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Klydor
Minmatar
Posted - 2003.08.25 23:56:00 - [121]
 

OOC comments removed - Orestes

Femme Fatal
Roving Guns Inc.
Posted - 2003.08.26 07:03:00 - [122]
 

Hmm interesting.. Evo and CoC are pirates because they attack TTI while at war with you??

I guess I need to work on my pirate talking

"yArRRr" "harRrrR"

Spanker
Bermuda Syndrome Industries
Posted - 2003.08.26 08:42:00 - [123]
 

Mr Klydor.

Your lack of corporation membership and negative security rating are reasons enough as to why Absolut Profit cannot have been envolved in an open attack against you. We just don't operate like that. The members of our corporation who travel the inky depths of space are very clear on this point. If you were sitting unscathed in the midst of a VA fleet, well that's another story entirely isn't it.

If you can show us some proof to back your insinuations we will be glad to offer a formal apology.




Regards,
Spank

Spawn El'Marr
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.26 09:46:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Spawn El'Marr on 26/08/2003 09:58:33

Spawn El'Marr
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.26 09:53:00 - [125]
 

OOC comments removed - Orestes

Viceroy
Posted - 2003.08.26 10:02:00 - [126]
 

Quote:
pirates should not feel safe up in Venal or anywhere


*cough* Laughing *cough*

Spanker
Bermuda Syndrome Industries
Posted - 2003.08.26 10:25:00 - [127]
 

Viceroy,

Please ask your honourable leader what happened last time he was safe =)



minesweeper
Posted - 2003.08.26 10:56:00 - [128]
 

Quote:
The only reason you could beleive I am using an alt would be either:

My lack of a corporation: The corporation I'm in is not officially defined, this allows us protection from war declarations.


And this, my dear sir is exactly why everyone who is in a warzone is either with or against us. If the goal of a war is to disrupt the workings of a corporation that will also mean not allowing the enemy to weasel out by using alts in different corporations and continue their business. We KNOW our enemies use alts to try and get around us, we cannot allow this.

Someone here claims to be killed in OBE a while ago, this is very possible. But he fails to mention that at that time in OBE we broadcasted warnings constantly in local chat in OBE about it being a warzone and that we WOULD kill anyone trying to leave. We did let some people pass without having to pay if we could confirm they were not alts for an enemy.

So please stop confusing a military lockdown with pirating since its definitely not the same

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.26 11:07:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: KIAEddZ on 26/08/2003 11:07:26
Some observations:

Jade does idd own in this thread, pity she is on hols.

There are some very valid pointsfrom the aggrieved in this thread.

KIA has been in VA for just iver a week, here are my understadings.

We are an Allinace made of Pirate Corps AND Non Pirate Corps.

Within these differing Corps ar emembers who have a tendency towards one or the other. Ther are some Space Invader guys who very very rarely Gate camp, ther are some that do nothing but that.

KIA are a NON PIRATE CORP. This means i Have forbidden my mmebers from setting a gate camp outside of venal space for Profit reasons. Within Venal Space KIA will set gate camps for incoming travellers, and to a lesser extent outgoing. Anyone attempting to pass, who is not on the VA list, will be Killed, and if deemed warranted by the Ranking Officer, podded.

Outside of Venal space, KIA will only actively protect other VA members. If a call for help arrives, we will do everything in our powers to see this through.

Any KIA member who involves himself in acts of piracy (threat or agrression for profit) will be severely remonstrated, just because you dont see it happen doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

We are comfotable that our alliance has Pirate Corps, we make no denail of this, as I am sure are TTI, as for the denial they are suppsoed to have made, I ahev seen nothing recently. Doesnt make me a pirate, just makes me a pilot that has Pirate friends. Do I condone their actions? No, but do I let that effect my relationship/friendship with them? No.

VA sees ALL streams of revenue as fair game, it is down to the Individual Corps to decide how they wish to play it. Pure blind is our border, so it is obvious that those wishing to make monies via extortion, will choose this highly active area to do so.

The Winner is the Respected.

p.s my typing does idd suck. :)

Shadow Walker
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2003.08.26 12:05:00 - [130]
 

The Venal Alliance is a joke, why not redeam yourselves and come get some fountain boys?Very Happy We all are getting tired preparing for war and, because we are such a threat, no one even bothers to pass anymoreSad.

Viceroy
Posted - 2003.08.26 12:51:00 - [131]
 

Quote:
Viceroy,

Please ask your honourable leader what happened last time he was safe =)





Yarr! Ask yer own leaders why they hire pirates (aka me) to do their dirty business! Business is business but dont be preaching about teh holy crusade! YARRRR!

Spanker
Bermuda Syndrome Industries
Posted - 2003.08.26 13:04:00 - [132]
 

Quote:

Yarr! Ask yer own leaders why they hire pirates (aka me) to do their dirty business! Business is business but dont be preaching about teh holy crusade! YARRRR!


What on earth are you implying? That we have had dealings with the likes of SI and other lowly pirate scum? For that insolence you will be shot on sight! If you apologise in a timely manner, I shall perhaps consider sparing your life.


Best wishes,
Spank

Spawn El'Marr
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.26 13:38:00 - [133]
 

Spanker, Viceroy is actualy right. I will not lie and say he is lying. We did hire his services once a long long time ago, before you joined Absolut Profit.
In my ignorance I did not know he was a Pirate when I hired him on irc, I did not ask who he was in game or which corp. It would probably not have mattered if he had said he was in Space Invaders because I had never heard about them at that time and did not know they were Pirates.
Viceroy did a excellent job and I salute and thank him for that, but since I now know he is a pirate I would not hire his services again.
I did a misstake even though I was not aware of it at that time, but much later, and I'm man enough to admit it and not hide the fact.


Spanker
Bermuda Syndrome Industries
Posted - 2003.08.26 13:46:00 - [134]
 

Mr Viceroy,

It seems you were not talking out of the back of your head after all. I am shocked and disgusted by this news, but I certainly apologize to you for my blatant attack on your person and will surely be more careful when judge someone in the future.


Well met,
Spank

Klydor
Minmatar
Posted - 2003.08.26 14:24:00 - [135]
 

Quote:
Mr Klydor.

Your lack of corporation membership and negative security rating are reasons enough as to why Absolut Profit cannot have been envolved in an open attack against you. We just don't operate like that. The members of our corporation who travel the inky depths of space are very clear on this point. If you were sitting unscathed in the midst of a VA fleet, well that's another story entirely isn't it.

If you can show us some proof to back your insinuations we will be glad to offer a formal apology.




Regards,
Spank


Allow me to try and explain this:

Corporation: I am a member of a corporation who operate without official status. I receive mission assignments from my CEO, I have no knowledge of who else may be in my corporation. In fact for all I know I could be working for a single person corporation, or a front for an existing corporation. However the isk compensation more than makes up for this.

As for my security rating, I have no reason to kill gate pirates, I have very little reason to kill pirates or other corporations full stop. Any killing I do occurs in 0.0 regions against corporation who concord do not consider giving me a security hit for.

If I did such activities in high security space, I'm sure I would have quite a negative security rating by now.

Also the majority of my activities do not require violence, I mearly obtain intelligence for contracts assigned by my current ceo. As to which corporations benefit from my intel I do not know and do not care, so long as the isk is enough I will continue to do so.


Viceroy
Posted - 2003.08.26 14:49:00 - [136]
 

Yes, we are gentleman pirates, so its hard to tell us apart from everyday people ;) I'm sure that Spawn had no idea what so ever that i was a pirate when he hired my services (though i was a bounty hunter before i became a pirate). Everything looked legal so I'm afraid Spawn was this victim of my silver tounge and charismatic baldness/eyebrows. Cant blame him, I have clouded many good mens judgement with my eyebrows!

YARRRR I Say! Business is business.

Homo Erectus
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2003.08.26 17:12:00 - [137]
 

it's still funny to me, that people don't understand that they too are pirates, when they sleep with and support those who sit at ewok area and kill everyone.

The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems
Posted - 2003.08.26 17:53:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: The Wretch on 26/08/2003 17:54:09
"The Venal Alliance is a joke, why not redeam yourselves and come get some fountain boys? We all are getting tired preparing for war and, because we are such a threat, no one even bothers to pass anymore."

I and a few other would love to do just that. I am sure from your spy amoung venal ranks could report that myself and a few others have been pushing for this very hard. But their seems to just be support for defending venal and playing around with evo in HP and surrounding systems.

It was fun at first, but now getting to be a boring daily routine.

Evo sneaks in and blows up some ships mining or farming here and there (I hope these ppl in the alliance are learning from their mistakes - they only have themsleves to blame). Then a force goes down to HP (Evos now other home) and a game of cat and mouse along with smack talk begins (which is funny sometimes). Just rinse and repeat.

To be honest, as long as Evo and who ever else stays in HP there IS no Venal alliance. It is the 6N and Y alliance.

Only time will tell if you will get your attack wish and if the alliance even holds together. This inaction is wearing thin fast for my corp.

Neutral




eriq
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.26 18:14:00 - [139]
 

hehe, for me this entire episode has shown me how boring this game has become and how woefully inadequate are the game mechanics...

Exel Aurora
Posted - 2003.08.26 19:15:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: Exel Aurora on 26/08/2003 19:17:56
Quote:
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 26/08/2003 11:07:26
KIA are a NON PIRATE CORP. This means i Have forbidden my mmebers from setting a gate camp outside of venal space for Profit reasons. Within Venal Space KIA will set gate camps for incoming travellers, and to a lesser extent outgoing. Anyone attempting to pass, who is not on the VA list, will be Killed, and if deemed warranted by the Ranking Officer, podded.

Outside of Venal space, KIA will only actively protect other VA members. If a call for help arrives, we will do everything in our powers to see this through.

Any KIA member who involves himself in acts of piracy (threat or agrression for profit) will be severely remonstrated, just because you dont see it happen doesnt mean it doesnt happen.




If a Venal Alliance member, let's say the Space Invader, are setting a pirate blockade in Pure Blind, for example, and call for assistance due to being attacked by a blockade removal force. Will KIA respond to this call for assistance or will KIA ignore it due to your stated non-pirating stance?

Homo Erectus
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2003.08.26 19:28:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Homo Erectus on 26/08/2003 19:32:20
someone stole my words and made them into a sig ;[

actually, what i should say is, someone stole the words that i stole, and made them into a sig

Ulstan
Posted - 2003.08.26 20:02:00 - [142]
 

"Will KIA respond to this call for assistance or will KIA ignore it due to your stated non-pirating stance?"

I would say it depends on if the forces doing the removing are enemies of Venal, who we are all free to try to kill wherever they may be found, or just innocent corps who don't like pirates :)



Homo Erectus
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2003.08.26 20:07:00 - [143]
 

Edited by: Homo Erectus on 26/08/2003 20:09:30
that doesn't make sense dude. half the people who are enemies of venal now, are enemies of venal because they were sick of being pirated outside of venal, thus they took the fight to the pirates home, which was venal.

so basically, you have made a very lame way to include all of venal to defend your pirating activities.

KIAHicks
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2003.08.26 20:23:00 - [144]
 

and by taking that fight to venal space, you have made enemies of the entire of venal. Corporations who would normally not consider fighting you will now do so whenever the oppertunity arises.

If you do not want to be enemies of venal, then the solution is simple. Stay out of venal and hunt pirate corporations outside of venal space.

Exel Aurora
Posted - 2003.08.26 20:54:00 - [145]
 

Quote:
and by taking that fight to venal space, you have made enemies of the entire of venal. Corporations who would normally not consider fighting you will now do so whenever the oppertunity arises.

If you do not want to be enemies of venal, then the solution is simple. Stay out of venal and hunt pirate corporations outside of venal space.


Whether you like or not, you harbour pirate corporations and thus you implicitly support them. You provide them a safe haven, plain and simple. Almost every corporation knows that the Space Invader corporation resides in Venal, thus it only makes sense for those corps to seek them out there. Well, this looks like a declaration of war for any corporation looking to hunt the Space Invader corporation in their own turf. Hope all the Venal Alliance members are prepared to fight anywhere and everywhere than.

Cormyat Astara
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.08.26 20:55:00 - [146]
 

Hmm...let's see. Fountain operatives make offers to compensate certain V.A. members with negative sec ratings in exchange for intelligence: And you don't make deals with pirates? Evol pod-kills members with positive sec-ratings in non-military ships, and does so because this is war--and so anything goes in war? So all morality and mercy then goes out the window, and you are freed to sinlessly vaporize miners? Lol!

Spare us all the sanctimonious platitudes, please. I would wager the vast majority of Evol and affiliated operatives get their jollies from pod-killing noobs every bit as much as any pirate. It doesn't wash. You aren't any more pure or righteous--you just needed a cause that would provide you some formal justification to behave as pirates. It's the old "pirates have all the fun" conundrum..."EVE is boring--but how can I be a pirate without people thinking that I am a pirate?"

After all, members of a corporation of such noble purpose and intentions as Evolution, whose collective ***** does not eminate any unpleasant odor, wouldn't want to have to face the repercussions of bearing a negative sec rating now, would they? Someone might think they are not nice! :(

And by the way, if Evol takes Venal, does anyone truly believe they will be any kinder or more just to outsiders of all origins--especially when Jovian space becomes accessible?

I think not. It's all hypocrisy. At least we in Venal acknowledge our ties with our shadier allies. I can fully understand the chagrin felt by those in Torrinos and Lonetrek border-space who have been harrassed by pirates, yet Venal pirate corps account for only a fraction of the pirate activities in that region. Why is Evolution not actively hunting Joker corp?

I know, I know! Because Joker corp does not occupy a strategically important region on the edge of Jovian space.

This is an Evolution power-play and an excuse for some good-old guilt-free death and destruction. Nothing more, nothing less.

jigga
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2003.08.26 21:13:00 - [147]
 

Quote:
Evolution
Bladerunners
Cult of Chithulu
Absolute Profit
Cult of RFT
Cornexant (unknown if working with any of the above corporations, seeing as they came a little later, however will now be classified as KOS for their clear dismay against the VA - Cornexant quote: "We do not recognize the soverignty of the Venal Alliance")

They came (together, to Venal) they saw, they fled.

I am trying to think of some other reason other than them wanting to overthrow the region for their invasion. But i can't see why a fleet of that size would have just the sole intention of sight seeing.

This childhood game of "ring the doorbell and run" grows very tiresome.




Cornexant does not recognize the sovereignty of the Venal Alliance due to its policy of providing protection for the Space Invader's corporation. A Space Invader member, Yatar Kindoski, has recently destroyed a Cornexant industrial piloted by Xoem. We went to the region, Venal, where they are based and where we can engage them. Simple as that.

Now that we are listed as kill-on-site by all Venal Alliance members, we will be more than happy to engage any Venal Alliance members in almost any place we find them. Cornexant has a strong anti-pirating stance and we will engage corporations that either pirate themselves or support pirating.

Look forward to all future engagements.

Klydor
Minmatar
Posted - 2003.08.26 21:54:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: Klydor on 26/08/2003 21:55:59
I would caution both sides not to bite off more than they can chew. It seems Venal and the fountain alliance are heading for war.

Venal are acused of harbouring pirates, or at least providing a safe haven for them. Due to the attacks on pirates in venal space, the entire of the venal alliance will be dragged into the conflict.

On the other side we have the fountain alliance who are been dragged into the dispute due to the action of it's members, who wish to stand up against the pirates plauging 0.0 regions.

It seems a war between a handful of corps and a handful of pirates is escalating into a full out war between two strong alliances.

I hope both sides have carfully considered the ramifications of this and are fully prepared.

Shadow Walker
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2003.08.27 00:07:00 - [149]
 

Quote:
and by taking that fight to venal space, you have made enemies of the entire of venal. Corporations who would normally not consider fighting you will now do so whenever the oppertunity arises.

If you do not want to be enemies of venal, then the solution is simple. Stay out of venal and hunt pirate corporations outside of venal space.


....im so sure evo feels so threatened now, considering Foutain backs Evo 100%, atleast to my knowledge, so i mean to get to Evo come get us first, or are you to concerened with ur precious mining ops.

Ulstan
Posted - 2003.08.27 00:13:00 - [150]
 

"Whether you like or not, you harbour pirate corporations and thus you implicitly support them. You provide them a safe haven, plain and simple."

Hey so does Concorde :)


"Almost every corporation knows that the Space Invader corporation resides in Venal, thus it only makes sense for those corps to seek them out there."

Erm, invading Venal to somehow get at Space Invaders is not going to work very well. What are you planning to do to us in Venal? We don't mine. We don't trade. We've really got nothing in Venal for you to attack. A lot of us (at some times even a majority) aren't even IN Venal because we're out pirating.

If you want to kill space invaders you've got to catch and kill them while they are pirating, pretty much. It's the same for most pirate corps - not too many assets out there for you to attack. You've gotta go after the combat pilots. Which is one reason I think CCP needs to introduce better methods of tracking people down.








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