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Jareth Mace
Posted - 2005.12.18 22:55:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Jareth Mace on 18/12/2005 22:57:47
Originally by: SharkBaait

yeah lets but it this way 80k * 10 per month ermmm 800k per month in subs feck me thats some profit! and they cant even get the hardware sorted with that sum of money coming ion everymonth - god some of you havent got a clue


Actually that sum, IF that calculation is correct is not PROFIT, it is income.. you also have to subtract the expenses.. to name just a FEW these are.. location rent, salaries, bandwidth usage, server maintenance, rent of server location, routine upgrades and a whole lot more.. Those expenses add up very very quickly, and might at times make the expenses bigger than the income for all we know. I think CCP would be very very happy if all the cash we paid were straight profit for them, I assure you, it is not. Everyone with a passing knowledge of book keeping and economics knows that there is a column marked "expenses" as well, and the numbers there get very close to the numbers in the other column.. (To be painstakingly accurate the two columns should be equal for the books to be perfectly done)

Sochin
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.12.18 22:55:00 - [32]
 

Try leaving Jita for once.

You can tell who the supercarebears are because they are the ones whining on the forums about lag. I'm in Torrinos atm, and have zero lag. Stop crowding into 3 systems with thousands of other people and maybe the lag will decrease.

Lygos
Amarr
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2005.12.18 22:56:00 - [33]
 

I'm pacified at present.

However, I am open to the dev team releasing a greatest a capella hits mp3.

"So sorry.. our server grew.. Amarri.. we pwned j00.. lalalala.."

Brep
Gallente
Into The Pink
Posted - 2005.12.18 23:00:00 - [34]
 

I'm sick of hearing people ranting about the expansion being only for rich people. What ship do you fly? Interceptor? Destroyer? Battlecruiser? Assault Frig? Well I got news for you morons, THEY WERE ALL IN FREE EXPANSIONS!

If CCP ever listened to babies like you, we would all be fling t1 frigs, cruisers, and battleships ONLY (not to mention mods and all the extra goodies we get each patch). GG.

I'm so sick of people who can't see past their own bloody noses.

Kael D'mende
Minmatar
We Come In Peace
Posted - 2005.12.19 00:01:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Freibeuter
Just remember: All the new content (which you'll never get to use because it costs billions of isk) is free! Very Happy


*lol* righto.. its lovely its free, but dont feel the same to look at it on the market ;O)

/Kael

wasndasn
Posted - 2005.12.19 00:04:00 - [36]
 

remeber your not entitled to compensation, if servers was down for a month we would not get an reinburstment because we would rather have servers down for a month then to get a month of lag and unstableness

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2005.12.19 00:09:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Shinnen
Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement.

Have you considered the load on support teams? It's intense.

Last time a patch caused excessive lag they reimbursed all losses incurred during a patch period. (Regardless of petition or not)

Also, during the beginning (prior to Castor) CCP were a bit more generous in reimbursements when patches screwed servers. Then again, the players were a bit more forgiving and a bit less spammy back then. In fact, the players were a whole lot less back then in general.

Sochin
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.12.19 00:12:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Brep
I'm sick of hearing people ranting about the expansion being only for rich people. What ship do you fly? Interceptor? Destroyer? Battlecruiser? Assault Frig? Well I got news for you morons, THEY WERE ALL IN FREE EXPANSIONS!

If CCP ever listened to babies like you, we would all be fling t1 frigs, cruisers, and battleships ONLY (not to mention mods and all the extra goodies we get each patch). GG.

I'm so sick of people who can't see past their own bloody noses.


Quoted for truth.

Also, please remember nifty features like Rebirth, Next-Gen manufacturing, Interdictors, Recon Ships, and the MKII project for T1 ships. All of this is stuff in RMR that pretty much anyone can make use of. Please stop your goddamn *****ing.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2005.12.19 00:17:00 - [39]
 

Look, if CCP do anything they will tag a day or 2 on to everyone's subscription.
It doesn't actually cost them anything that way (unlike a refund), unless everyone cancels and uses those 2 free days up.

Now, stop moaning, get back in your boxes, close the lids, close your eyes, AND CHILL.

Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2005.12.19 06:20:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Kilostream
Personally, I don't care about compensation.

What I want is ccp to admit they don't have this under control yet, take the pressure off themselves a bit and give us a rollback until they can sort it out - patience is one thing - approaching a week of unplayable game is another.



Rollback won't fix a thing. They need the massive server load to cause these problems, and it can't be generated in their test environment.

A rollback would mean much more waiting as it would take much longer to fix the problems. Plus their first 2 or 3 fix attempts wouldn't address all the problems, leading to a longer period of instability.

You're better off finding the systems that aren't lagged to hell (there are plenty of them) and play there for a while.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2005.12.19 06:22:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Avon
Look, if CCP do anything they will tag a day or 2 on to everyone's subscription.
It doesn't actually cost them anything that way (unlike a refund), unless everyone cancels and uses those 2 free days up.

Now, stop moaning, get back in your boxes, close the lids, close your eyes, AND CHILL.

Tagging a day onto everyone's sub will cost them $40,000-$50,000. It extends the billing cycle so they get less money/time.

Steven Dynahir
Gallente
Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj
Posted - 2005.12.19 07:08:00 - [42]
 

Quote:
yeah lets but it this way 80k * 10 per month ermmm 800k per month in subs feck me thats some profit! and they cant even get the hardware sorted with that sum of money coming ion everymonth - god some of you havent got a clue


Money in: 800k
Payroll: 50k * 50 / 12 = 208k
Internet pipe: 100k
Maintenance: 50k

Total: ~450k
Taxes: 135k
TOTAL: 315k

Ok, they're making good money =) Can I buy shares? What's the P/E?

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2005.12.19 07:11:00 - [43]
 

I kinda don't like this server problems they are having because I'm trying to convert multiple people from my WoW guild to EVE but you guys are giving me hard time because servers not working Laughing

Mallikanth
Posted - 2005.12.19 07:14:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Mallikanth on 19/12/2005 07:17:28
Shinnen (and people who claim the same thing) - You guys needs to take a breath and calm down.

Read the EULA and speak to a solicitor / lawyer (if you feel the need that much) and they will both tell you to..........well............to put it politley, "shut up".

In the meantime I'll tell you "FFS stop your moaning and play the GAME." Evil or Very Mad

EDIT: Now my blood pressure has eased I've corrected *some* of my spelling mistakes

fmercury
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.12.19 07:17:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.


Well said. If you feel you're hard done by, they're not stopping you from quitting.

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2005.12.19 07:18:00 - [46]
 

I'm fairly certain that you could find torture victims that complain less than these whiners...

zoumao
Posted - 2005.12.19 07:25:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?

Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?

Any suggestions?


One simple advice.. go play on the test server. As u do not seem to care about content or anything else. Mostly it runs pretty smooth. U don't have to worry about other players trying to kill ya. U can buy almost everything everywhere. Perfect for the loner.


Godagast Moonbane
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.12.19 08:47:00 - [48]
 

"Major compensation". You sound as if someone had just wrecked your car - and a Rolls Royce at that!

Fact is, you pay about as much for EVE, per month, as you would for a pizza and a movie. I for one think that is a pretty good bargain for a potential 30 evenings - or entire days, if you are so inclined - of entertainment. I can live with losing two or three days (ye Gods!) over a major patch once in a couple of months. The more so because this patch adds a lot of ships, features and other interesting content to the game - all free.

Really, you people need to get a life and stop whining. So you lose three days out of your precious $15 per month playtime. So what? Do your homework, or something else that's productive. The problems will be fixed soon enough. Show a little tolerance towards CCP, who are doing a not perfect, but reasonable job, and be thankful for the new and free content you get instead of bashing them because the server went down two or three times.

Gavin Kineli
Cross Roads
Ouroboros Cross Combine
Posted - 2005.12.19 09:07:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?

Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?

Any suggestions?


Quit eve. Please.

Vertas
Posted - 2005.12.19 09:14:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Kilostream
Personally, I don't care about compensation.

What I want is ccp to admit they don't have this under control yet, take the pressure off themselves a bit and give us a rollback until they can sort it out - patience is one thing - approaching a week of unplayable game is another.





A rollback is out of the question , you'd be looking at three lost days of training plus the 25 some hrs the roll back would take, no thanks.

good job ccp, keep up the hard work, I know you'll get this worked out

sonofollo
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.12.19 09:16:00 - [51]
 

what will happen is this patch will be hotfixed until it works as simple as that.

Lord Elric
Gallente
Obsidian Industries
Posted - 2005.12.19 09:31:00 - [52]
 

As long as they fix the server load issue that will be compensation enough



Brastagi
Caldari
g guild
Posted - 2005.12.19 09:34:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Brastagi on 19/12/2005 09:34:37
Tell me, is there any company that compensate all of their customers for the problem they have?
That'll be the day Neutral
I never get compensation in other MMO for problems before.

(server fixing is another thing Razz)

sonofollo
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.12.19 09:35:00 - [54]
 

the server load will improve with new hardware and more optimisation hotfixes and the return of the recruitment channel

CCP Oveur

Posted - 2005.12.19 09:41:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Lord Elric
As long as they fix the server load issue that will be compensation enough



Which is exactly what we have been doing and will continue to do.

Xantina
Lyonesse.
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2005.12.19 09:42:00 - [56]
 

I want waffles :)

Szordin
Posted - 2005.12.19 09:45:00 - [57]
 

didn't see anyone offer some cheese.

all I can say is if you don't like it quit, and give me your stuff plz. have a nice day.

Lord Elric
Gallente
Obsidian Industries
Posted - 2005.12.19 09:52:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Lord Elric
As long as they fix the server load issue that will be compensation enough



Which is exactly what we have been doing and will continue to do.


Thanks for the info



fairimear
Gallente
The Sp00Ks
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:18:00 - [59]
 

Seriously if i hear 1 MORE person say this was a free expansion so live with it i will hunt u down.

EVE is paid month by month AND AT a increased rate over other mmog's.
What part of the expansion is free?
the client upgrades.
the only reason they are free is some bull about every 1 having to have them at once.
and that would only leave new ships for a paid expansion, and we all know theres not enogth contnet in that alone to warent it.

AND this is now the 5th day eve has been unplayable.
AND ON XMAS holidays.
frankly they should have known better than to patch before the first xmas weekend and what is probably in the top 3 busiest days of the year.

CCP atleast need to make a full and complet admitance they had been rong to patch and a apoligy.

Nexus1972
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:19:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Ukucia

Rollback won't fix a thing. They need the massive server load to cause these problems, and it can't be generated in their test environment.

A rollback would mean much more waiting as it would take much longer to fix the problems. Plus their first 2 or 3 fix attempts wouldn't address all the problems, leading to a longer period of instability.

You're better off finding the systems that aren't lagged to hell (there are plenty of them) and play there for a while.


There is an easy solution - CCP dont bring out one HUUUUGE patch every six months, why not a smaller one each month? The test server didnt get one huge patch, it got small patches - why not mirror this on tranquility? Oh yeah marketing.

Seriously if the patches were smaller and more frequent they wouldnt have such a huge impact and would be easier to deploy.


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