no sentry guns and all players are heaviy armed and skilled.

I'll tell you this, stick to >0.4 or go back to WoW as all you will get is flamed for your child like rants on our forums.



Obviously this cvomment was directed at people engaging in these ridiculous noob killing attacks, not you. I'll tell you this, stick to not opening your mouth unless you know what the heck you're talking about.

And btw, they aren't "your" forums.

Lienzo
Minmatar
Amanuensis
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:54:00 - [12]
 

This is how you stay alive:

1)Select a fast ship. Perhaps just enough firepower/cargo to finish your mission. Slasher/Executioner/Atron are great for this. This ship will align for warp quickly much quicker than a destroyer or heavier frigate.

Take your time deciding a location. There is no need to rush. You have half a minute to decide a destination.

2)Arriving safely:
- At a station: look at what planet the station is at. Warp to the planet. Don't linger if an enemy saw you warp there. Warp to a different planet and then to your target planet if you want to throw them off. Warp in at various ranges.

Then look for the square of your station on the screen. Zoom out on your ship until it and the square overlap. Open the scanner and do a nice 15 degree scan. If there are no ships, head to your station and remember to bookmark near the middle of it if you need to return. Keep an eye on anyone that shows up in the guests list and try to guess where their allegiance is.

- For arriving at another gate: warp to the planet or other body nearest the gate. Repeat the scan technique previously mentioned to look for hostiles. If there are none, carry on. If there are no objects near the gate, and there is not more than 2-3 negative people in the system, warp to the gate at 100km, and drop a bookmark right before you come out of warp. Immediately select warp to the bookmark. You should be able to watch from this point if there are hostiles lingering at the gate.

3) Pressing your luck:
If there are hostiles at the gate and highsec freedom on the other side, and you don't have a BM, it is possible to create a crude BM on the fly. Study the moons or other objects around a gate. If there are two that are close to 180 degrees apart on either side of the gate and you are in a shuttle or fast aligning ship, warp in at 15km and drop a bm there. Then warp to the opposite moon with which you should already be aligned. Then return to the original bm and you will be nearly on top of the gate.

When you have a hardened cruiser, or a BC, warping away from a snipe camp is generally easier because of the hp cushion. However, it can be deadly to warp to a station or to try to approach a gate. Slow frigates, destroyers, and low hp cruisers pop very very easilly to snipers.

Alexis DeTocqueville
Na Geanna Fiaine
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:54:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 11/03/2006 05:55:46
You could consider 0.5+ complex running or NPC pirate hunting instead of mission running.

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When you have a hardened cruiser, or a BC, warping away from a snipe camp is generally easier because of the hp cushion. However, it can be deadly to warp to a station or to try to approach a gate.


Because I'm personally curious...MicroWarpDrive? Use it? Or is it not worth the signature inflation?

Nyabinghi
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:58:00 - [14]
 

I plan to put together a service to escort freighters in and out of high risk sectors. Those looking for some safe passage let me know. Check my standings, I'm a friendly. Smile

Alexis DeTocqueville
Na Geanna Fiaine
Posted - 2006.03.11 05:59:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 11/03/2006 05:59:59
Originally by: Nyabinghi
I plan to put together a service to escort freighters in and out of high risk sectors. Those looking for some safe passage let me know. Check my standings, I'm a friendly. Smile


How are you going to protect them from a 175km-distance battleship? The only thing you can do before you yourself are in a battleship is use armor repairers on the freighter, and that assumes the battleship doesn't do the math and turn your ass into meat before returning to destroying the freighter.

Nyabinghi
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2006.03.11 06:05:00 - [16]
 

Well for that scenario I'd have to strategize a bit Wink. But generally I think it be a good service to offer.

Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2006.03.11 06:06:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Lord Axius
Edited by: Lord Axius on 11/03/2006 05:45:08
Originally by: Bosie
Originally by: Lord Axius
You fools are all so unskilled


What is this you business? I live out in 0.0 where there are no sentry guns and all players are heaviy armed and skilled.

I'll tell you this, stick to >0.4 or go back to WoW as all you will get is flamed for your child like rants on our forums.



Obviously this cvomment was directed at people engaging in these ridiculous noob killing attacks, not you. I'll tell you this, stick to not opening your mouth unless you know what the heck you're talking about.

And btw, they aren't "your" forums.


There were two posts above this comment and one was mine, since you talked in plurals you ment me. I know what I am taling about as I have been on both ends of the low sec 150km+ game.

It's crap and boring and they use an alt to gather your can.

Ohh and btw they are our forums not mine, I never claimed them.

Bosie.

Skidd Chung
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Posted - 2006.03.11 06:08:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Skidd Chung on 11/03/2006 06:11:27
Edited by: Skidd Chung on 11/03/2006 06:08:57
Originally by: Lord Axius

My main gripe is not at the idiots that practice these lame tactics, but the game that sends people on lvl 1 storyline missions to these areas? How many times can you skip a mission? Those missions are vital to getting standing with a group and then advancing yourself in Eve.

Obviously, I never venture into low-sec space unless I'm forced to, and I'm careful when I do go there. However, what's the point in the police and sentry guns if they don't work? What's the point in storyline missions if you can't finish them because of pirate constraints. Legitimate questions. [\quote]


When doing missions for your agent, some of them send you to low sec. Whether you're a newbie or not. And as far as I know, they ALWAYS warn you of it. They even give you a choice to whether accept it or not. It's never an ultimatum.

Skipping a mission doesn't end your career in EVE, but accepting it and losing all your money travelling foolishly and not being careful can ruin your career in EVE. Why do the game send this newbies with no guns to low sec? Because it can and it wants to show you low sec is different, it's dangerous with warning signs. How do you as a player, intelligent as you may be perceived this threat? Please don't be a 'Yes, man', and do everything a game tells you to do, it gave you a choice. And your decision will affect your well being.

If someone told you it's dangerous to cross the road, you don't just cross it blindly and get wtfpwned, do you? (quoting a forum member)

Sentry guns deter piracy but do NOT prevent them. Police ships destroy enemy ships only when the crime is already commited. Mainly they are there to prevent exploiting griefers from having a field day without repurcussion.

Storyline missions that can't be completed due to pirate constraints? Really? WOW! Great gaming then. To think a bunch of players can actually stop the game from functioning. To think a game that gives players the powers to change a game. To think a game actually makes you figure your way about a situation you can't control and put you in a tight spot with a mission timer counting down.

To think it's not like any other cookie cutter game out there that gives you a mission and specific instructions to follow a yellow brick road to a red ribboned shoe of +1 pwnage that wtfpwns all enemy within it's glare.Don't you just wonder what it all boils down to? Heh. ugh


Lord Axius
Posted - 2006.03.11 06:09:00 - [19]
 

Yeah, I've studied up on all the ways to stay safe in low sec, just it doesn't seem like much of a defense. Seems like staying alert and then waiting for the bad guys to go to sleep is the best idea.

I'm totally stoked for PVP. Can't wait. I'd just like to be able to do it 1-1 up close where even tho my skills might be lower because I'm newer, I still have a chance. Sniping gates where you know a lot of noobs are passing through seems like griefing to me. Especially when they don't even bother to pick the loot up.Smile




Corunna ElMan
Caldari
Foundation for Uncommon Sense
Posted - 2006.03.11 06:13:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Lord Axius
You fools are all so unskilled that you just launch missiles from half a universe away without one word.
Taunt more, unskilled fool?

How does it feel to be defeated by an unskilled fool? What's that make you?

Seriously, I don't think you belong in EVE. Every time you post, you alienate everyone - even people who aren't at all like those you criticize.

Hell, I'd pod you just because you're likely the largest free standing jackhole in the galaxy.

Lord Axius
Posted - 2006.03.11 06:24:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Lord Axius on 11/03/2006 06:30:40
Edited by: Lord Axius on 11/03/2006 06:26:36
Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Originally by: Lord Axius
You fools are all so unskilled that you just launch missiles from half a universe away without one word.
Taunt more, unskilled fool?

How does it feel to be defeated by an unskilled fool? What's that make you?

Seriously, I don't think you belong in EVE. Every time you post, you alienate everyone - even people who aren't at all like those you criticize.

Hell, I'd pod you just because you're likely the largest free standing jackhole in the galaxy.


Uh, first it wasn't me. . .but if it was, it'd be the "guy that got cruise missiled from 175 kloms off in his rifter by a guy in a raven after I'd only been playing the game a few days". That would also make you a complete frakking moron for trying to use that lame argument.

I think you take that award mister "I don't need to win any popularity contests".








P.S. TROLL!!!!!

Alexis DeTocqueville
Na Geanna Fiaine
Posted - 2006.03.11 06:31:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Lord Axius


I'm totally stoked for PVP. Can't wait.



A word to the wise: Trashtalk (like every post in this thread you've made) is considered fairly unsporting in PvP. Especially if you've just been blown up.

Livia Tarquina
Amarr
Posted - 2006.03.11 06:37:00 - [23]
 

Treat low sec like going into the ghetto and you're the whitest person on earth. Expect to get roughed up. You're looking at EVE like its a traditional game which its not. People are encouraged to be pirates, scoundrels, swindlers, industrialists etc. Most muggers are cowards or desperate or both IRL. So you might as well get used to it. But there are way more generous and friendly people out there willing to help. Just don't wear your noobness on your shoulder and you'll get help.

Lord Axius
Posted - 2006.03.11 06:40:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville
Originally by: Lord Axius


I'm totally stoked for PVP. Can't wait.



A word to the wise: Trashtalk (like every post in this thread you've made) is considered fairly unsporting in PvP. Especially if you've just been blown up.


Obviously I wouldn't. I've been saying that it would be nice for someone to ask for ransom money instead of just blowing folks up. So I wouldn't be talking trash. I've only come back at people obviously trying to be forum jerks in this thread. My initial protest was towards noob snipers. . .so unless anyone here is admitting to it, I wasn't calling them out.

Whenever I get lucky enough to get blown up, I'll just write the persons name down in my notes for later. What goes around comes around.Very Happy

Corunna ElMan
Caldari
Foundation for Uncommon Sense
Posted - 2006.03.11 06:57:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Lord Axius
Uh, first it wasn't me. . .but if it was, it'd be the "guy that got cruise missiled from 175 kloms off in his rifter by a guy in a raven after I'd only been playing the game a few days". That would also make you a complete frakking moron for trying to use that lame argument.

As others have said, insulting people that defeat you is not only unsporting, it's kind of sad. If you get beaten by pond scum, doesn't that make you sub-pond scum?
Quote:
P.S. TROLL!!!!!

Try and understand words before you use them. To "troll" is to post with the intent of drawing inflammatory responses. Your entire thread is trolling, and this isn't the first time. When you troll, don't be surprised to be put down for it.

You're an embarrassment to the EVE community. Please go back to WoW where you fit in.

Lord Axius
Posted - 2006.03.11 07:27:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Originally by: Lord Axius
Uh, first it wasn't me. . .but if it was, it'd be the "guy that got cruise missiled from 175 kloms off in his rifter by a guy in a raven after I'd only been playing the game a few days". That would also make you a complete frakking moron for trying to use that lame argument.

As others have said, insulting people that defeat you is not only unsporting, it's kind of sad. If you get beaten by pond scum, doesn't that make you sub-pond scum?
Quote:
P.S. TROLL!!!!!

Try and understand words before you use them. To "troll" is to post with the intent of drawing inflammatory responses. Your entire thread is trolling, and this isn't the first time. When you troll, don't be surprised to be put down for it.

You're an embarrassment to the EVE community. Please go back to WoW where you fit in.


I guess that would maybe make me a victim. . .

The innocent Jews that got slaughtered by the ****s. . .are they sub-pond scum in your mind?

Also. . .you say I'M the troll and that I'm purposely trying to draw inflammatory responses. Yet you're dumb enough to respond? What does that make YOU?

Seriously kid. . .go back to Logic 101 where you belong and leave this stuff to the big boys and girls.

Alexis DeTocqueville
Na Geanna Fiaine
Posted - 2006.03.11 07:46:00 - [27]
 

This thread is a flaming carwreck on the side of the road.

Brastagi
Caldari
g guild
Posted - 2006.03.11 07:56:00 - [28]
 

Hey lord Axius, your friend should be grateful he lost a frigate. Mine is much worser, I got ganked by two sentry tanking battleships and lost my cruiser in my noob day. Also to add more worse situation they were Russians. Hey I got ****ed off too on that faithfull day. So I had to to use babelfish to smack them in Russian.

Since then I learn how to survive in low sec, and reject any mission that send me to low sec. You CAN reject missions every 4 hours without getting penalty (someone already posted that before, did you read it?) You can even reject storyline agent without penalty also. But don't reject after you accept it, you'll get penalty for that. Just use "I need more detail..." option to see where are you going. And oh check it with the map. (I believe the other already posted that).

Also, please refrain your anger. You'll getting more flames by acting like that. Because your problem was the game mechanic. IT'S NOT ONLY YOU/YOUR FRIEND WHO EXPERIENCES UNFAIR PvP, HECK EVERYONE DOES. Being ganked, so called dishonorable 1 vs 1 because using mwd, dampener, jammer and such, etc.

Also there will be *clickeh* for having your thread degenerated into flamefest.

Lorette
Gallente
Grandma's WIth Guns
Posted - 2006.03.11 09:11:00 - [29]
 

As said earlier the only (well 95% of) gate camps are either at a high sec->low sec gate or a low sec->0.0 gate. Once youre passed those youre generally free to roam about untroubled.

Solution: pick an agent that doesnt have either of those types of gate routes in the same constellation (agents only send you to systems in the same constellation as them). The exception to this rule is storyline missions (and possibly courier but i use kill missions exclusivly).

Setia Kero
Gallente
Posted - 2006.03.11 09:32:00 - [30]
 

This is my second day playing and first on the forums. It goes without saying trolls come in all shapes and sizes, but finding them here on EVE is truly a disappointing find.

Although there's clearly no way for me to be an expert only after two days... even as a total newbie I've discovered basic survival methods that involve:
1) Planning ahead
2) Avoiding places I know I will be killed
3) Accepting loss

No more attention for you! Smile


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