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Keta Min
El Bastardos
Freedom of Elbas
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:49:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0

Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?

I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.


No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.


So raven needs 16 additional highslots to fit anti-frig turrets and boni to them!


And what kind of keyboard layout do you want to use?


CCP should just make an <activate all> shortcut.

Regat Kozovv
Caldari
Alcothology
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:50:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0

Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?

I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.


No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.


So raven needs 16 additional highslots to fit anti-frig turrets and boni to them!


No. It's not supposed to excell at everything. Ravens, or any BS for that matter, is not a solo death machine. If you want to be able to fend off frigates, you need to sacrifice some of your heavy weapons. Or, you can get an escort. One BS for attacking large targets, and frigates and/or destroyers for fending off smaller ones. Drones will help fill this role as well. Different ships for different roles. Fleets utilize a mixture of ships to be able to respond to different threats.

Inversa
Gallente
Red Generationof the Son Corp
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:50:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Drunkeh
Chuck Norris knows 172 ways to kill a man using only his big toe, yet a raven cannot even kill a frig using torps.


Use the turret-slots for anti-frig duty, or fit some assault or heavy launchers. Why is that so hard to do?

Addinn
The Fated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:51:00 - [64]
 

/signed

It makes no sence that you sometimes need the same amount of torps to kill a freaking frigate as to take out a battleship.

Weirda
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:51:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Drunkeh
Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.


yawn... Rolling Eyes

Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:52:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Drunkeh
Chuck Norris knows 172 ways to kill a man using only his big toe, yet a raven cannot even kill a frig using torps.


Use the turret-slots for anti-frig duty, or fit some assault or heavy launchers. Why is that so hard to do?


It's not hard, but it's imbalanced.
Turret ships dont need to git assault launchers to deal with frigs either !
They just call mr T.
You get Mr T., we get Chuck Norris, that's balance.

Inversa
Gallente
Red Generationof the Son Corp
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:53:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Regat Kozovv
No. It's not supposed to excell at everything. Ravens, or any BS for that matter, is not a solo death machine. If you want to be able to fend off frigates, you need to sacrifice some of your heavy weapons. Or, you can get an escort. One BS for attacking large targets, and frigates and/or destroyers for fending off smaller ones. Drones will help fill this role as well. Different ships for different roles. Fleets utilize a mixture of ships to be able to respond to different threats.


/signed

It's stone, scisor, paper

Weirda
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:54:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0

Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?

I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.


/signed though Laughing

0Virtu0
Amarr
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:54:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Drunkeh
Chuck Norris knows 172 ways to kill a man using only his big toe, yet a raven cannot even kill a frig using torps.


Use the turret-slots for anti-frig duty, or fit some assault or heavy launchers. Why is that so hard to do?


It's not hard, but it's imbalanced.
Turret ships dont need to git assault launchers to deal with frigs either !
They just call mr T.
You get Mr T., we get Chuck Norris, that's balance.


And the missile/turret users can have Vin Diesel, then there will be peace in EvE and we will all live happily ever-after.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:54:00 - [70]
 

This thread has been brought to you by the letters C & N, and the number 172.

The Caldari Raven is a production of the Children's Television Workshop.

Inversa
Gallente
Red Generationof the Son Corp
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:56:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Rod Blaine
It's not hard, but it's imbalanced.
Turret ships dont need to git assault launchers to deal with frigs either !
They just call mr T.
You get Mr T., we get Chuck Norris, that's balance.


Turret ships have something called target painter. And the big guns cant hit a frig orbiting at 1000m

Drunkeh
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.01.01 18:56:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Drunkeh on 01/01/2006 19:00:01

MrFu
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:03:00 - [73]
 

Please CCP,the tempest needs badly:

*8 turret hardpoints
* 50% more capacitor,at least
*Less signature radius,50 or 60m should do
*More dronebay,I think 500-1000m3 is fair enough at the current state
*20 au/s warp speed
*500 more CPU and 15K more PG
*Aditional faction bonus,each level of caldari battleship should give roughly a 15% bonus on both damage and tracking on turrets
*An additional missile bonus,for those that like weird 4/4 fittings,lets say 15% bonus on missile speed and accuracy for each caldari BS skill as well(so both turret and miss skills are acumulable)
*2 more solar sails,deployable at will,making it travel 40 au/s,those wings also fire defenders with an infite ammount of ammo if need arised


Drunkeh
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:04:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0

Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?

I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.


No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way.

You obviously never met chuck norris when he was a child

Keta Min
El Bastardos
Freedom of Elbas
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:04:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0

Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?

I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.


No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.


So raven needs 16 additional highslots to fit anti-frig turrets and boni to them!


No. It's not supposed to excell at everything. Ravens, or any BS for that matter, is not a solo death machine. If you want to be able to fend off frigates, you need to sacrifice some of your heavy weapons. Or, you can get an escort. One BS for attacking large targets, and frigates and/or destroyers for fending off smaller ones. Drones will help fill this role as well. Different ships for different roles. Fleets utilize a mixture of ships to be able to respond to different threats.


not supposed to excel at everything?! but its the R A V E N ! boost plz.

Pwny McPwnerson
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:12:00 - [76]
 

RIGHT NOW BANTAMS ARE BETTER THAN RAVENS!! WTF???!?Mad

Metternich Stele
Lords of Discord
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:13:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Metternich Stele on 01/01/2006 19:20:33
I do not agree with this thread, shear lunacy...

A frigate should always be totally invulnerable to anything larger than a shuttle. How else are frig pilots going to have the balls to kill indies and mining barges otherwise? It's difficult enough to get 15 of us insta-warping all over the place. What if we may die and loose 7m ISK!!! 7m ISK CCP is an unacceptable risk!!!

Increasing BS lock time could help, 14 seconds is only just long enough for me to goto the toilet before he locks me - I wanna be able to go for a smoke as well.



R3 1D
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:23:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: MrFu
Please CCP,the tempest needs badly:

*8 turret hardpoints
* 50% more capacitor,at least
*Less signature radius,50 or 60m should do
*More dronebay,I think 500-1000m3 is fair enough at the current state
*20 au/s warp speed
*500 more CPU and 15K more PG
*Aditional faction bonus,each level of caldari battleship should give roughly a 15% bonus on both damage and tracking on turrets
*An additional missile bonus,for those that like weird 4/4 fittings,lets say 15% bonus on missile speed and accuracy for each caldari BS skill as well(so both turret and miss skills are acumulable)
*2 more solar sails,deployable at will,making it travel 40 au/s,those wings also fire defenders with an infite ammount of ammo if need arised




When compared to a raven, the tempest effectively has these abilities anyway.

If CCP don't boost the raven, I'm leaving with my 17 accounts

Layrex
Caldari
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:23:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
RIGHT NOW BANTAMS ARE BETTER THAN RAVENS!! WTF???!?Mad


nerf banthams!!!

GoGo Yubari
Veto.
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:33:00 - [80]
 

best thread ever

Slink Grinsdikild
Brotherhood of Wolves
Astral Wolves
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:35:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Drunkeh
Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.


Signed, frigates don't belong in PvP. Everyone should fly Battleships. if you dissagree you're wrong.

Samirol
Love is Hate
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:46:00 - [82]
 

There is only one solution. Give the Ravens Superweapons better than the titans that can kill random people in different systems. Only then will the madness be stopped. Preferably these super weapons be railguns that fire off Antimatter rounds that drop off 200 precision torpedoes every 3 seconds.

theRaptor
Caldari
Tactical Operations
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:47:00 - [83]
 

Nerf Ravens. I was killed by one before EXODUS.

Metternich Stele
Lords of Discord
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:48:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Metternich Stele on 01/01/2006 19:50:54
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Originally by: Drunkeh
Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.


Signed, frigates don't belong in PvP. Everyone should fly Battleships. if you dissagree you're wrong.


Not true - I have personally witnessed a frigate shooting at an indy and idies can fit a gun that can actually hit. That guy had balls risking so much.


Sarmaul
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:51:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: 0Virtu0
Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Inversa
Why should Torps hit frigsQuestion


because they are bigger, and in eve Bigger > Better


Torps are anti BS/Capital weapons. Every ship/setup in Eve has a weakness. The weak point of a Torp-Raven is the Frigate wich can outrun Torps. If you want to go against frigs as well fitt some anti-frig weapons.


Here's the best thing that would describe how it is.

Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?


THIS IS QUITE FRANKLY THE BEST FORUM REPLY EVER


hence why I've stolen it for my siggy :)

Stratosfear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.01.01 19:56:00 - [86]
 

Is school back next week?

Hope so.

Profess0r Mansechs0r
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.01.01 20:54:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Stratosfear
Is school back next week?

Hope so.

funny

kebab v2
Goatsnake Heavy Industries
Posted - 2006.01.01 22:15:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Drunkeh
Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.


can we have oversized missles in undersized modules back again, i want too pwn things with doom torps.
these should also do full damage too frigs Laughing

BOldMan
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.01.01 22:31:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Metternich Stele
Edited by: Metternich Stele on 01/01/2006 19:50:54
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Originally by: Drunkeh
Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.


Signed, frigates don't belong in PvP. Everyone should fly Battleships. if you dissagree you're wrong.


Not true - I have personally witnessed a frigate shooting at an indy and idies can fit a gun that can actually hit. That guy had balls risking so much.




But torps hit frigates for full damage! Just fly in same directions and speed with frigates. You will see the efect imediately.

The Wizz117
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.01.01 23:04:00 - [90]
 

sombody i know is gallante he can also fly apoc he playes as long as i do, he is a bilionair doing 9/10 8/10 and 10/10 complexes.

im in state used to do lvl4 missions (since all these nerfs wont be able to until i skilled up and if im skilled up theyl nerf it again somehowe)

i have bin in 0.0 for weeks, runing complexes to, i got pwnd evrywhere by each t2 cruiser, these frig swarms , these belts where i was where it took me ages to align for a warpout.

maybe it has much fire power,much shield tank, but all very short slow and dumb.

it aint right, i posted countles of points and huge topics aboud this olrady... ccp are just mofo's the harest thing in this game is to keep up with the nerf's and u need to fight on the forums to not get ur ship nerfed.


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