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Sunedyal Na'Shalorian
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.02.17 17:55:00 - [1]
 

All the drama going on within the Amarr Empire makes me jealous. I've been out of the loop for a bit, and was wondering if we had any comparable drama going on within the mighty State?

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.02.17 18:27:00 - [2]
 

Drama is something trivial which the State doesn't have or make time for.
The Caldari State is and and allways will be. The time spend on some sort of drama is better used to increase marketshares and business.

Other then the other empires the Caldari State doesn't have the problems they have.
We haven't enslaved people so no freedom fighters to worry about.
We don't have former owners which we now need to destroy just so we feel better.
We haven't got a race in our middst that feels a need for independance.
We don't have a random chosen leader to fill a certain need for the time being.

So if you look for drama go over to those that embrace it or just conduct bussiness and enlarge your financial status and marketshare.


Sunedyal Na'Shalorian
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.02.17 18:54:00 - [3]
 

Ah but you see, drama adds flavor to the quest for financial gain! You can't deny that you find some amusement in the Amarrian religious rhetoric, Minmatarrian ravings, Gallente bigotry and Jovian secrecy? I find all of these highly amusing. I would think that any true Caldari, secure in our technological and market superiority, would look upon these on goings as a chance to learn from observation.

Perhaps you should look around at the other races and see what is going on. A working knowledge of their maketplace, and the health of the minds involved in it, in relation to our own can only lead to further prosperity for the State.

Then again, that does require observation and very few people have the patience, let alone time, to research into their economical and political opponents.

Gavin Paradise
Alien Ruffneck Force
Ignes Immortalis
Posted - 2006.02.17 18:56:00 - [4]
 

Drama? State drama? I think not.

Every good Caldari, whether Deteis or Civre, knows that such things only slow us down.

Now, if you want REAL social intreague... I suggest you join with one of the 0.0 alliances.

Those boys carry drama around like it was going out of fashion. Razz

/emote Gavin Paradise reaches for his /sarcasm off button, however, someone has stolen it. But WHO?

Sunedyal Na'Shalorian
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.02.17 19:00:00 - [5]
 

Hah! Not likely! I just recently graduated from the State War Academy and my chances of surviving the type of "drama" that occurs in 0.0 are relatively....well slim seems an understatement.

Perhaps I should rephrase this, any new political intrigues going on? Any new major battles being fought? Any new political or market shifts? These things are of importance and should be considered.

It is good to be back.

Syric Amarust
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
Posted - 2006.02.17 19:56:00 - [6]
 

I don't follow much of the state matters, but I do know that there are some Caldari currently that are attempting to help the Intaki achieve independence from the Gallente. The Mordus Legions are only getting stronger. If you are looking into the roleplay, contact some of the Mercenaries that are attempting to aid Intaki in their struggles, im certain some people will accept another persons aid with open arms.

Sunedyal Na'Shalorian
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.02.17 20:05:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Syric Amarust
I don't follow much of the state matters, but I do know that there are some Caldari currently that are attempting to help the Intaki achieve independence from the Gallente. The Mordus Legions are only getting stronger. If you are looking into the roleplay, contact some of the Mercenaries that are attempting to aid Intaki in their struggles, im certain some people will accept another persons aid with open arms.


This is an intriguing possibility. Unfortunately my corp and the alliance we are proud to belong to, is engaged in a war at this time. Until these hostilities are terminated, or the rival corporations and their alliance is, i most likely will not be able to aid the Intaki in their bid for freedom from their disgusting oppresors.

I will, however, keep this in mind as an avenue to pursue when I am free from the war effort and my duties involved therein.

Contact me via mail if you would like my assistance and I will most likely be able to give you a more concrete timeframe where I could become involved.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.02.18 01:33:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Sunedyal Na'Shalorian
Ah but you see, drama adds flavor to the quest for financial gain! You can't deny that you find some amusement in the Amarrian religious rhetoric, Minmatarrian ravings, Gallente bigotry and Jovian secrecy?


I don't need amusement, I sell that to Gallente.
I don't need religion. The State is all I need.
I see no use for ravings. It distracts from sales.
And when it comes to secrecy the Joves might be good but they certainly arent the best when it comes to keeping secrets.


Originally by: Sunedyal Na'Shalorian

I find all of these highly amusing. I would think that any true Caldari, secure in our technological and market superiority, would look upon these on goings as a chance to learn from observation.


A true Caldari only needs a good nose as where the sales are going down. If there is a war or struggle make sure yer selling weapons, ships and ammo near it or contact both parties and strike a deal to deliver the goods.
If there is a famin somewhere just sell supplies to those that feel the need to help them.
If there is anything a true Caldari needs it's to know when to sell what and where.

Originally by: Sunedyal Na'Shalorian

Perhaps you should look around at the other races and see what is going on. A working knowledge of their maketplace, and the health of the minds involved in it, in relation to our own can only lead to further prosperity for the State.


There are plenty of hostilities around the Universe to ensure a steady flow of sales. As for health of the minds involved in it I can hardly see any healthy minds in a religious biggot, a need to quench my bloodthirst for something from the passt or the desire to indulge myself in all kinds of luxury.
The State prospers through labor and sales. And a secret here and there offcourse.

Originally by: Sunedyal Na'Shalorian

Then again, that does require observation and very few people have the patience, let alone time, to research into their economical and political opponents.


The State doesn't have political or economical opponents to speak of. The State has better things to do then to waste time on studies which won't brig any real advantage to the State.
The observations were conducted ages ago and doing such a thing again is unproductive.
We do keep an eye on the other races but to waste a huge amount of time on things we allready know is hardly beneficial.

Loimbard
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.02.18 11:32:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Killer Gandry

I don't need amusement, I sell that to Gallente.
I don't need religion. The State is all I need.
I see no use for ravings. It distracts from sales.
And when it comes to secrecy the Joves might be good but they certainly arent the best when it comes to keeping secrets.


The State doesn't have political or economical opponents to speak of. The State has better things to do then to waste time on studies which won't brig any real advantage to the State.
The observations were conducted ages ago and doing such a thing again is unproductive.
We do keep an eye on the other races but to waste a huge amount of time on things we allready know is hardly beneficial.


Are all Caldari so up themselves as this guy? The State this and The State that.. You're beginning to sound like an Amarran fanatic, devoted to money rather than God. Its sad, it really is, without emotional fuel, you are left a burnt out husk, dry, uninteresting an humourless. I refuse to believe that you are all so boring, if that were the case, the State would have become a load of accountants long ago, instead of the vibrant hub of culture and creativity that it is.

Besides, Caldari ARE interested in drama, a good proportion of THE SCOPE's sales are made in the State. Wink

Gavin Paradise
Alien Ruffneck Force
Ignes Immortalis
Posted - 2006.02.18 11:56:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Gavin Paradise on 18/02/2006 12:08:19

Originally by: Killer Gandry
The State doesn't have political or economical opponents to speak of. The State has better things to do then to waste time on studies which won't brig any real advantage to the State.

The observations were conducted ages ago and doing such a thing again is unproductive.
We do keep an eye on the other races but to waste a huge amount of time on things we allready know is hardly beneficial.


The Gallente Federation is still very much a vocal economic and political opponent of the Caldari State. We have just emerged from a Cold War with them and relations haven't exactally been warm ever since (refer to your Ares faction storyline).

In terms of genuine drama outside the realm of 0.0, the ongoing Slave War between the Amarr loyalists (like CVA, Aegis Militia) and the Minmatar freedom fighters/terrorists (Ushra'Khan) is likely your best bet. It's not all religion. It's about a clash of ideologies... one which the members of all alliances involved pour their creativity into. Most corporations involved in that conflict accept Caldari and Gallente pilots, so I say, go where the action is if that's what you're looking for.

And no, most Caldari are like me. We believe that the State is a means to an end. It is our progression from the State to greater things that defines who we are as individuals... evolving from Empire people into pan-galactic ones whose affiliations go from 0.0 to 1.0, just like the majority of every other race's members.

EDIT - If you ask me, EVE is entirely what you (and the people you chose to be around) make it. Cool

Sunedyal Na'Shalorian
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.02.18 14:08:00 - [11]
 

Refreshing to see another Caldari without the bigotry and short sidedness displayed in previous comms traffic.

Minmatar and Amarr you say? That may be worth looking into, once I have the time to move about and check things out. As is it, I am more focused on stabalizing Caldari against Serpentis rats ((meaning, of course, i'm too young to do anything worth mention in the struggle so i'm going to keep training until i can)).

An observation if you will:
From what i've seen the Cold War isn't truly over, just perhaps taking a slight break. Now, if the Intaki are successfully liberated then that would further destabalize our rivals supplying a fantastic opportunity to not only aid an entire nation of people, but to make a significant profit from it as well.

Perhaps more Caldari should be interested in this.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.02.18 17:02:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Loimbard

Are all Caldari so up themselves as this guy? The State this and The State that.. You're beginning to sound like an Amarran fanatic, devoted to money rather than God.


Offcourse I am devoted to the ISK, atleast ISK is tangiable unlike some sort of fictional dude in some fictional heaven that tells me to go off and enslave and kill people.
Isk is the true lubricant of any Empire. Those that say it's ideology or religeon or drama that keeps it rolling is gravely mistaken. Just look at their market activities to see the truth.
So yes, I am very proud I atleast admit that I am money driven. I don't need to hide my lust for cash behind any story.

Originally by: Loimbard

Its sad, it really is, without emotional fuel, you are left a burnt out husk, dry, uninteresting an humourless. I refuse to believe that you are all so boring, if that were the case, the State would have become a load of accountants long ago, instead of the vibrant hub of culture and creativity that it is.


The thrill of yet another profitable deal or the fact that you outsmarted a direct market opponent is plenty of emotional fuel.
And the fact that you can control your emotions while doing business doesn't make them less present, just less noticable.
Offcourse the State allso nurtures culture and creativity. Those are allso very good selling export products. And without creativity the State wouldnt be able to innovate the technologies we have to increase the numerous scientifical breakthroughs we had in the passt. These breakthroughs opened new markets and new ways to invest.

Originally by: Loimbard

Besides, Caldari ARE interested in drama, a good proportion of THE SCOPE's sales are made in the State. Wink


Yes as a commodity they are certainly in demand, isn't it good business then to buy cheap and sell with a profit? Where is the problem in that?

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.02.18 18:59:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Loimbard
Besides, Caldari ARE interested in drama, a good proportion of THE SCOPE's sales are made in the State. Wink


High sales of the Scope isn't because we like drama, it's because we like reading 'the truth' and having a good laugh.Wink

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2006.02.18 21:39:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Killer Gandry

We don't have former owners which we now need to destroy just so we feel better.



*Culmen looks towards the gallente
checks soverignty of caldari prime
checks to see if his missiles are armed

Loimbard
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.02.19 09:57:00 - [15]
 

Again, its so sad, to see so many Caldari living in the past. Its genuinely disappointing to know that this still goes on.

As for Intaki 'liberation', it sounds like just another Caldari plot trying to stir up hatred and discontent. When you see the Federation trying to stir up discord between the citizens of the Caldari state, that will be the time to start trying to tease holes in an otherwise strong society.

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2006.02.19 21:37:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Jon Engel on 19/02/2006 21:38:57
Originally by: Loimbard
Again, its so sad, to see so many Caldari living in the past. Its genuinely disappointing to know that this still goes on.

As for Intaki 'liberation', it sounds like just another Caldari plot trying to stir up hatred and discontent. When you see the Federation trying to stir up discord between the citizens of the Caldari state, that will be the time to start trying to tease holes in an otherwise strong society.





Im not sure what this strong society your mentioning is but it sure as hell aint the Federation of Gallente. Were pretty ****ed off right now at the treatment and lack of repsect for the well being of our people and region. I propose you take your Scope propaganda back to someone who cares to hear about it.

We live in deplorable conditions on low sec and non patrolled or policed worlds. Your federation twiddles there thumbs and scratches there heads even now, as Reshard gets wiped out. Im sure every Intaki is happy about the benefits of Federation membership nowadays. Take that BS back to Luminaire, most people of even average intelligence disregards the Scope anyways.

*laughs*

You sir need to open your eyes.

Karl Mattar
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2006.02.19 21:56:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Loimbard
Again, its so sad, to see so many Caldari living in the past. Its genuinely disappointing to know that this still goes on.


Return our homeworld, and we can all move on.

Originally by: Loimbard
As for Intaki 'liberation', it sounds like just another Caldari plot trying to stir up hatred and discontent. When you see the Federation trying to stir up discord between the citizens of the Caldari state, that will be the time to start trying to tease holes in an otherwise strong society.


When you see us treating each other like dogs, you might be willing to expend the capital to do so. Unfortunately for you, the State is strong in it's solidarity. One of these days, you will realize just how much your treatment of the Intaki has cost the 'mighty' Federation.

The State needs no drama. We can function fine observing it, and it's effects, in our neighbors to the galactic south. If there is drama to be had, it is certainly in the supply of arms and munitions to the Intaki that are planning ahead.

Filan
Caldari
Posted - 2006.02.19 22:10:00 - [18]
 

too much drama in the galaxy allready, tis why i moved into my current job several years ago. not much drama in stargate control(well unless you get sent to JitaTwisted Evil) but plenty of nice people to talk to.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.02.20 00:15:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Loimbard
Again, its so sad, to see so many Caldari living in the past. Its genuinely disappointing to know that this still goes on.

As for Intaki 'liberation', it sounds like just another Caldari plot trying to stir up hatred and discontent. When you see the Federation trying to stir up discord between the citizens of the Caldari state, that will be the time to start trying to tease holes in an otherwise strong society.


When you see Gallente attempt to stir trouble in the State between the Civre, Deteis, Achura, and others, you'll find that people will laugh at you, and most likely report you as a madman to the State medical facilities on whatever station you go to.

Ofcourse, you are also speaking to the people whom your Federation drove their elitist wedge into long ago, causing us to do things such as form secret colonies and completely break away during a fight for survival. You are doing much of the same to your Intaki citizens now, and just as we had assistance from a group superior to the Federation, so will they if you even so much as fire a warning shot at them, excluding the Federation's 'example' of Reshard V.

Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
Posted - 2006.02.20 03:07:00 - [20]
 

I'm not jealous of the drama going on in other empires. The State has responsible and sober leadership. It may not be exciting, but it's a huge advantage we Caldari have.

Silver Night
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2006.02.20 04:23:00 - [21]
 

Yep, no tangled presidential races or Assasinations of the Semi-divine for us. The strength of a corporate structure and the State structure above it. One leader means a head that can be cut off.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.02.20 04:59:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Culmen
Originally by: Killer Gandry

We don't have former owners which we now need to destroy just so we feel better.



*Culmen looks towards the gallente
checks soverignty of caldari prime
checks to see if his missiles are armed


The fact the Gallente cowards bombarded a civilian planet and then occupied it doesn't mean they ever owned us.

Wait a second.

Bombardment of a civilian planet of a race that don't accept any Gallente ruling. Does sound familiar.

Might be a good idea to check if the kiddies of the Gallente responsible for the unwarented bombardment of the Caldari homeplanet have some sort of seat in the gallente government.
Ya see, the apple don't fall far from the tree and Gallente and originality ain't a pair if ya know what I mean.


Boneafied
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.02.20 08:26:00 - [23]
 

SERK has already begun operations, thou none have been widely supported by those of State

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.02.20 10:27:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Boneafied
SERK has already begun operations, thou none have been widely supported by those of State


The State doesn't allways feel a need to make public how they support certain things. Charity isn't charity if ya keep on tabbing about how good ya are.

And the fact that individuals don't have all the information about the do's and do not's of the State isn't surprising either. Since when does a sandcorn need to know where the beach is going by the tidals of the ocean.


Boneafied
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.02.20 21:01:00 - [25]
 

Brother, I feel that I have been misunderstood.

But it is indeed better to try & fail.. :salutes:

Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.02.20 21:36:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 20/02/2006 21:42:17
Originally by: Gavin Paradise
Drama? State drama? I think not.

Every good Caldari, whether Deteis or Civre, knows that such things only slow us down.




Any good Caldari would know the state only limits you and slows down your progress, so do the other empires, but i could care less about them. It's about time the state started looking out for every Caldari, not just the few high ranking manipulators.



Quote:
Return our homeworld, and we can all move on.


I didn't know Passari IV has been taken under the control of the gallente federation during my exile. Shocked

Gavin Paradise
Alien Ruffneck Force
Ignes Immortalis
Posted - 2006.02.22 21:33:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Any good Caldari would know the state only limits you and slows down your progress, so do the other empires, but i could care less about them. It's about time the state started looking out for every Caldari, not just the few high ranking manipulators.


/smiles slyly as he reads the list of comms.

Howdy Narciss. Your boys still stirring up trouble in the Nalvula - HW pipe? I certainly hope so.

There'd be no flavour in the north without you. Twisted Evil

As for the posturing between Gallente and Caldari here... just give it up. The cold war will never heat up for us the way that it has for the Minmatar and their former masters, and here's why...

The current division of territories and the power associated with controlling them between the old empires is of more benefit to the 0.0 empires now than it ever has been, not to mention the governments of the old empires, who get to enjoy some semblance of stability. War between the old superpowers would inevitably limit the growth opportunities of the new 0.0 alliances and the fledgeling nations they are struggling to establish and develop. We're seen a great deal of evidence recently that the old conflicts are evolving into trade and economic wars, which spurs competition, which in turn benefits everyone.

Besides, if Yulai ever becomes thoroughly redundant and we all wind up engaging in outright war with one another over a few errant planets and systems, how long do you think the Jovians would likely wait and watch before losing patience with our repeated mis-use of their technology (ie. our pods) and steamroll the lot of us into submission?

/pauses to chose his next words carefully.

You could care less about the State becuase they don't look out for the little man, Narciss? Is that what drove you to piracy? Or perhaps it was something far more personal than that...

Beringe
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Posted - 2006.02.22 23:29:00 - [28]
 

There is always the games, citizen.

And there *is* drama...only it happens in dark boardrooms, where the real power of the State is held.

I've said to much already. There are things that should remain hidden.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2006.02.23 01:29:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Beringe
There is always the games, citizen.

And there *is* drama...only it happens in dark boardrooms, where the real power of the State is held.

I've said to much already. There are things that should remain hidden.


May I inform you that the boardrooms are far from dark. The State certainly can afford good lighting.


Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2006.02.23 04:14:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Any good Caldari would know the state only limits you and slows down your progress


Several millenia of growth and prosper as well as the State's current superiority over all in the cluster would prove you wrong.


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