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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.03.07 01:00:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Elrianmk2

Firstly to ask this, Enslaving other members of anouther race is a highly respecting act wouldnt you agree? Destroying anouther culture is again a highly respectful act no? Perhaps it is my clouded mind viewing the real Ammar agenda and trying to warn you.


First of all, Amarr politics and beliefs are theirs. Why would I get upset about them if they dont hurt my wallet or the State.
Gallente tried to destroy the Caldari Culture, or dont you see an orbital bombardment of a civilian planet as that?
And as far as the Amarr agenda is concerned. I must commend you to the fact that YOU alone have revealed an agenda which several empires still are trying to reveal.
Or do you mean the agenda YOU think it is.

Originally by: Elrianmk2

That was never denied and i believe i ackowledged your abilities.However let me stress, in an all out war you do not have the numbers to survive. Against a foe who does not care aout losses you would not prevail.


Well I hope your not a gambler because fr a Civire like me there is nothing like a good battle and if I die I take along as many as I can, aswell as my fellow Caldari brethern and sisters will do.
The Amarr won't attack a strong Caldari simply for one strategical point f vieuw.
Even IF they would succeed in conquering the whole of the Caldari State they would be left weakened like never before and even a small band of pirates would be able to crumble what's left of the Amarr Empire.
They might be zealots, they aren't stupid.

Originally by: Elrianmk2

I take it you are a believer in the return of Caldari prime and the destruction of the Gallante people because we expected you to pay your way in the Federation?


Well the return of Caldari prime would be enough in my humble eyes. I don't see the need of the destruction of potential customers.
As the expectence of the federation to get paid ( I recall more something like GIVE all assets to the Federation or atleast put them all under Federation control, which comes to the same in my book)
from the Caldari assets. Simply put, as soon as there were Caldari that didn't see the need of being governed by the Gallente the gallente responce was a blockade which at some point made it for inhabitants of Caldari prime to live in freedom. Even though THEY weren't a part of the Caldari that wanted freedom.
Some Caldari got brought to the brink by the Gallente shameless show of power that they responded. unfortunatly with the loss of some lives.
In return the gallente federation started an orbital bombardment of a civilian planet.
So ya know what, Pay the State what yer due to pay as the federation or we will starve you. Very democratic, isn't it..


Originally by: Elrianmk2

Whereas enslaving people is perfictly acceptable? oh and not to mention accepting of other cultures beliefs, like ohh i dont know the right to be free?


Like the Caldri wanted to be free?

Originally by: Elrianmk2

No we seek to ensure the freedom of as many as we can, rather than the short term profit to be made in a conflict.


Instead of meddling in those affairs ya might wanna clean up yer federation first, reports allready show your way over your democratic heads.

Originally by: Elrianmk2

As i recall the Caldari made the first moves in that sordid affair, and niether side did what was right. As a response to your comment about our pilots skills, we both fought each other to a standstill, we had numbers and used them, you had tech and used that. The fact our ships were not as good as yours does not reflect on the pilots.


Your history teacher is very effective of one sided colouration of events.
First move the Caldari made was start a small business of themselves. The occurances after that was mainly a result of tnhe harsh Federation responce to the freedom seeking Caldari.


Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2006.03.07 07:23:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Elrianmk2
As i recall the Caldari made the first moves in that sordid affair


Surely when the Federation blockaded Caldari Prime they expected consequences? Perhaps not on the scale of what the Nouvelle Rouvenor heroes achieved, but nevertheless the Caldari of the time would not bend to threats.

Originally by: Elrianmk2
Now i hope that you will stop painting me with the same brush as you paint the rest of the Gallante.


Why? You spit the same rhetoric as most Federals do. The Caldari did not make the first move in the war.

You can consider the drowning of Nouvelle Rouvenor as the reaping of what you had sown when you tried to intimidate the Caldari.

Elrianmk2
Gallente
Posted - 2006.03.07 11:14:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Killer
And as far as the Amarr agenda is concerned. I must commend you to the fact that YOU alone have revealed an agenda which several empires still are trying to reveal.


The statments made by the Amarr group, Tetrimon, that the "religeous duty of all Ammar, is to bring all other races to an enlightened state through slavery and indoctrination" speaks for itself. Forgive me if that suggests something about thier agenda to me. Something Covered in here.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=299295
and the 31st comment on this page.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=301914&page=2

Originally by: Killer
Well I hope your not a gambler because for a Civire like me there is nothing like a good battle and if I die I take along as many as I can, as well as my fellow Caldari brethern and sisters will do.


I will re-iterate, i do not doubt your courage nor your determination, i understand that your state education leaves you unable to deal with individual concepts like a non-endoursed point of view, but try to read what i have stated again. Simply put, you cannot fight off the Ammar once they have "enlightened" all the other races. Admitadly they shall not do so while they are in an extended position, they will consolidate thier position first.
In My opinion, the only way the Ammar can continue with the reclaiming of thiers is if the Cladari state engages the Gallante. Which given your attitudes towards us hardly would need any encouragment.

Originally by: Killer
As the expectence of the federation to get paid ( I recall more something like GIVE all assets to the Federation or atleast put them all under Federation control, which comes to the same in my book)


The reason that those penalties were demanded was due to the fact the Caldari people ignored the laws of the federation. The only people that would have been affected by this would have been the corperations who were in the wrong. Now, admitadly niether i nor you have access to the records of exactly what happened, but shortly after this Nouvelle Rouvenor was bombed and all the population was anhilated. The Caldari corperations supported the break from the federation and so with the Gallante government in disaray, the right wing government was voted into power. As i have said before it is something i am not proud of in the federations history.

Originally by: Killer
Some Caldari got brought to the brink by the Gallente shameless show of power that they responded


Im sorry, perhaps i misunderstood you, the attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor was justified due to a blockade on your homeworld?

Originally by: Killer
Instead of meddling in those affairs ya might wanna clean up yer federation first, reports allready show your way over your democratic heads.


Yes the Federation has a couple of problems at this point in time. The political posturing and threats by our nieghbours is causing more right wing elements to gain power, which is a dangerous situation. That being said however if we were to completely ignore our nieghbours and become intorverted then we would either be "blessed" by the Ammar and brought into a "happy" enlightening, even though billions would be destroyed. But that isnt too much of an issue, it should allow you to make some more Isk on the suffering of others.
One of the ways that we can defuse the issues is by having a non agression pact with each other. this would effectivly prevent the Ammar from engaging in a new holy war, and would allow you to make more profit. After all if the Minmatar and Gallante were to be enslaved, you would lose two thirds of your market. Although i can only surmise that politicians will play thier games and millions will die, all in the name of power.

Elrianmk2
Gallente
Posted - 2006.03.07 11:18:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Killer
Your history teacher is very effective of one sided colouration of events.
First move the Caldari made was start a small business of themselves. The occurances after that was mainly a result of tnhe harsh Federation responce to the freedom seeking Caldari.


May i return the compliment to your teachers as well. I am willing to learn more of others perceptions, it seems a pity you do not wish to do the same.


Now to anouther well educated Caldari,


Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Surely when the Federation blockaded Caldari Prime they expected consequences? Perhaps not on the scale of what the Nouvelle Rouvenor heroes achieved, but nevertheless the Caldari of the time would not bend to threats.


Whereas siding with rebles should incur no penalties? Your heros resulted in the formation of the right wing government that bombed your planet. This i suppose was justifiable in your opinion as it allowed you to break from the federation cleanly. I assume this is similar to the expresion to "Burn your boats" ensuring that those who did not conform with the new state would be removed and become martyrs to continue your "cause"? Forgive me if i seem cynical but i am tired of the relentless hate i see coming from some Caldari. In my opinion, you would be welcom to return to Caldari Prime, as long as it was a civilian population that was returning, and only defensive wepaons were built on the planet surface with a range of no more that 50 000Km. That being said, i am fairly sure you will twist my comments into a demand for a sacrifice or some such nonsence, so to head off those comments, the reason that they should be non-military personal, is to maintain the peace, and no other reason. Our military have enough reasons to dislike each other without letting them get within striking distance of each other. Civilians however should be safe as long as that nutcase doesnt make office, if he does, i am moving to Caldari space perminantly and will fight his forces.

Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Why? You spit the same rhetoric as most Federals do. The Caldari did not make the first move in the war.


Please see my above comments regarding the outbreak of hostilities. To add to that, i have to ask, do you believe that the attempted seccesion of a people from an empire to find thier own state which is armed and on your boarders, using tech that was initially supplied by the said Empire, even if improved on, is perfectly acceptable? If the Caldari had been willing to pay tax on thier exploration and involve the federation this would never have been an issue. Yes it may have been slower due to the red tape involved, but the federation would have been destroyed if it had not responded.

Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
You can consider the drowning of Nouvelle Rouvenor as the reaping of what you had sown when you tried to intimidate the Caldari.


By the same token, do you regard the orbital bombardment of your homeworld by the government who you indirectly put in place to be justifiable? By your reasoning, it seems an acceptible response for the attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor.

I am trying to maintain a civil tone here, but you do make it difficult.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.03.07 13:01:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Killer Gandry on 07/03/2006 13:00:58
Gallente-Caldari War: The early days
By the time the Gallente Federation was founded two centuries ago the Caldari Corporations were already well established in Caldari society. Although not nearly as powerful as they are today, they were still preeminent in Caldari economic life.
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallenteans and the Caldari some three hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari Corporations had started their own inter-stellar surveying and colonization, separate from those conducted by the Gallenteans. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latter’s defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.
What made the situation so tense right from the start was the situation on Caldari Prime. Being located in the same solar system as Gallente Prime made the Gallenteans very nervous and, more importantly, a sizeable Gallentean population was living on Caldari Prime. Right after the Caldari defected from the Federation they focused on securing the jump gates leading to their (once) hidden bases, as those bases provided the backbone to the Caldari military infrastructure at that time. At the same time the Gallenteans moved their fleet into orbit around Caldari Prime and started blocking the planet.
For the next few days nothing much happened. The Caldari were content to sit by the jump gates, while the Gallenteans were debating how to best negotiate a peace agreement. But the Caldari on Caldari Prime were restless. They found the Gallente blockade intolerable and soon small-scale guerrilla activities escalated into all out hostilities. In the end the Gallente population on the planet had to pay the price for the Federation’s indecisiveness.
The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable – the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. Soon, the Caldari population had been driven to the mountains and the forests; their resistance getting weaker by the day. The only question was: how would the newly formed Caldari State respond?

Well by now we know the responce.

The Gallente try to pose themselves as helpers of the opressed Minmatar, but in their history they showed allready that they have the same background as the Amarr they supposedly oppose.
The Caldari had more then enough of the Federation meddling in Caldari affairs, and when they said it was enough the gallente thought that a show of might would break the Caldari spirit.

Their plan backfired like mad and instead of being honest about it they try to look like victims.
Well your no hair better then those that you call slavers. You might call yerselves another name, but the sentiment is the same.
Minmatar should be carefull hopping over to the Federation. They might just switch masters instead of finding help.


Elrianmk2
Gallente
Posted - 2006.03.07 13:36:00 - [96]
 

At least we are willing to help. how long will you hold this cherished infamy to your chest? Cossiting it and protecting it? You are obviously right, we should have give you all your assets, disband the federation, and slit our wrists to make you all feel better.

How about this for an idea, i know it could be difficult to accept as it doesnt fit in with your schooling regime.

The Gallante tried to make contact with the Caladari long before you were able to respond, which i believe is evidence of superior tech, if i seemed to suggest that the Caldari were living in caves shortly before the segregation, it was not my intention.

The Caldari mega-corp system was brought about as a direct result of your interaction with the Gallante.
Yes we discovered the jumpgates together, which implies we were quiet closely allied for some time. The events i am discussing have nothing to do with the time before the formation of the federation. You signed the accords which gave birth to the Federation. Which means you were willing to be bound by the laws of the federation.

Do you as a Caldari believe that it is right to break contract with your co-signatories? I could expect this of some Gallante, because we havent quiet got the same grasp on honour as you do. However, you break the laws of the federation, hold our people hostige, slaughtering half a million people and expect no response?

The crises in government was brought about by Caldari actions and you well know it. Stop trying to avoid your own responsibility in this. I accept the Gallante's faults, but as we Gallante say, it takes two to tango.

Originally by: Killer
It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.


Originally by: Killer
while the Gallenteans were debating how to best negotiate a peace agreement


Is it worse for your people to abide by the treatise signed by your ruling members or destroy any attempts at a peaceful outcome?

I shall ensure i shall never do business with you Mr Gandry, you seem to hold the agreements made by a lawful body to be non-binding and furthermore your indocrination by the Caldari state leaves you closed to discussion on this matter. It is a pity as i have enjoyed this discussion, although i was hoping you would focus more on the events immediatly surrounding the segregation of our peoples. I am no historian, and it would appear that a hacking attempt is preventing me from getting to the historical archives to confirm your statments. I hope to continue this discussion once my information sources are once again available. Untill then, fly safe.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.03.07 17:07:00 - [97]
 

Does it hurt a lot that a group of near cavedwellers surpassed you that much technologically?

Yes tehre was an agreement, but this didn't mean that ALL of the Caldari ventures would be subjegated under gallente Federation Government, which is one thing most Gallente still think was the agreement.

The Gallente sitting back and wallowing in drugs and pleasures saw that honest Caldari businessmen and women were building something for themselves aswell. And it was prospering a lot more then what the gallente tried to breath life into.

Out of common jealousy and greed the gallente made a demand for which they had NO right.

If the Gallente think that caving into extortion is a political means to the end then so be it. Caldari have something called a backbone. Something the gallente federation might develop aswell if evolution thinks they have use for it.

All gallente were pushing forward was the Gallente side of the story. Not a single Gallente official even took the time to look at the agreement and the Federation just wanted to steral from hard working Caldari.

I for one will allso fight till the end to keep what I build and I fought for to create. If you think that that's a bad thing I sugest to transfer all your belongings to the Federation and become a Federation puppet.
We Caldari don't have the stomach for that kind of crap.

It was your precious federation that was indecisive and prolonged a potential hazardous situation till it ignited.
If I hold a stick of dynamite with a lite fuse and wait till it explodes, is it the dynamites fault or me being an ignorant backpart of the human anatomy for holding onto it too long.

Yes the fuse is nice and sparkly to look at, but in the end it sayd BOOOOM. and then the whining begins that it exploded.



Elrianmk2
Gallente
Posted - 2006.03.07 21:36:00 - [98]
 

Who lit the fuse? The Caldari, plain and simple, your people initiated the actions that led up to the break from the federation.

Get over it, seriously, ranting about how evil the Gallante were for responding to your actions is beguining to become tiresome.

Jerek Laz
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.03.07 22:06:00 - [99]
 

Well surely the Gallente had much in the way of small print, not to say a rather larger armed force to "take care of the Caldari". When presented with a shark like grin, no wonder the Caldari set up their own, self determined colonies, free of your corruption.

However, it raises an itneresting point; does this mean that the Gallente feel they are entitled to claim, via use of threatened force, other planets by right

If so, then maybe we are not so different... slavery is a binding contract after all.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.03.07 22:14:00 - [100]
 

Ow ya small minded Gallente ( must be an efect of Democracy and drug abuse)

Ya all rant about the Amarr how zealous they are and bla bla bla.
Yet don't you do the same to them now as you try to do to the innocent Caldari?

You fence with the Order of Tertrimon and the zealot CVA pilots, you call the Amarr bad. So easy it is to call Amarr your problem and then make the whole race look like it by example of a few that you don't like.

Same you tried to do with the peacefull Caldari.

The agreement you proudly fence with was an agreement which the Federation changed accordingly to the Gallente wishes.
Since they had a majority on the Federation board that wasn't a problem. Or atleast they thought so.

Some brave Caldari had no lust in your sceming and broke off and what does the allmighty federation do. Blockade a civilian planet thus lighting a fuse themselves, and then when the fireworks pop they try to look like sheep ( well they allready did and still do but that's besides the point)

So yes, the Caldari had no intrest whatsoever to follow an agreement which the Gallente adjusted to their whims.

Shove that one up yer nose along with some drugs.


Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2006.03.08 01:38:00 - [101]
 

Elrian, get over it, seriously, ranting about how evil the Caldari were for responding to your actions is beginning to become tiresome.

Logan Xerxes
Xerxes Security
Posted - 2006.03.08 06:10:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Logan Xerxes on 08/03/2006 06:10:14
I advise my fellow caldari not to bother with argusing with Elrian anymore. An idiot will just drag you down to his level and beat you with expiriance. I wonder if he's eaten any SuVee protein packs...

Elrianmk2
Gallente
Posted - 2006.03.08 10:48:00 - [103]
 

*Bursts out laughing*

Ahem excuse me, let me see if I understand this correctly, I am an idiot for disagreeing with state teachings I guess. Ahh well never mind. I had hoped to initially point out the constant comments by Caldari were groundless. Yes we did destroy your homeworld. Our actions were taken to defend the federation from the separatist movements initiated by the Caldari.

Mr Laz, as far as I am aware, and I do admit that you may be able to "manufacture" evidence to the contrary, but when did the Minmatar agree to become slaves and be treated as vermin, or animals? Furthermore where is the evidence that ANY of the races you have enslaved entered into the agreement at first contact knowing all the terms of such an agreement? Your argument is therefore invalid.

Mr Gandry, may I ask one last question of you before your colleagues end this discussion if they are able to influence you in such a matter.

As a member of the federation, did you or did you not have Caldari representatives on the "Board" if you will? Who would be as able to affect Federation policy and to negate any demands that would subjugate their people? I am astounded that you believe that we are so capable in the political arena. Our present government have shown how effective they are, the attacks on our federation, and the huge influx of Minmatar refugee's providing apple evidence of our ability to manipulate everything in the Federation. Perhaps time has removed our political power or abilities, but I would suggest that it would not have destroyed it completely. Incidentally, I do not take drugs, nor have I as far as I am aware. Excluding, of course, medically required drugs and painkillers after various operations. No more than I would expect a Caldari to use.

Mr Xerxes, I ask that you refrain from slander, it does not become you. If I have some facts incorrect and you can prove so then the term mis-informed would suffice. Do not mistake my cognitive ability with my ability to recall facts in an event I was not at, or have ready access to the information involved. If you have no interest in the discussion, please absent yourselves from this conversation. If I receive no responses to my comments this will fade from the channels as anyone should expect.

Jerek Laz
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.03.08 14:55:00 - [104]
 

My argument is flawed? nay, for all beings are part of the Covenant with the Lord, and thus, all are subject to His law. Thus, yes, the Matar were bound in contract with something even more powerful than lawyers: God almighty.

However, the issue here is the sovereignty of the Caldari State and their fundamental right to property and self determination.

As far as I can determine, the Caldari had a corporate structure in place, already finding its feet; any business has a right to explore ventures that can expand its profit margin and technological know how; the discovery of the jump gates, before Federation formation, was therefore perhaps a business venture.

As per the formation of the federation, perhaps your liberal state may now plead innocence, but I can imagine that the Gallente probably had the largest stakehold in it and thus Caldari structure and independance were tied closely to it. The Corporation, wishing to operate in a free market, found themselves restricted, so opted to develop their own business ventures.

Where does it say that a private investor falls immediately under federation jurisdiction? Does that mean that, should I pas through Gallente space and am therefore under its jurisdiction whilst there, then pass into unclaimed territory and locate, say a large Omber roid, that that becomes Federation property? Just because I, whilst within Federation boundaries, subscribed to your laws does not mean that I must adhere to them beyond your borders.

Frankly, I see that as private investors regarding property, the Caldari were well within their rights, whilst the Gallente merely wanted a piece of the pie, so to speak...

As per our own parallels, well, I make no bones: we did as per our culture dictated, which is that we reclaimed those teritories that belong to God and, in his wisdom, elected to enslave the Matari to better enlighten them. But this is not the arena to discuss Amarr foreign policy. Too many topics get hijacked by emotive language and there are better places to discuss that issue.

What is being debated here is Gallente hypocrisy and arrogance along with the right of the Caldari to operate their own approach.

Sunedyal Na'Shalorian
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.03.09 23:57:00 - [105]
 

*continues to monitor the GalNet to see who responds first*

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.03.10 05:56:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Elrianmk2
Get over it, seriously, ranting about how evil the Gallante were for responding to your actions is beguining to become tiresome.


You being a fool, or simply doing a good job of acting like one, is equally as tiresome. I know the Gallente schools are sub-standard except in propaganda, but really, come back to reality and stop acting like your Federation was so innocent.

I don't see the Gallente acting to kindly towards the Intaki either. Funny how your Federation can't even learn from its own past.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.03.10 06:36:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Elrianmk2
Yes we did destroy your homeworld. Our actions were taken to defend the federation from the separatist movements initiated by the Caldari.


Its comments like those that allow us to show you Gallente as the scum you are, without even trying.

"Hey those Caldari don't want to be treated like second-rate citizens anymore and want to leave the Federation."

"Damn, we can't have that. Better blockade them, then kill millions of them once we provoke a reaction from one of their groups."

Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.03.10 08:23:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 10/03/2006 08:24:00
Quote:
The statments made by the Amarr group, Tetrimon, that the "religeous duty of all Ammar, is to bring all other races to an enlightened state through slavery and indoctrination" speaks for itself. Forgive me if that suggests something about thier agenda to me.


It should be pointed out that the Tetrimon are the extreme conservatives of Amarran politics, and are hardly Orthodox.

So that your pathetic Gallente brain can understand what this means, it would be as if the Caldari here were quoting the most radical of Blaques supporters as an excuse for saying all Gallente were of that view.

If we continue to follow the path we have been for the last hundred years the Amarran Faith will be spread by peaceful and not militarisic means. Which would mean that even hedonist gallente like yourself would have nothing to fear from us.

Of course, whether that peaceful strategy can be maintained in the face of Matari terrorism and Gallente intolerance of others beliefs is another question entirely.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.03.10 14:53:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Killer Gandry on 10/03/2006 14:53:26
Well Mister Lokri, I allready tried to explain to the simpleton that by comparing all of the Amarrians with the Tetrimon he's doing the same as he acusses people of.

It just won't land.

Even the most sturdy of plants must land on a soil that atleast has some nourishment.
And he claims he's so open minded, but he can't look passt his limited nose and thus is the prime example of the one thing he just loves to hate.

I pitty him for he's actually in a viscious circle which he himself doesn't even grasp.

I am not going to waste time to educate him. But seeing that Amarr have much more stamina in uhm... educating people I wish you best of luck.


Sunedyal Na'Shalorian
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.03.10 22:26:00 - [110]
 

It seems that we have managed to pull almost everyone in on this. So, I shall pose a few questions to all the differing people involved in this topic of discussion:

1. What dealings have you had in the past with the Caldari State that deviated from the assigned contract?

2. What is your particular stance and viewpoint on the Caldari State (good and bad)?

3. If you had the choice, what market would you be more willing to invest in? (ie Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar)

4. Which type of vessels to you prefer to pilot? (Gallente, Caldari blah blah blah)

5. How often do you spend time associating with Caldari? Not just podpilots but normal citizens of the mighty State?

This is designed to move the debate on a bit and perhaps stir up some very original opinions and view points.

Honestly, I can't comment on anything that has recently been said. Mainly due to the fact that anything i would have said has already been spoken and I loathe useless redundancy.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.03.10 23:14:00 - [111]
 


1. What dealings have you had in the past with the Caldari State that deviated from the assigned contract?

My dealings in the passt with the State and my current contracts are of no concern with anyone else then me.
I don't see any reason to discuss or disclosure any of my contracts without my business partners willing to give full disclosure.
And then I would still not reveal any of my contracts.

2. What is your particular stance and viewpoint on the Caldari State (good and bad)?

I am born a Tube. My father and my mother are the State. they gave me life and a purpose.
I hold the State in the highest regards and if the State calls upon me I will head that call and do as the State needs me.
Friends of the State have nothing to fear from me. Enemies of the State only at the point the State deems them as termination ready.


3. If you had the choice, what market would you be more willing to invest in? (ie Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar)

Well, looking at it several ways.
A: Want to drive business with people that actually know how to do business then I would go and invest in Caldari.
B: If going for high profit but equally high risk I would choose Minmatar space. Ships, ammo and weapons sell well there. Problem is that you run more risk of business partners that aren't trustworthy.
C: In certain market segments the Gallente space is profitable, Mostly drugs, holoreals and some other minor illegal substances. Allso investment in housing project for future Federation members could be profitable.
Only problem there is that the Federation is an organistation which loves to claim Caldari possesions for the Federation. Not a reliable business partner.
D: Amarr market might hold a lower profit margin, but most Amarr are reliable, their word is allmost as strong as a firm contract. Specially those that follow the faith.

So all in all I would choose Caldari space first and Amarr space second, the other 2 are just too uhm... unbelievable.

4. Which type of vessels to you prefer to pilot? (Gallente, Caldari blah blah blah)

Caldari ships. It's not for nothing that the Raven is the most popular ship out there.

5. How often do you spend time associating with Caldari? Not just podpilots but normal citizens of the mighty State?

Since I run most business in Caldari State I associate with them allmost daily.


Sunedyal Na'Shalorian
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.03.10 23:51:00 - [112]
 

Can always rely on Killer providing a detailed answer to my questions posed. Thanks for the quick response Killer.

Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2006.03.11 00:10:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 11/03/2006 00:11:55
1. What dealings have you had in the past with the Caldari State that deviated from the assigned contract?

I had to react quickly to a Republic Fleet "Dakana" genocide squad that intelligence had reported as "Thukker Mercenaries"

2. What is your particular stance and viewpoint on the Caldari State (good and bad)?

The State raised me. It is what accomodates me, and it has given me the technology to seek higher things. For this, I devote my life to serving the State and it's interest.

3. If you had the choice, what market would you be more willing to invest in? (ie Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar)

Caldari first, Amarr probably second.

4. Which type of vessels to you prefer to pilot? (Gallente, Caldari blah blah blah)

Caldari.

5. How often do you spend time associating with Caldari? Not just podpilots but normal citizens of the mighty State?

Frequently.

Sunedyal Na'Shalorian
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.03.11 00:24:00 - [114]
 

than kyou for your response. :)

come on guys, i know there are some gallente and amarr that can barely contain themselves and surely want to reply!

Elrianmk2
Gallente
Posted - 2006.03.11 11:03:00 - [115]
 

Firstly may offer my apologies for not replying sooner, i have bee ill and as such unable to connect to Galnet.
If i may respond to the PIE Inc member, thank you for correcting my Ignorance i assumed that as your religeous advisors were allowing them back into the fold they were tactically agreeing to thier demands of the reclaiming.

Quote:
"Hey those Caldari don't want to be treated like second-rate citizens anymore and want to leave the Federation."

"Damn, we can't have that. Better blockade them, then kill millions of them once we provoke a reaction from one of their groups."


Who initiated the attacks? Who initiated the rift between our peoples? At every turn the Gallante must defend themselves from close minded ignorant fools who refuse to see the truth of the matter. Oh and as a smal matter of interest for members of other Nations, the Federation is currently headed by an Intaki. Perhaps this fact suggests that the Intaki people have things as they want them. I am aware of the support for independance by some POD pilots, however i do not hear of any mass rallies by the planetside populace of Intaki worlds demanding seperation. Perhaps you sould stop trying to break up a strong and united people. Yes we have issues, but we resolve them together, unlike some races.

1. What dealings have you had in the past with the Caldari State that deviated from the assigned contract?
None as yet, although that may be more to do with thepeople i choose to deal with rather than the nation.

2. What is your particular stance and viewpoint on the Caldari State (good and bad)?
My personal opinion of the state is not too good. The assistance of the Caldari Navy with Amarr slave raids in our systems needs to stop before this improve for a vast majority of the Gallante people.

3. If you had the choice, what market would you be more willing to invest in? (ie Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar)
Gallante and Caldari.

4. Which type of vessels to you prefer to pilot? (Gallente, Caldari blah blah blah)
Gallante, as powerful as a Caldari ship is, would not count on thier willingness to assist people without a charge of some sort.

5. How often do you spend time associating with Caldari? Not just podpilots but normal citizens of the mighty State?
[b]I am currently based in Caldari space, mainly due to my associates, who are both Gallante and Caldari. It is a pity some cannot see past the propaganda far enough to realise the benifits of working together far outwiegh the past between our people.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.03.11 13:14:00 - [116]
 

Well, lookie what crawled in from under his asteroid.

Seeing ya hate the Caldari and don't even wanna interact with them, go and leave caldari space.
Ow, wait. for business it's better to work in Caldari Space.

The initial aggression came from the Gallente. But it seems there is only one way to hammer that into that girly head of yours.

As for intaki now running the seats. They have been under Gallente control long enough and I am more then sure they are nothing more then Gallente puppets with carefull instructions/ Only placed in those seats to prevent the mass bye bye from Intaki, which you saw comming a long time ago allready.


Logan Xerxes
Xerxes Security
Posted - 2006.03.11 15:12:00 - [117]
 

Quote:
I am currently based in Caldari space, mainly due to my associates, who are both Gallante and Caldari. It is a pity some cannot see past the propaganda far enough to realise the benifits of working together far outwiegh the past between our people.

This is somehting both sides forget far too much. I persanally like the Gallente better than the Amarr.

Karl Mattar
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2006.03.11 18:22:00 - [118]
 

1. What dealings have you had in the past with the Caldari State that deviated from the assigned contract?

I occasionally get a contract with bad intel. But then it's usually a determined effort by an enemy of the State.

2. What is your particular stance and viewpoint on the Caldari State (good and bad)?

The State is the end result. Any and all actions the preserve or advance the State is a good thing. The ends justify the means.

3. If you had the choice, what market would you be more willing to invest in? (ie Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar)

Caldari first. Amarr is also a lucrative market, with good relations. I'll deal with the Gallente and Minmatar markets, but it's not my first choice.

4. Which type of vessels to you prefer to pilot? (Gallente, Caldari blah blah blah)

Caldari exclusively.

5. How often do you spend time associating with Caldari? Not just podpilots but normal citizens of the mighty State?

I exclusively employ Caldari. Deteis in positions of management, and Civire as manpower. I find their natural tendencies optimize our success this way. I do not employ outsiders of any sort.

Seto Mazzarotto
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.03.11 18:39:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Jerek Laz
Well surely the Gallente had much in the way of small print, not to say a rather larger armed force to "take care of the Caldari". When presented with a shark like grin, no wonder the Caldari set up their own, self determined colonies, free of your corruption.

However, it raises an itneresting point; does this mean that the Gallente feel they are entitled to claim, via use of threatened force, other planets by right

If so, then maybe we are not so different... slavery is a binding contract after all.


Very Happy

I like how the man's mind works.

Elrianmk2
Gallente
Posted - 2006.03.11 22:23:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Killer
The initial aggression came from the Gallente. But it seems there is only one way to hammer that into that girly head of yours.


It appears pointless trying to have a civalised debate with the Caldari. I shall let you carry on in your misguided ways untill the Ammar claim you.

I would say fly with honour, but you have obviously decided that honour is worthless.


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