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Sirilonwe
Caldari
Posted - 2006.01.06 09:21:00 - [1]
 

Since two or three weeks, I have problems having a stable connection with EVE. I have two connexions, both by the same ISP, "Free" (2nd biggest ISP in France) (BTW, one is a freebox connection 1/20Mbps, the other is a "Freebox Non dégroupé" at 128k/1Mbps).

Both connection, when using traceroute, where going throught the same routers. The biggest connexion didn't have any problem of stability, but playing EVE with the other connection will fail miserably.

I tested all the routers between the two connections (suspecting a failing router) but i had no problem pinging them (less than 1% packet loss).

I tried others connections, with others games. Same problem. But for HTTP, FTP, I didn't have any problem at all.

I tried to use a tunnel, from the bad connection to the good one, and it solved everything. After a bit research:

Free, for each port over 1024, applies a QoS on the packets. They are considered less important, so it is why so much packets are dropped for EVE and others games.

The solution: Use a program like HTTHost and HTTPort to reroute the traffic from EVE to a lower port, under 1024, to a known proxy.

Note: I can't supply such a proxy for you, because it's against the EULA I think.

CCP staff/GM/BugHunters: I hopes this helps to diagnose some disconnection bugs you get from users in France.

Gunstar Zero
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.01.06 09:27:00 - [2]
 

I hate it when ISPs fiddle with things like that....

...but all those people monoplising bandwidth with p2p though probably necessary.

Katia G1
Posted - 2006.01.06 09:55:00 - [3]
 

Hello (Bonjour siri),
Quote:
The solution: Use a program like HTTHost and HTTPort to reroute the traffic from EVE to a lower port, under 1024, to a known proxy.

yar and pray ur proxy is not using also the isp "Free" or it would just switch the problem to another node YARRRR!!
Hard Qos is the suck anyway when it is based on ports and not exclusively on packet size. If ur isp not using a Weight Fair Queing like QoS, best is to change isp :)
/hug

Sirilonwe
Caldari
Posted - 2006.01.06 10:28:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Katia G1
Hello (Bonjour siri),
yar and pray ur proxy is not using also the isp "Free" or it would just switch the problem to another node YARRRR!!
Hard Qos is the suck anyway when it is based on ports and not exclusively on packet size. If ur isp not using a Weight Fair Queing like QoS, best is to change isp :)
/hug



This happens only with "Free Non Dégroupé" mode. I have no problems hosting my proxy on my other connection (which is "Free Degroupé"), everything runs fine. And no, i'll not change my ISP Wink

Virida
Mindstar Technology
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.01.06 10:34:00 - [5]
 

Im so lucky to have an ISP who isnt so bright, i once helped their local technician setting up peer to peer pirate mp3 downloading on his office.

He have disable ICMP though. no idea why, so i cant ping Evil or Very Mad

dimensionZ
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.01.06 11:10:00 - [6]
 

I'm french too, but not on Free. I'm on Chello, and some time to time, we have the same problem, extremly slow connexion to england on port > 1024, but i beleive that there's nothing that CCP can do, only our isp ;)

Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Posted - 2006.01.06 11:44:00 - [7]
 

Ultimate solution: Don't live in France. It's a bad idea in general.

Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
Posted - 2006.01.06 11:53:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Ultimate solution: Don't live in France. It's a bad idea in general.


I hear the food is quite good though. And they let you smoke, apparently.Wink

Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Posted - 2006.01.06 11:56:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Wanoah
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Ultimate solution: Don't live in France. It's a bad idea in general.
I hear the food is quite good though. And they let you smoke, apparently.Wink
When I take over the world, the French will be spread to the four winds...and so, every city will have at least one great chef.

Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
Posted - 2006.01.06 13:53:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Wanoah
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Ultimate solution: Don't live in France. It's a bad idea in general.
I hear the food is quite good though. And they let you smoke, apparently.Wink
When I take over the world, the French will be spread to the four winds...and so, every city will have at least one great chef.


Every city will have at least one great chef...and every ship will have a crew.Very Happy

Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Posted - 2006.01.06 13:55:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Wanoah
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Wanoah
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Ultimate solution: Don't live in France. It's a bad idea in general.
I hear the food is quite good though. And they let you smoke, apparently.Wink
When I take over the world, the French will be spread to the four winds...and so, every city will have at least one great chef.
Every city will have at least one great chef...and every ship will have a crew.Very Happy
/me hugs Wanoah Laughing

Revana WD
Posted - 2006.01.06 14:46:00 - [12]
 

Hi Sirilonwe, can you help me ?
(Peux-tu me developper ceci ? "The solution: Use a program like HTTHost and HTTPort to reroute the traffic from EVE to a lower port, under 1024, to a known proxy." )

Thanks.

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.01.06 14:55:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 06/01/2006 15:03:40
[pls delete post] ... damn browse ... *narf* Rolling Eyes

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.01.06 14:56:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Wanoah
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Ultimate solution: Don't live in France. It's a bad idea in general.
I hear the food is quite good though. And they let you smoke, apparently.Wink
When I take over the world, the French will be spread to the four winds...and so, every city will have at least one great chef.


OMG .. you are forcing them to move to space .. they would have to leave earth .. OMG .. EVE will become real Shocked .. btw anyone gallente?? Laughing

@OP ... sry but i couldn't resist Rolling EyesEmbarassed

Akilah Ashaki
Minmatar
The Wings of Maak
Posted - 2006.01.06 15:00:00 - [15]
 

I second this.

I'm with the same ISP and have the very same problem since november.

80% packet loss 4TL !

Simon Illian
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.01.06 15:01:00 - [16]
 

hello, i agree with you free suck for this.

I've waited 1 week, unpossible to play, 100% packet loose (little less is uppose, i can loggin & change skill) ... but unplayable ...

the solution : i've changed my isp ... plain & simple, they are aware of the problem since 1 week, no eta ...

was 1 month ago.

Pirahna Joe
Posted - 2006.01.06 17:06:00 - [17]
 

Actually it's a bad idea for french EvE player to rely on this ISP !

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.01.06 17:10:00 - [18]
 

It may be worth a mod moving this to "Known Issues" and giving it a sticky.

Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2006.01.06 17:29:00 - [19]
 

Free sucks for many more reasons than just this. And this is serious enough as it is.

Pirahna Joe
Posted - 2006.01.13 09:56:00 - [20]
 

just a reminder

Sybylle
Amarr
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
Posted - 2006.01.13 10:28:00 - [21]
 

I've forwarded the link to this thread to my m8s...

Personnaly I'm on a cable connection (numericable) and therefore I have no problem like Free users.

For your solution Sirilonwe, you redirect the whole application traffic (port 26000 and 80) to something under 1024 on another proxy? Or just the connection to port 26000?

For people not used to this, you have to understand the whole process...

Outgoing traffic:
In the application of your choice (HTTPort...), you specify that anything coming from the application Eve on port 26000 is forwarded to another port (1000 for instance).
Incoming traffic:
Same process, in the other way: anything coming from port 1000 is forwarded to port 26000.

This is "transparent" for the application, but allows to get rid of connections issues.

Can a dev/mod please confirm setting up a proxy for Eve is against the EULA?

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2006.01.13 11:13:00 - [22]
 

Or once again, we push CCP to simply open another port(s), or why not the entire portspan?!

Sure routing ports takes some resources, but I highly doubt that CCP would see any performance change by opening a few more ports.

And no I am not talking about adding additional ports to the daemon, this can be acheived by simply changing a bit of cfg in your routers.

Many players have the issue of filtered ports, and opening(routing) ports like 25, 80, 110, 443 etc would solve issues by filtering and QoS.

Just referrer to the performance issues back in November when people used the EVE-Files proxy, you saw the change. Players FELT the change.

So please take 10 min to modify your routers and I am sure you will see a lot more happy users.

Sirilonwe
Caldari
Posted - 2006.01.13 13:44:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Revana WD
Hi Sirilonwe, can you help me ?
(Peux-tu me developper ceci ? "The solution: Use a program like HTTHost and HTTPort to reroute the traffic from EVE to a lower port, under 1024, to a known proxy." )

Thanks.


Here is the step by step HTTHost setup I've used (note you need a friend which don't have a "Free non dégroupé" connection which can reroute your trafic and has a 24/7 connected computer):

A. Download this file: http://www.htthost.com/httport3snfm.exe and install it to your computer.

B. Configuration:
Proxy:
Use personal remote host:
(put here the address and the port of your friend's HTTHost server). The server port should be configured with a number less than 1024.
Misc options: bypass mode: remote host

Port mapping:
Delete everything, and then add a new redirection with those parameters:
local port: 26000
remote host: 157.157.139.10
remote port: 26000

C. Go to the proxy tab and click start. When you start the game, click on "Tranquility" and type "localhost". You should be able to play with no packet loss/ disconnections.

Enjoy Cool

Sirilonwe
Caldari
Posted - 2006.01.13 13:49:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Sybylle
I've forwarded the link to this thread to my m8s...

Personnaly I'm on a cable connection (numericable) and therefore I have no problem like Free users.

For your solution Sirilonwe, you redirect the whole application traffic (port 26000 and 80) to something under 1024 on another proxy? Or just the connection to port 26000?

For people not used to this, you have to understand the whole process...

Outgoing traffic:
In the application of your choice (HTTPort...), you specify that anything coming from the application Eve on port 26000 is forwarded to another port (1000 for instance).
Incoming traffic:
Same process, in the other way: anything coming from port 1000 is forwarded to port 26000.

This is "transparent" for the application, but allows to get rid of connections issues.

Can a dev/mod please confirm setting up a proxy for Eve is against the EULA?


Technically, I only transfer the 26000 port. There's no problem with the HTTP one, the QoS is only made for ports over 1024.

Unfortunately, this solution works only for TCP (not UDP) and I'm seeking a more viable way to do this for all IP trafic and all servers (nah I also play sometimes other games Embarassed).

Rantor
Amarr
Metropol
Posted - 2006.02.03 18:43:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Rantor on 03/02/2006 19:04:54
Originally by: Sirilonwe

The solution: Use a program like HTTHost and HTTPort to reroute the traffic from EVE to a lower port, under 1024, to a known proxy.


Could you please post some more info about HTTHost configuration options for EVE?

edit: has just figured out all the settings myself, will try running EVE from work on Monday Smile

Sancho Matar
Posted - 2006.02.06 15:37:00 - [26]
 

The problem is still there.

Fosse
Posted - 2006.02.28 11:01:00 - [27]
 

What ports does EvE use? I'm only forwarding a few ports through my routers firewall so this may explain the slight lag I get when loading into a gate etc

Thanks!

Sybylle
Amarr
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
Posted - 2006.02.28 11:25:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Fosse
What ports does EvE use? I'm only forwarding a few ports through my routers firewall so this may explain the slight lag I get when loading into a gate etc

Thanks!


Well...Eve uses #26000 for gaming, and 80 for web pages.
So if you are able to connect to the game, it's all ok.
The small lag at gates is something everybody, AFAIK, experiences...

Corp Scammer
Posted - 2006.02.28 11:31:00 - [29]
 

the technology is there global ISPs need to reduce their profit margins and up transmission rates its esp serious in australia.. Bandwidth usage is growing stop dragging their feet and upgrade connection speeds.

Fosse
Posted - 2006.02.28 15:14:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Sybylle
Originally by: Fosse
What ports does EvE use? I'm only forwarding a few ports through my routers firewall so this may explain the slight lag I get when loading into a gate etc

Thanks!


Well...Eve uses #26000 for gaming, and 80 for web pages.
So if you are able to connect to the game, it's all ok.
The small lag at gates is something everybody, AFAIK, experiences...


Ahh ok thanks. I'll try setting up a vitual server for that port and see what happens. My firewall has increased latency before in some online games so it may help. If it's a problem for all that's a bit annoying? Surely not going to help in PvP?

Many thanks for the help.


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