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Exel Aurora
Posted - 2003.08.27 00:36:00 - [151]
 

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Erm, invading Venal to somehow get at Space Invaders is not going to work very well. What are you planning to do to us in Venal? We don't mine. We don't trade. We've really got nothing in Venal for you to attack. A lot of us (at some times even a majority) aren't even IN Venal because we're out pirating.

If you want to kill space invaders you've got to catch and kill them while they are pirating, pretty much. It's the same for most pirate corps - not too many assets out there for you to attack. You've gotta go after the combat pilots. Which is one reason I think CCP needs to introduce better methods of tracking people down.



Well, if Space Invaders don't mine or trade, than why are they in the Venal Alliance? My guess would be to provide security and thus combat pilots? You say that you need to go after the combat pilots for pirate corporations. Therefore by going to Venal, you draw out the Space Invader combat pilots providing security to the Venal region. So, it seems pretty logical for me to go to Venal to attack Space Invader pilots.

But then again, I'm confused by your last paragraph. You say the majority of time Space Invaders aren't even in the Venal region, but off pirating. And since you guys don't mine or trade, does it make sense to be in a regional alliance? Pirate corporations are mobile and flexible, but by tying yourself to a region, you lose this mobility.

Which brings me to another point, why would a regional alliance want a corporation that brings no tangible economic benefits and is hardly ever in the region? Unless that regional alliance has other sinster motives. If I'm going off on a tangent, please put me back in line, but some of these issues do need to be addressed. Thank you.

Havana
Posted - 2003.08.27 00:52:00 - [152]
 

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Which brings me to another point, why would a regional alliance want a corporation that brings no tangible economic benefits and is hardly ever in the region? Unless that regional alliance has other sinster motives. If I'm going off on a tangent, please put me back in line, but some of these issues do need to be addressed. Thank you.


A most insightful point.

Homo Erectus
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2003.08.27 01:34:00 - [153]
 

hicks, what you just said was basically that the venal alliance supports the actions of the pirates outside of venal space.

Sedsiss
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2003.08.27 02:50:00 - [154]
 

Ok, for the last time, we do not want Venal, it smells and is full of odors of various nature. We want TTI destroyed for putting hits on our members, and allies members. To get at TTi, we have to kill Venal, since Venal is adamant in defending TTi. Again, we don't want Venal space. It's icky.

Class dismissed.

Sally
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.27 05:21:00 - [155]
 

Very interesting thread and still going on.

Evolution is a bunch of what? Bored miners.

They have killed some begginers in the early days, they liked it. Then they went on low-profile and mined a lot until they all got in their urinated Battleships and then they finally started to run around and try to shoot some people at random.

Pretty pointless to hear anything about pirates in Venal from your party, especially from Homo Neanderthal.

As for the Fountain people, you must be bored too. Attacking Venal to get Space Invaders or TTI or something.

We at SI feel very important now Exel. Invading Venal to hunt SI down.

Muahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha.

That's so cute.

We are nomadic. We destroy 100 ships for every ship we lose. Each time we lose a ship we are in a new one in a short time, because we have mostly expendable equipment.

Drakmarr V

Posted - 2003.08.27 07:19:00 - [156]
 

This topic is bordering lockdown, keep it in character and the next time I read anything that borders an ooc flame I will hit them with a warning.

frstkor13
Posted - 2003.08.27 08:58:00 - [157]
 

Yes Sally, that's very good.

Next time maybe you could recite the abc's and supply more valid information.

Ebil Pirate
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.27 09:11:00 - [158]
 

frstkor13 dude gimmi a call ingame Cool
lets have lunchLaughing

Viceroy
Posted - 2003.08.27 12:00:00 - [159]
 

OMG OMG they're coming to get us in Venal! OMG! We sit and mine or kill npcs all day so we're all sitting ducks! We're all in venal all the time, we never leave! We're a 300 member megacorp full of clueless n00bs in indies so we'll definatly get pounded!

No wait... We're a nomadic corporation of guerilla pilots that dont stay in one location for a long time and have the wits to know when to run and when to fight. We dont keep all our assets in one place, we dont have any known "HQ". We dont use big fat expensive ships so we dont really loose anything when we get shot down, and oh, we usually dont get shot down because we're too agile. We have good fighting skills and good coordination.

Err, so how on earth do you plan to hunt us down? So you have 9384093 battleships and 928309824 cruisers? Do you actually think that we'll stand and die? Or do you think that one unfortunate day we'll shoot down one of them nice fat battleships when we catch it alone and compensate for the future loss of 30 cruisers if the need arises? We've done it before.

So please do NOT threaten us, we have at least 10 corps doing that, and we havent really lost anything that would hurt.

Sure we loose cruisers every now and then! But they're all insured to the last penny, so no worry. Our corporation is based on profit through supreme tactics and strategy, not firepower and SMACK TALK.

sutty
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.27 12:26:00 - [160]
 

*me puts vice's ego back in box*


KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.27 12:49:00 - [161]
 

Edited by: KIAEddZ on 27/08/2003 12:51:41
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If a Venal Alliance member, let's say the Space Invader, are setting a pirate blockade in Pure Blind, for example, and call for assistance due to being attacked by a blockade removal force. Will KIA respond to this call for assistance or will KIA ignore it due to your stated non-pirating stance?


We would respond immediateley, if the lives of our brethren were threatened. That said, If they could retreat without losses, and the Blockade smashers were not enemys of venal, then we would resist sending forces until it became a matter of life and death for the VA.

Athule Snanm
Amarr
Rien Ici
Posted - 2003.08.27 12:59:00 - [162]
 

Current policy is that any agression on a Venal member within Venal will be responded to by all pilots able to suitably equip themselves and reach the endangered member within a reasonable time period. Outside Venal it is up to the discretion of individual pilots whether they respond or not - in general most will and do. This policy is currently under review.

sutty
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:01:00 - [163]
 

I just podded kiadalehead, TELL HIM I SAID HI.

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:12:00 - [164]
 

As for Evos invasion of our Territory. If this "war" was with TTI, then you should of kept it that way.

This is the honest reality of what happens on a daily basis in the Venal region due to this "war"

From 9am to about 2pm, European VA members (all of KIA are for example European) log on with thier alt characters, and mine etc in a distant solar system, making as much money as they would of at home. During the day, EVO kill a couple of cruiser and the Odd Battleship. During this time EVO pretty much have run of the area, although y4 is still pretty hairy for them to go.

About 2pm the US guys start loggin on. By about 3pm Y4 and n6 are safe and the immediate surroundings are being cleared, by about 4pm EVO are being actively hunted, and are generally found in warped to bookmarks, or sat in stations smack talking.

The cat and mouse games continue most of the night, normally Evo lose a cruiser and the Odd battleship, generally VA take 0 casualties in the evening.

This is the effect of thier war. 0 Effect tbh.

And so now VA prepares to send a similar amount of hardened and experienced BS to the Fountain Region, and so the game will be mirrored.

A total waste of our time, and idd of Evos. No one is really winning, although we have a small lead in BS destroyed, and they have a good lead in cruisers destroyed. Thats it.

if EVO had any sense, they would of hunted TTI outside of venal, and forced TTI to play thier hand, but by hunting them in Venal, they have forced the VA to actively defend, not defending TTI i might add, as this would of been a matter for discussion had they not invaded VA, but simply defending VA space.

Whoever decided this was the "way forward", needs dismissing from his rank, as he has about as much military sense, as my mum.

Going back to the SI corp situ, Fountain also have known pirates in thier ranks, and there has been many many complaints of killing in fountain space by FA members "defending" thier space, is this so different?. Its all swings and roundabouts, and the only winners here, are the people that gain respect, and tbh, Evo you just aint swinging it.

Everyone, from both sides needs to cut the crap, stop the smack talk, and stop lying about casualties etc, Evo need to state what they are trying to achieve in this, and be more realistic about their goals, VA need to respond to those demands. This petty hide and seek games, are already boring, and when we bring it to your space, youll seen realise its fruition, these "games" are more akin to a school playground, and this is supposedly an adult focused game. Confused

Things will get gradulaly hardeer for Evo, as our forces get cleverer and more used to fighting the flee combat style, they will ose more, and they will be forced to send greater mnumbers, which in turn will make them easier to kill, and the same will happen in fountain space etc etc, with our losses probably about equalling theirs.

LA dee dah tbh.

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:13:00 - [165]
 

Edited by: KIAEddZ on 27/08/2003 13:14:15
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I just podded kiadalehead, TELL HIM I SAID HI.


Yes well done, another egg kill for you guys. What heros :)

The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:24:00 - [166]
 

SI is hardly ever in Venal. Maybe one or two of their members on a daily basis. The rest are at their job - pirating.

As far as a big war with fountian - I don't see it happenning. Simply no one as a whole (such as TTI) wants to commit and I am very upset at this except for a select few and will have negative consquences in the long term and has done damage.

So myself, a few corp mates, and various friends from all corps in the alliance are going to take a little vacation and site seeing tour at this little place called fountain for an indefinate amount of time.

Please leave the light on for us and a pot of coffee. It will be a few days journey on the way there. Need to settle some scores along the way and tie up unfinished business.

It's our turn to play terrorist.


KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:27:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: KIAEddZ on 27/08/2003 13:33:30
Wretch as we have discussed b4, there are KIA pilots willing to go. maybe just give it 1 more day, as I know a lot of pilots fancy thier arm at playing as terrorists. ;)

Athule Snanm
Amarr
Rien Ici
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:32:00 - [168]
 

Ultimately guerilla style warfare is all you can expect in bandit country (unclaimed/pirate 0.0 regions). Open and/or large scale fleet warfare is only likely when two alliances or empires border each other or when the objectives are static. The first of the scenarios is unlikely for some time, the second I would imagine will come before then.

Once blueprints for stations, deep space bases and mobile refineries become available corporations that build them will have no choice but to defend them with fleets. Until then there are only two effective forms of warfare - one of which is targetted strikes against weak opponents. The second is less common, which is the use of agents to track down and assassinate individuals; ideally using suicide squads armed with disposable equipment, although anyone can do it.

(KIA - this is the IC forum, I suggest you edit your post to reflect that before the thread gets locked, at which point I will edit this out of my own)

Ulstan
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:32:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: Ulstan on 27/08/2003 13:38:01
"Well, if Space Invaders don't mine or trade, than why are they in the Venal Alliance?"

I dunno about the rest of the corp, but I go up to Venal area to hunt NPC's for equipment I need, or to raise some cash to buy another cruiser. This would be a lot more difficult for me to do if the whole Venal Alliance was out to get me :D Plus the Venal Alliance is doing a good job of getting people to come fight and stuff, which is always fun :) Basically it's a lot of fun to be in a big regional alliance at war with another big regional alliance, at least for people who enjoy PvP a lot.

"Therefore by going to Venal, you draw out the Space Invader combat pilots providing security to the Venal region. So, it seems pretty logical for me to go to Venal to attack Space Invader pilots."

It would be if the people going into Venal were actually attacking the fleets gathered to oppose them (where you'd find the SI pilots) but they aren't, they are blowing up miners and stuff. (Where you generally won't find SI pilots).

"But then again, I'm confused by your last paragraph. You say the majority of time Space Invaders aren't even in the Venal region, but off pirating. And since you guys don't mine or trade, does it make sense to be in a regional alliance? Pirate corporations are mobile and flexible, but by tying yourself to a region, you lose this mobility."

Currently being in Venal Alliance has not hurt us, nor really limited our mobility. I would have to say it's benefited us so far. There are times you need to do stuff in 0.0 space, and it's good to not have everyone in that space out to get you.

"Which brings me to another point, why would a regional alliance want a corporation that brings no tangible economic benefits and is hardly ever in the region?"

Possibly because we'd be in the region a lot more if we weren't in the alliance. We'd be there pirating their ships. :D As it is, they get a group of fairly experienced combat pilots to help or who will be able to guard the approaches to Venal. Yes, we camp gates in pure blind and lonetrek areas, evil us :) However, this way the region has a group of combat ready ships 'guarding' the approaches to the region, and not pilots who are grumpy at being there and would rather be mining so they can fly a bs. Oh and maybe they benefit from us buying lots of cruisers when we lose ours. Laughing And although we aren't in the region all that much, we do try to come if there is going to be a fight or we are needed :)


The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:36:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: The Wretch on 27/08/2003 13:41:48
You KIA guys/gals rock. It's too bad some larger more well funded corps don't have the drive and determination you all do (pride?). You are willing to take on bships in frigates and cruisers with out hesitaion - maybe stupid but brave Razz . If I could afford it I would buy you all bships - but money has now become a low priority for my corp.

As far as fountain goes - don't worry about it. It is just a vaction after all and sight seeing trip. Work on getting fund to get better equipment to compete would be my suggestion. But if you feel the need for a "vacation", by all means - you deserve it.

sutty
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:37:00 - [171]
 

Edited by: sutty on 27/08/2003 13:38:28
odd battleship and cruiser, ? lol ok lets start.

non of our members have cruisers.
secondly we have lost 3 geddons, non of which was in the last 2 days.

edit- when you come to our ground you play on our terms. no matter what you do you wont win :) since we will play the same game.

Ulstan
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:40:00 - [172]
 

"non of our members have cruisers."

In this thread, or one of the other numerous threads on this issue, one of the people invading Venal was saying that although he'd lost a couple cruisers, he hadn't ever been podded.

So someone *used* to have cruisers anyway :)

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.27 13:48:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: KIAEddZ on 27/08/2003 13:50:09
Quote:
Edited by: sutty on 27/08/2003 13:38:28
odd battleship and cruiser, ? lol ok lets start.

non of our members have cruisers.
secondly we have lost 3 geddons, non of which was in the last 2 days.

edit- when you come to our ground you play on our terms. no matter what you do you wont win :) since we will play the same game.


And this is my whole point, its just bare faced lies, or more likely you are a clueless wannabe, who just managed to get in on teh action these past few days, and have no real idea of anything that has happened until the point you "joined the war effort". Add that to your mouth, and your amazing ability to kill EGGS!!!! and wow, wanna join KIA? xx

You lost 2 bbs on the very first day of combat.

Its a shame that your corp has to rely on the public face being people like yourself, it really doesnt do them any favours.

I have 0 interest in propaganda, i wouldnt mind seeing some resolve, but should it not happen, its just gonna be amatter of waiting for you guys to get bored of running, and slouch back to your system to save for your titan, or whwtver it is you guys do :).

Annhilation of TTI or in fact of anyone, is looking like a very slim possibilty tbh Sutty, due to the way combat is activated in our world, just taking a cruiser is a work of art. WARP AWAY WARP AWAY!! :)

Sedsiss
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2003.08.27 14:07:00 - [174]
 

Wretch, my respect for you went up a few notches, finnaly a Venal corp willing to do more than form a blob:) I look forward to our future encounters with Cyberdyne.

As for KIA, they say we use propoganda, but if anyone has kept track of numbers you'd notice KIA's tend to be overly optomistic to outright false about most. Though I should point out to all this is just Evolution doing the attacks to get at TTi, and an invasion of Fountain would cause a very bloody mess:o

Athule Snanm
Amarr
Rien Ici
Posted - 2003.08.27 14:12:00 - [175]
 

Perhaps then Sedsiss would like to explain why several Xanadu pilots were operating in conjunction with a lone Evolution terrorist yesterday?

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.27 14:21:00 - [176]
 

KIA has been involved in every single loss and win for VA.

I know the figures, I am not guessing, nor am I telling to impress, and my reflection on the activities within Venal are honest and true.

KIA wish to gain nothing more than to remain respected in and out of this conflict, we are not interested in petty exageration, or propagandarist news. We are only interested in a timely resolve to this pathetic situation, and a return to more profitable uses of all of our time.

You are achieveing nothing, you have achieved nothing, and will achieve nothing. Your tactical approach is both weak and immature, you goal impossible, your resources negligible, and most importantly your pilots, forgettable.

See you in space, well I'll see your warp trails anyways :)

sutty
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.27 14:35:00 - [177]
 

*flicks corpses round* I erge you to read "the wrenches" post on page 6-7 on this thread

EveJunkie
Posted - 2003.08.27 14:41:00 - [178]
 

Quote:
Going back to the SI corp situ, Fountain also have known pirates in thier ranks, and there has been many many complaints of killing in fountain space by FA members "defending" thier space, is this so different?.


Actually Fountain doesnt have any pirates in thier ranks. And the people killed in Fountain by patrols were first warned and asked to leave. They are only shot if they refuse to leave peacefully/shoot at us or return after being warned.

trap
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2003.08.27 14:58:00 - [179]
 

hahahahaha all i say is bring it... so u can lose it!

OMG OMG OMG ALL UR SHIPS R B3L0NG TO M3!!

KIAHicks
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2003.08.27 15:31:00 - [180]
 

Yes evo have been hitting our miners, yes they have destroyed and podded them. However evo have lost three Battleships that I know of, I have the corpse of one of their pilots to proove that.

Based on current trade figures I guess you'd need to kill at least 10 to 15 decent cruisers just to make up for each battleship you lose.

You've killed perhaps 5 or 6 KIA cruisers, 2 of which were lost taking down one of your battleships.

We may be losing on ship loses, however on a cost bases we are very much ahead. Continuing this invasion of venal will only lead to the more of the same, cruiser losses for battleship losses. I doubt your having any great impact on venal operations.

It would greatly please me to know how your fight against the "pirates" of venal, who after all are the reason behind your invasion is progressing.

Have you managed to destroy any of their ships yet? Or have all your efforst so far just resulted in collateral damage?


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