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Slink Grinsdikild
Brotherhood of Wolves
Astral Wolves
Posted - 2006.02.19 06:15:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
It is the new e-peen thing. The fewer skills trained with much SP the better.


You're right, i've seen this talked about before. Does it really matter? CCP shouldn't waste time on non-issues like this.

Asnar
Evil Strangers Inc.
Posted - 2006.02.20 10:15:00 - [32]
 

Which is a lovely e-peen thing, cause I'm no2 ( damn me for not starting the gamer earlier ) But I'd love it too, got a couple of unneeded skills I'd love to dump. Could make me no1 easy ( 402.000 sp/skill atm :P :P )

Fogy
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.02.20 13:17:00 - [33]
 

yeah, id woche for this aswell..
id love to delete some of thous silly skills i trianed in my n00b/carebear days.. (mining skills anyone? Rolling Eyes )
id be more than happy to delete some of thous for even a 75% loss of SP from the skillpoints they keep.

the rest over SP's, should go to a SP "bank" and be directly inputed to the next skill you start training as a iminent reduction in traning time ( Normal training time - ("sp to next lvl"-"SP in bank") = time to train to next lvl)

Cheers!
Fogy

Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Tague Corp
Posted - 2006.02.20 13:30:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Twilight Moon on 20/02/2006 13:30:42
I think those who want to delete their skills are mad, but thats just me.

Hey, if CCP want to introduce it, go for it. It doesnt bother me if someone runs around deleting their own skills. Dont give them SP refunds or anything, just let them "clean up" their skills lists if they so desire.

Jacinth Troll
Minmatar
Cosmic research and production services
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2006.02.20 15:57:00 - [35]
 

I can't help thinking that if something like this got introduced the next big things would be:
1) complaining down the road that you deleted some skill you thought was worthless which you now need.

2) complaints and petitions because something got deleted and it was the WRONG skill (despite the fact that the devs would probably include multiple confirmations before anything went).

3) More complaints and petitions because some pre-req got deleted and now some other skill can't advance because of a bug- sooner or later something like this would hit.

4) And then lastly, some poor soul who got his password hijacked would log in to find not only has his ISK been transferred, his security trashed, he'd find that the person who did this also took a minute to delete ALL of his skills.

It seems quite a bit to put at risk to make a skill tree conform to some OCD sensibilities about neatness and order.

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2006.02.20 16:51:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Jacinth Troll
I can't help thinking that if something like this got introduced the next big things would be:
1) complaining down the road that you deleted some skill you thought was worthless which you now need.

2) complaints and petitions because something got deleted and it was the WRONG skill (despite the fact that the devs would probably include multiple confirmations before anything went).

3) More complaints and petitions because some pre-req got deleted and now some other skill can't advance because of a bug- sooner or later something like this would hit.

4) And then lastly, some poor soul who got his password hijacked would log in to find not only has his ISK been transferred, his security trashed, he'd find that the person who did this also took a minute to delete ALL of his skills.

It seems quite a bit to put at risk to make a skill tree conform to some OCD sensibilities about neatness and order.


you can also log onto someone his account selfdesctruct him in space a few times and make him lose sp, there is no pointy in what you are saying.

i have this idea, make it so you can right-click on a skill and select delete. than you get a message are you sure, you click on yes. that skill becomes black and a countdown timer of 12 hours starts running. after 12 hours you can rightclick on it again and selected "delete forever" again the question yes or no, you press yes and tada skill gone..

when the tech 2 building skills came out i bought em *deep shame* i dont know why but i bought all the new skills everytime they came out.

now i noticed this makes me have 159 skils with a total of 19 lvl 0 Laughing, stuff like ice harvesting lvl 0 and lvl 0 frigate and industrial conctruction.

it doesnt look good to have every mechanic skill maxed out and new resistance skills to lvl 4 and see that ugly skill @ lvl 0 there..its my char i can decide what to del and what not Cool

Jacinth Troll
Minmatar
Cosmic research and production services
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2006.02.20 17:33:00 - [37]
 

Ok, I'm not that familiar with being blown up. Are you saying you could self destruct a character right out of their skill points?

Gretchen Dawntreader
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.02.20 18:06:00 - [38]
 

I hope they devote not one minute of programmer time to this needless option. The second you could do this then people would be petitioning the next day because they accidentally deleted their battleship 5.

No one can see your messy character skill list. No one cares.

Failin Zhar
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.02.20 18:12:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Hesperides
signed...

I have mining alts with useless gunnery skills from creation... would love 2 be able 2 delete these


I hope there is a celever explanation to this. Otherwise this is the dumbest post I've seen on these boards for a good while.

Lan Malkier
Posted - 2006.02.23 16:10:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Jacinth Troll
Ok, I'm not that familiar with being blown up. Are you saying you could self destruct a character right out of their skill points?


No, not with the actual self-destruct option. Of course the virtual self-destruct (ie flying into the Syndicate gateway systems on a Saturday night without a clone) would work just fine.

Of course, if the account has been hijacked then there'd be nothing to stop them pressing the delete character option on the choose character screen.

bumcheekcity
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.02.23 18:32:00 - [41]
 

Seriously, I would hate to see CCP waste more than a seconds time coding this when they coud code useful things, not just things to please people who want a pathetic perfect skilltree. Your Mining IV or whatever may be an 'embarassment' to you, or something just as silly, but if you want to go to 0.0 someday, or if you're already in 0.0 or something, and feel like sticking a couple Mining Lazers to a ship and going for a nice Mining Op, you'll like it.

Otherwise, as it serves no PRACTICAL purpose, I'd say it's a waste of time, for a useless thing, that is blatantly to do with e-peen anyway.

Max Gluteus
Posted - 2006.02.24 00:07:00 - [42]
 

Well, deleting "useless" skills option will create quite a few petitions with folks saying "oops, can I have it back, I deleted it by mistake" purpously or not. So, CCP would probably not introduce this option because it might create a nuisance for them and really not much of a benefit to the majority of players. Yet, an option to hide some skills from the view would be a welcome addition, as some folks here mentioned.

TimeKeepr
No Quarter.
C0VEN
Posted - 2006.02.24 10:32:00 - [43]
 

yeah, id like to delete some skills.

back in the day i went crazy and bought around 10 of those science skills used with R&D agents...most of them are at lvl 0 Laughing

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.02.24 10:48:00 - [44]
 

There is no drawback to having more skills. Therefore there is no point wasting dev time to code a 'delete skill' option.

Number of skills, skillpoints/skill are meaningless statistics. I've got 173 skills at the moment. Most are quite low level, but ... so what if I can play with small energy weapons on my Raven? Or have refining skills that don't help me be an ultra PvPer?

Clone costs are about the only argument I see, but anyone who can't afford their clone deserves to lose 5% off their highest skill.

wide
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2006.02.24 12:05:00 - [45]
 

I think you may have hit upon an idea here:

I've often wondered why there was no mechanism in place that accommodated a character's experience in PVP, PVE, mining, manufacturing etc.

Consider a situation where a player who previously focussed on industry moves to combat. The skills he aquired in the former area are no longer exercised and so, as in real life, they degrade.

vile56
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2006.02.25 01:35:00 - [46]
 

no


i know this would happen to me. one night when im drunk off of a liter of jag, i would turn on eve and say to my self."im so damn leet i dont need bs 5".

so no

BadManEdmundo
Viziam
Posted - 2006.02.26 04:09:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: BadManEdmundo on 26/02/2006 04:10:15
I'd love to be able to 'clean' my skills, If I want my chars to be thorough bread Amarr then thats what I want.Very Happy


*edit: spelling

Pervious
Posted - 2006.02.27 12:25:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Pervious on 27/02/2006 12:26:27
I know of at least one skill that does real harm: Drones, it lowers your speed. I would like to get rid of that.

Mike Yagon
Minmatar
The Nest
Posted - 2006.02.27 12:30:00 - [49]
 

I really can only think of one practical reason to delete skills; Expensive clones. But when you have that many skillpoints I suspect you have money to go with it.

Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
Posted - 2006.02.27 14:31:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: vile56
no


i know this would happen to me. one night when im drunk off of a liter of jag, i would turn on eve and say to my self."im so damn leet i dont need bs 5".

so no


/me applauds ugh

Alternat
Posted - 2006.02.28 01:12:00 - [51]
 

Im pretty sure i wont need PE4 or Miner 4 or Refining 4 on my main. You know why, because iv trained it to PE 5 and got Refining effiency 5 on an alt to spread the sp.
If you dont want to delete your sp dont delete it simple as that but stop complaining when theres others that would liek the feature

Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
Posted - 2006.02.28 08:59:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Pervious
Edited by: Pervious on 27/02/2006 12:26:27
I know of at least one skill that does real harm: Drones, it lowers your speed. I would like to get rid of that.


Ehm, no it doesn't.

Phoenix9bird
Posted - 2006.03.03 02:27:00 - [53]
 

oh oh oh oh lets make it even more "fun" by requiring u to "delete" your skill you will require TIME as if you have learnt it..


u know like 10 days to un-learn something..


:)

evil aint it.. Twisted Evil

skedders
Gallente
Aces and Eights Enterprises
Posted - 2006.03.03 11:49:00 - [54]
 

to be able to delete skills......NO!
to be able to trade in skills, for there acquired SP........F*** YES!!!

that way everyone is happy, it adds more versatility, no problem if your hacked, and no problem if you do it by accident as you would still have the SP and could just train it again, this would help tons, but it has its pros / cons

Pros:
1 you can clean up your skill tree

2 you can unlearn skills you no longer want / need and put them into other skills

3 makes it easier to change "jobs" in the game and would keep people playing longer imho

Cons:
1 would kill skill training to anyone higher than 15 mill SP because they could just dump them all into one ship type / race

2 this creates balancing issues between new players and veterans

3 this would cause CCP to loose money in the long run because people at higher levels would be able to experiance most of the game and new items in a matter of weeks not years, and the new players would looose all interest in the game, because they could never hope to reach that level that fast

4 the only way to get rid of problem 3 would be to implement a skill system in which you just select your skills from the begining, turning EVE Online into a skirmish game, like a FPS and compleatly killing the game

you see, while some things start out as good ideas alot of the time they turn into VERY BAD things, so instead of trying to change what is already in the game, why don't we try asking for things that would either
A improve the game / our needs
or
B add new things to the game

mabey if we ask for an interface option to "hide" unwanted skills, that way for people that just want to clean up, this would work

or go for this one, allow the deleting of skills but have a 24+ hour timer on it, and once the timer is up you have to select confirm, like the toon deletion system


problems solved?

Pralance Kibarso
Crux Republic Aerospace Navy Elites
Posted - 2006.03.03 11:54:00 - [55]
 

Allows you to forget skill points instead of training them. Each level of brain surgery increases down training time by 20%

Brain Surgery 5 (Rank 5).
Surgery 5 (Rank 3)
Science 5 (Rank 1)

You are currently down training Mining level 3, are you sure you want to switch down training to Corporation Management now that you are part of a big corp and won't ever be the CEO? YES!

Uggster
Caldari
FinFleet
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.03.03 23:11:00 - [56]
 

This is one of those crap ideas that gets recycled every so oftain.

Why I ask ?

Why ?

Tobiaz
Spacerats
Posted - 2006.03.03 23:22:00 - [57]
 

If people want to thrash skills then that's their own choice. I don't see why everyone is so opposed to it other then the valid reason that it will cost CCP time to make and especially to get rid of any bug in this.

Stop being a nanny if someone is gonna do something stupid. At least we'll get a good laugh at it.

If it's get implemented one thing: add a timer on it, just like reprocessing your char.

4 LOM
Serenus Legion
Posted - 2006.03.04 07:37:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Tobiaz
If people want to thrash skills then that's their own choice. I don't see why everyone is so opposed to it other then the valid reason that it will cost CCP time to make and especially to get rid of any bug in this.

Stop being a nanny if someone is gonna do something stupid. At least we'll get a good laugh at it.

If it's get implemented one thing: add a timer on it, just like reprocessing your char.


Thats exactly why its stupid to even post an stupid ass idea like that. do you honestly want ccp to wast time implmenting a completely useless feature? i know i dont, man people are stupid.

Mrmuttley
National Health Service
Posted - 2006.03.05 09:26:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Mrmuttley on 05/03/2006 09:47:16
Originally by: Tobiaz

Stop being a nanny if someone is gonna do something stupid. At least we'll get a good laugh at it.



This is the only good reason I can think of for allowing skill deletion ShockedVery HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery Happy


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