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Shinnen
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:12:00 - [1]
 

3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?

Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?

Any suggestions?

Discorporation
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:13:00 - [2]
 

Fix the servers?

Yeah, seems like the perfect compensation to me.

Pwny McPwnerson
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:14:00 - [3]
 

Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.

snowpanther
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:14:00 - [4]
 

I just want a server I can Play on cos this 1 is full Sad

jbob2000
Gallente
Degenerate...
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:14:00 - [5]
 

They aren't entitled to give you compensation. Read the EULA.

Freibeuter
Caldari
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:14:00 - [6]
 

Just remember: All the new content (which you'll never get to use because it costs billions of isk) is free! Very Happy

Derekin
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:19:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Derekin on 18/12/2005 21:19:18
Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?

Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?

Any suggestions?


Maybe you can do a deal with CCP?

They reimburse you your 3-days worth of subs (worth about $5), and in return you can pay them for the free content upgrade they've just spent the last 6 months coding? It'll only set you back about $30 going on what other complanies charge for their upgrades.

Nee'kita Frist
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:20:00 - [8]
 

Free expansions... none of this "Jump to lightspeed" crap, or the EQ's area expansion packs which you have to buy... Or buy this for to get this new uber stuff etc etc.

Nope, we get free expansions. There your compensated. STFU.

Anyway what important thing have you to go to do anyway apart from cause the thing your whining about lol. I love 0.0.

David Corbett
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:25:00 - [9]
 

I seriously think it's time for some people to relax.

Sparschwein
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:26:00 - [10]
 

moderated - Cortes

I don't care about expansion stuff consisting of ships I'll never be able to buy.
I want to play and I can't.


Megadon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:27:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?

Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?

Any suggestions?




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Jerusaleman
Caldari
Science and Finance
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:30:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Derekin
Edited by: Derekin on 18/12/2005 21:19:18
Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?

Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?

Any suggestions?[/quote


Maybe you can do a deal with CCP?

They reimburse you your 3-days worth of subs (worth about $5), and in return you can pay them for the free content upgrade they've just spent the last 6 months coding? It'll only set you back about $30 going on what other complanies charge for their upgrades.


your talkin crap they give out the upgrades to keep people interested and payin monthly stop fooling yourself fool

Fooball
Caldari
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:38:00 - [13]
 

You can think whatever you wish. However the game is generally running smoothly now if you just get out of the couple really lagged spots. I've been ratting and having fun myself Laughing Just have patience with the login and couple jumps.

Furthermore you have signed an agreement with CCP not to get refunded anything. Look at the eula, I think it is chapter 12 about Warranties. Razz

And I really think the best refund they can anyways give us is to keep working on fixing the remaining problems. Wink

Hanan Lazaar
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:41:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.


Sure they don't owe us anything, as your sharply mind analysed from the EULA. But it would be a nice gesture to give us one or two weeks of free playing. Thats what every trial noob also gets for free.

JoKane
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:44:00 - [15]
 

Giving all players one or maybe two days of free gametime in compensation costs CCP **** loads of cash. They can keep their money and put it on serverupgrades instead.

Two days is like nothing for a subscriber anyways.


Hanan Lazaar
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:47:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: JoKane
Giving all players one or maybe two days of free gametime in compensation costs CCP **** loads of cash. They can keep their money and put it on serverupgrades instead.

Two days is like nothing for a subscriber anyways.




Really, they make so much money in one or two days??? I didn't knew they make so much profit. But if so, than we surely can expect faster servers very soon?

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:50:00 - [17]
 

Perhaps it would be nice as a present. Sadly, the idea with presents is to give them as a surprise, not on demand. Or at least that's how people think in my part of the world.

Mistress Sanchez
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:51:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Hanan Lazaar
Really, they make so much money in one or two days??? I didn't knew they make so much profit. But if so, than we surely can expect faster servers very soon?


80k accounts * 2 days each = 160 000 days of gameplay. 160 000 days /30 = 5333 months. 5333 months * 14.95 euro each = 79 733 euro.

This is just my own personal calculations, dont know if its true but keiron said that giving out free time is very costy.

Hanan Lazaar
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:53:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Perhaps it would be nice as a present. Sadly, the idea with presents is to give them as a surprise, not on demand. Or at least that's how people think in my part of the world.


Not more a demand, as they demand money from me for playing. And we are not talking about a present, we talk about a nice gesture as compensation for all the disadvantages the players had to stand.

Kallista Wilde
Gallente
Doo Wa Digger Diggy Dum Diggy Doo
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:53:00 - [20]
 

#1. Any changes in a game this large is a HUGE undertaking.
#2. Having worked as a software tester, considering ALL scenarios is simply impossible given the time frames between releases.
#3. Finding the hardware to test and coordinating 'x' number of people to log on between reboots, hotfixes, and crashes just ain't gonna happen.
#4. History with most MMORPG style games and laggy releases (Ultima Online first few months...) shows that the devs go above and beyond the call staying late hours to serve it's customers to the best of their combined abilities.
#5 Those of us who know and love this game have the patience to play where the rewards are not immediate, and should also have the patience (and a little class) not to complain at the first sign of trouble.
#6 (and final) Spend some time with RL friends, Family, and enjoy the holidays instead of worrying about things we have no direct control over. Merry Christmas and Happy holidays!!
Very Happy

Kilostream
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:54:00 - [21]
 

Personally, I don't care about compensation.

What I want is ccp to admit they don't have this under control yet, take the pressure off themselves a bit and give us a rollback until they can sort it out - patience is one thing - approaching a week of unplayable game is another.



Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:54:00 - [22]
 

If we are lucky they might give us an extra day of skill training free, But even that would be pushing it. All in all stop whining, we are not entitled to any compensation.

Raw Dogg
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:55:00 - [23]
 

I love how all the whiner threads get shot down within 10 seconds of appearing. This is why i continue to play eve. In most other games threads like these end up with ten pages of "YEAH I AGREE /SIGNED!"

Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2005.12.18 21:59:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Montague Zooma on 18/12/2005 22:06:20
Yes, let's look at the EULA:
Quote:

CCP does not guarantee that it will continue to offer access to the System or support the Game. CCP may, in its sole discretion, cease to provide any
or all of the services offered in connection with EVE™
(including access to the System and any or all features or components of the Game), terminate
the EULA, close all Accounts and cancel all of the rights granted to you under the EULA. CCP may communicate such termination to you upon 30 days
notice in any of the following manners: (i) when you log into your Account; (ii) in a notice on CCP's website; (iii) via electronic mail; or (iv) in another
manner that CCP deems suitable to inform you of the termination. If CCP terminates the EULA pursuant to this section, you will not receive a refund of
prepaid subscription fees
.


According to the EULA, they can just take your money for a full year in advance and not make the game available to you. They don't even have to give you the thirty days warning; otherwise they'd say "will" instead of "may".

Just because the EULA allows it doesn't mean they have to do it. That language is there to shield them from further lawsuits in the event that they go bankrupt or experience otherwise unexpected difficulties.

CCP has compensated players for down time in the past, so it's perfectly within their power to do so again. If you don't ask for it, don't expect to get it. There's no excuse for flame fests, but otherwise there's nothing wrong with asking for a "make good".

Seriously...for those of you content to tell others to stop whining because what's happening is covered by the EULA...would you still feel the same way if they took your money for a years subscription and then just closed everything down? The only difference is the degree of impact on the customer...the principle is identical.

Derekin
Posted - 2005.12.18 22:03:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Jerusaleman
Originally by: Derekin
Edited by: Derekin on 18/12/2005 21:19:18
Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?

Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?

Any suggestions?[/quote


Maybe you can do a deal with CCP?

They reimburse you your 3-days worth of subs (worth about $5), and in return you can pay them for the free content upgrade they've just spent the last 6 months coding? It'll only set you back about $30 going on what other complanies charge for their upgrades.


your talkin crap they give out the upgrades to keep people interested and payin monthly stop fooling yourself fool



So by your reckoning the game should still be how it was back in may 2003 when it was first released? Nothing new, the same old stuff year after year?

Yeah, sure that would be fun. Eve wouldn't even have lasted a year if it wasn't for new content and upgrades CCP give us - fool.

LMFAO! Laughing

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2005.12.18 22:15:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?

Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?

Any suggestions?


Quit...for the last 24 to 28 hours I have had zero problems...as in no problems what so ever...even if that was not the case i would not want freedays I would much rather they put the cash into future hardware upgrades (oh wow like go read the sodding dev blog they are).

Been lowsec ratting all day making a lot more in bountys then ever before hunting in this system (gotta love those new BC rats Very Happy).

SharkBaait
Posted - 2005.12.18 22:22:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Mistress Sanchez
Originally by: Hanan Lazaar
Really, they make so much money in one or two days??? I didn't knew they make so much profit. But if so, than we surely can expect faster servers very soon?


80k accounts * 2 days each = 160 000 days of gameplay. 160 000 days /30 = 5333 months. 5333 months * 14.95 euro each = 79 733 euro.

This is just my own personal calculations, dont know if its true but keiron said that giving out free time is very costy.



yeah lets but it this way 80k * £10 per month ermmm £800k per month in subs feck me thats some profit! and they cant even get the hardware sorted with that sum of money coming ion everymonth - god some of you havent got a clue

Raw Dogg
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.12.18 22:36:00 - [28]
 

Profit which they are spending on buying a new supercluster which could take them into the top500. That is a fairly serious montary investment. Also they are setting up for China EVE, so make that two.

Derovius Vaden
Caldari
Posted - 2005.12.18 22:45:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
Free expansions... none of this "Jump to lightspeed" crap, or the EQ's area expansion packs which you have to buy... Or buy this for to get this new uber stuff etc etc.

Nope, we get free expansions. There your compensated. STFU.

Anyway what important thing have you to go to do anyway apart from cause the thing your whining about lol. I love 0.0.


I love you... Cool

Coconut Joe
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.12.18 22:50:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Sparschwein
Edited by: Sparschwein on 18/12/2005 21:26:59
STFU right back at you fanboy bunch.

I don't care about expansion stuff consisting of ships I'll never be able to buy.
I want to play and I can't.

The rest of your beautiful expansion is a lot of nerfs. Being thankful we don't have to pay for getting nerfed, are we?
Morons.


Give me your address and I'll send the 60 cents you've lost these last 3 days.
And maybe something else.


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