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Ulstan
Posted - 2003.08.21 15:35:00 - [91]
 

"Who do you think is willing to do business with you, when your Alliance Members rob & shoot them on their way to you?"

Obviously no one.

And just as obviously, we will issue orders that people coming to trade with us are to be let through.

It's not as though we are trying to attract casual buyers. No one is going to jump 40 jumps out to Venal from empire space to buy some random market goods.

We'll either have to sell stuff on a trade channel or bring it closer to empire space.

The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems
Posted - 2003.08.21 15:57:00 - [92]
 

I just haul the goods I am selling into empire space. Simpler that way.

As far as customers coming into venal to buy/sell goods -

We have a web page that is updated constantly to all venal alliance members and fully interactive with the in game browser.

No one attacks anyone with out verifying against the "list".

We have only had one death that has ever occured to a merchant due to a mistake Embarassed .





The Editor
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.21 16:23:00 - [93]
 

/em grumbles

"Anybody here going to speak some proper english or ya just gonna keep on mutilatin' it with bad pretense at Queens?"

/em coughs

"As to the plonker who thinks it's poetry 'pull yer head from up her arse', you'll sufficate and it don't smell any better than anybody else's'"

/em breaks wind and savours the aroma

"Facts are facts:

TTi have withdrawn from supporting the VA pirates anywhere outside of Venal space.

TTi have paid reperations to a number of pilots for wanton destruction alongside VA pirates.

TTi are seeking their way back into Empire space and individuals have already set up bases back in Empire areas.

There was no "Sister of EVE plea for help" and the whole reason for even claiming it originaly (TTi helping pirates outside Venal)has been scrapped...

Just someone forgot to tell Ms Constantwhine, hence all the above slaver****."

/em sighs

"As every day passes it becomes clearer and clearer that the industrial powers behind the Venal Alliance are tiring of their piratical brethren.

How long till the likes of SI find themselves caught between the rock of Lonetrek and the vapid whine of Venal?"

/em laughs

"Not long!"


"Tread lightly Ms Jade, lest the walls of Jericho are bought down once more by too loud a noise and litte substance."

Maud Dib
Caldari
The Bleeding Heart Cult
Posted - 2003.08.21 17:32:00 - [94]
 

If someone would be so kind as to post the VA site address then people could at lest get some of their questions answered before resorting to ill informed speculation.

Gafton
Anormalii S.A.
Posted - 2003.08.21 19:22:00 - [95]
 

Quote:

"Anybody here going to speak some proper english or ya just gonna keep on mutilatin' it with bad pretense at Queens?"



And you criticize others on their speach? Furthermore, you should see about setting up a session or two with a psychiatrist. Tour TTI obsession is getting rather old, and seems to be getting worse. If you look back at this thread, you're the only one who ever mentions TTI. This thread isnt about them, it's about the Alliance itself, not a specific member corporation.

To Maud Dib: The "List"


Ulstan
Posted - 2003.08.22 01:00:00 - [96]
 

"How long till the likes of SI find themselves caught between the rock of Lonetrek and the vapid whine of Venal?"

You know, I think, just maybe, we could survive without an alliance backing us up wherever we go. ;)


The Editor
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.22 02:23:00 - [97]
 

Quote:
Quote:

"Anybody here going to speak some proper english or ya just gonna keep on mutilatin' it with bad pretense at Queens?"



And you criticize others on their speach? Furthermore, you should see about setting up a session or two with a psychiatrist. Tour TTI obsession is getting rather old, and seems to be getting worse. If you look back at this thread, you're the only one who ever mentions TTI. This thread isnt about them, it's about the Alliance itself, not a specific member corporation.




"Go look up irony, fool. I mean, what do i have to do? Add "WARNING! IRONY!" alerts for the thick of skull?



The VA "is" TTi, without them they revert to a rather meaningless group hiding out in the fringes as incapable of self-determination now as there were before TTi relocated there.

Or did you wonder why everybody went "Who the hell are the VA?" when TTi moved up there?

That includes your own "no-name, no fame" corp... possibly half the reason why you're afraid to show it on here."

/em The Editor pants with a painful expression on his face and a rough tightening in his chest

"The moment TTi up and leave your little club you are all fodder for the first half-competent neophyte alliance that decides to grace your region with some anti-matter."

/ocL; The Ed', clutching his chest and staggering purposefully for the doorway eeks out a final painful "Sweetheart!" and falls to the floor at the foot of a very attractive blonde, who says:

"Oh ****! Somebody get a medic!"

Gafton
Anormalii S.A.
Posted - 2003.08.22 04:19:00 - [98]
 

Oh, I'm sorry ed, from reading your previous posts I thought you were a crude, drunk, disgusting individual. But then I should have known that the vulgarity and lack of intellect was done on purpose to throw off the reader. Your posting of rumor and speculation as facts would therefore be done to entertain the reader?

As for my "no-name" "no-fame" corporation, how would you suggest I make it known? I could go kill people, but then I'd be classified as an evil pirate. Or I could open up recruiting and let every applicant into the corporation and become another large corporation. Or hey I know, I could keep my corp small so that the corporation and it's members prosper instead of being too large to manage.

Your mentioning of TTI yet again shows that you are obsessed with them. Do you think that eve revolves around a single corp? That you think them that important to mention in close to all of you posts? If something happens it's all of a sudden a result of something TTI did? I mean come on, are you paid more if you mention TTI all the time?

As for your statement of TTI leaving the alliance, where did you get your information? Bottle of scotch, or was it a case of beer? Usually reporters provide evidence, not speculation for their "facts". Your comment about TTI not supporting pirates outside of venal has been stated numerous times. Your reading skills failing or are you a little "thick" in the skull yourself? Hey I know, it's one of those selective facts right? Where if it doesn’t support your position or ideas then it's not true? Yea that must be it, considering you're paid to badmou.. I mean report about TTI.

As for the alliance falling to the “first half-competent neophyte alliance”, who would you propose do that? Stain is too far away, fountain is a joke. That leaves individual corps or allied corps to try and take over. If they did take over then what? They’d have to spend their time patrolling and keeping others out, which would take away from their blockading systems in empire space.

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.22 11:55:00 - [99]
 

"Usually reporters provide evidence, not speculation for their "facts". Your comment about TTI not supporting pirates outside of venal has been stated numerous times. Your reading skills failing or are you a little "thick" in the skull yourself? Hey I know, it's one of those selective facts right? Where if it doesn’t support your position or ideas then it's not true? Yea that must be it, considering you're paid to badmou.. I mean report about TTI."

... I think 'tis just a simple reference to official statement issued by Mr.Nimitz of TTi just few days ago in another discussion

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"It appears that one TTI ship was at a gate with several members of another corp.

The gate was in Pure Blind but lead to Venal. Because of this they occupied the gate under the pretense of protecting Venal soverignty.

Because this was not in Venal our ship should not have been present. I will be taking care of reimbursement to Yyrkoon for the Bestower that was destroyed in the incident and I have instructed our membership that we do NOT participate in this type of activity outside of Venal.

TTI will continue to operate with the Venal Alliance within Venal and will monitor access WITHIN Venal. We will participate in gate patrols inside the Venal region and will fully defend our soverignty and that of our alliance partners.

That being said we will not operate outside Venal in the manner again"

Ulstan
Posted - 2003.08.22 12:41:00 - [100]
 

I see no reason why TTi would need to leave the Venal alliance. As far as I can tell it seems to be working out well.

And if you think the Venal alliance losing TTI would be the death blow for all the pirate corps around Venal you don't know much about pirate corps. ;)

Cormyat Astara
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.08.22 17:01:00 - [101]
 

The assumption that TTI somehow runs or controls the Venal Alliance is laughable. TTI is an extroardinarily well-run business which has found that it has a mutual business interest in the Venal region with various other corporations. VA is a loose coalition of autonomous corporations. While each has input into the actions of the others, none has control--especially outside of Venal. Perhaps if certain individuals would acknowledge the inevitable diversity of behaviors and interests that stems from this type of coalition, the misconception that there is some sort of insidious TTI plot afoot could be relegated to the same trash-heap as other childish fairy tales.

Archain
Minmatar
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2003.08.22 19:07:00 - [102]
 

I'd just like to take this opportunity to say once again, "Ulstan, you are my hero and my pizzaguy."

Thank you.

The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems
Posted - 2003.08.22 20:01:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: The Wretch on 23/08/2003 01:51:48


Cormyat Astara - a person with good sense.

And, to the little people of EvE who finally realize this, will understand it is what makes us successfull.

One very simple rule: protect and keep venal as our own and do what ever you please(legit business, pirate, homocide, get laid, and so forth).

Of coarse we will most likely help one another out side of venal. Just a byproduct of good ties formed between the corps in the alliance.




Fortoye Drak
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.23 04:14:00 - [104]
 

Quote:

As for the alliance falling to the “first half-competent neophyte alliance”, who would you propose do that?


I think, despite your obviously erroneous criticism of his lack of journalistic "nowse" and inability to "have a clue" as to what is going on in EVE, he might well have been refering to this:

Dum dum Dum.... (queue music)

Gafton
Anormalii S.A.
Posted - 2003.08.23 18:43:00 - [105]
 

LOL you think evo is going to take over venal? They've tried in the past, and have failed. They tried again last night and I believe again this morning. Both attempts failed. I wish them luck in their efforts, and hope they bring a bigger fleet next time.

Sedsiss
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2003.08.24 02:27:00 - [106]
 

Now what ever gave you the idea we wanted venal?:)

Cormyat Astara
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.08.24 05:33:00 - [107]
 

I have a great deal of admiration for the cohesion and coordination shown by Evo on the battlefield. Okay, well, maybe not on the battlefield, since I have yet to witness any actual battle between Evolution and V-A fleets--but no one controls a 150km sphere of unassailable bookmarked space quite like Evolution. I can only imagine how a conversation between a seasoned Evolution combat pilot and an Evo newcomer must play out:

Evo Rook: "So, how did things go in Venal this weekend?"

Evo Vet: "We came, we destroyed a couple indies with positive sec ratings, we camped a couple gates, and then when they ammassed their fleet, we hid."

Evo Rook: "So you kicked arse then?"

Evo Vet: "Of course!"

I mean come on. You guys assemble a giant fleet and come all that distance only to stand down? It does nothing but waste your time and ours.

teh pR3acH3r
Stormlord Battleforce
Vanguard.
Posted - 2003.08.24 06:24:00 - [108]
 

Evolution
Bladerunners
Cult of Chithulu
Absolute Profit
Cult of RFT
Cornexant (unknown if working with any of the above corporations, seeing as they came a little later, however will now be classified as KOS for their clear dismay against the VA - Cornexant quote: "We do not recognize the soverignty of the Venal Alliance")

They came (together, to Venal) they saw, they fled.

I am trying to think of some other reason other than them wanting to overthrow the region for their invasion. But i can't see why a fleet of that size would have just the sole intention of sight seeing.

This childhood game of "ring the doorbell and run" grows very tiresome.


Xenas
Amarr
Posted - 2003.08.24 06:52:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Xenas on 24/08/2003 06:58:48


Try not to be so full of yourselfs.

Different corps are based in different time zones, what may be early afternoon for you may be 2am for another. Going to bed does not equal "they fled." Why don't you wait to see what the situation is a week from now.




Nova Starr
Posted - 2003.08.24 07:08:00 - [110]
 

My my how touchy we are! The continued fixation on one corporation in Eve is certainly annoying. Maybe all you little boys should grow up and play nice?

Nova

The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems
Posted - 2003.08.24 07:08:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: The Wretch on 24/08/2003 07:09:53

Xenas -

Venal alliance has spent 6+ hours straight today chasing out (around) multiple corps. Several ppl in the alliance where going on 12+ hours straight from earlier invasions and stayed till the fight was done.

There is no victory cry in this - actually no nothing. Just taking a broom and sweeping the rats out of venal as usual.

Normally we just defend venal and that's that. But the endless waves of attacks and for such long stretches have struck some bad nerves.

You can be assured there will be a massive retribution for this aggrivation on a scale no one would believe in the very near future.

I actually should thank those who kept leading the wave of attacks today. Finally convinced several key corps who wished to remain in a defensive stature in venal realize it's time to go on the offensive and put an end to the ***** incursions.

Back to business.





Nova Starr
Posted - 2003.08.24 07:10:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Nova Starr on 24/08/2003 07:21:51
Nova turns and walks from the platform onto the shuttle, her slaver following at her side, as the sun set across the arched roof of the station behind the majestic purple mountains of Tai Cygni 4. Looking over the confidential document on her padd she begins to transmit to an ally in Fountain who had infiltrated the corp and stolen into the upper echelons of one of Eve's most diabolical companies. "Good work as always this will come in handy". A reply quickly appears on the screen "No problem, but I have to go, hes coming".

As Nova took her seat she hit a few keys and transmitted the information to people who would put it to good use. Finishing the transmission with the cryptic phrase "Lets publish this and bring some rats into the light" she closed Padd and began to relax.

Leaning back in the seat she gazed out the porthole as the shuttle transversed the stratosphere of the planet and drifted into a deep sleep. Dreaming of the surprise that was soon to come she wondered if perhaps tomorrow they will realize what is really happening. Then again by then they would be cleaned out, and it would be far too late. Twisted Evil

Ulstan
Posted - 2003.08.24 22:25:00 - [113]
 

If one alliance laboriously assembles and brings a huge fleet to the home of the other alliance, and then, as soon as they make contact with the defensive fleet raised to meet them, vanish and log, then yes, that is a case of 'fleeing'. ;)

Sounds like things are getting more exciting though :)

Spawn El'Marr
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.25 09:33:00 - [114]
 

Quote:

Evolution
Bladerunners
Cult of Chithulu
Absolute Profit

They came (together, to Venal) they saw, they fled.

I am trying to think of some other reason other than them wanting to overthrow the region for their invasion. But i can't see why a fleet of that size would have just the sole intention of sight seeing.




You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
We (Bladerunners and Absolut Profit) came to Venal for mainly 1 reason. It was to kill Pirates in Venal (we got a total of 6 VA pirates, no losses. Wolfleader got away in a pod). As long as they are occupied defending in Venal and don't feel safe up there they won't be able to gatecamp and kill innocent traders, miners and npc hunters at the Ewok gate which they have been doing for the last weeks.
We can and will come back to hunt more of them if needed. All corps in the Lonetrek region and around there have had enough of the pirate activities around Ewok and Torrinos. The blockad of Pure Blind and Fade in the name of Venal Alliance was just too much.

We did not kill anyone else than Pirates and even though we met several TTI members on both our journey there and back, far away from Venal, we did not harm them in any way.

I don't know if you have noticed but the hate towards the Venal Alliance has increased a lot after the pirate corps of Venal began operating outside Venal. I guess it got to quiet up there in Venal when most players in the game just ignored and left Venal alone so they had to find new huntinggrounds.


Gafton
Anormalii S.A.
Posted - 2003.08.25 18:51:00 - [115]
 

Noble cruisade spawn. However, its been bugging me that you work with known pirates on your "cruisade". To openly denounce pirates then work with them has me confused. Why the contridiction in purpose?

Spawn El'Marr
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.25 19:43:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Spawn El'Marr on 25/08/2003 19:49:24
Edited by: Spawn El'Marr on 25/08/2003 19:46:44
Edited typos... and even more typos ...

Quote:
Noble cruisade spawn. However, its been bugging me that you work with known pirates on your "cruisade". To openly denounce pirates then work with them has me confused. Why the contridiction in purpose?


Sorry, but which corp are you referring to as a Pirate corp? As far as I know:
None of the corporations that were part of the "cruisade" have been or are a known pirate corp.
None of the corps have gate camped and killed innocent travelers.
None of the corps have demanded a toll fee from miners, traders or npc hunters to pass a gate.
None of the corps have threatend to destroy your ship if you dont pay a fee.

So I really don't understand which corp you are referring to in your post. But you may have more information (or false information) about our corporations past that I don't know of.


eriq
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.25 20:42:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: eriq on 25/08/2003 20:43:12
Quote:
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
We (Bladerunners and Absolut Profit) came to Venal for mainly 1 reason. It was to kill Pirates in Venal (we got a total of 6 VA pirates, no losses. Wolfleader got away in a pod). As long as they are occupied defending in Venal and don't feel safe up there they won't be able to gatecamp and kill innocent traders, miners and npc hunters at the Ewok gate which they have been doing for the last weeks.
We can and will come back to hunt more of them if needed. All corps in the Lonetrek region and around there have had enough of the pirate activities around Ewok and Torrinos. The blockad of Pure Blind and Fade in the name of Venal Alliance was just too much.

We did not kill anyone else than Pirates and even though we met several TTI members on both our journey there and back, far away from Venal, we did not harm them in any way.

I don't know if you have noticed but the hate towards the Venal Alliance has increased a lot after the pirate corps of Venal began operating outside Venal. I guess it got to quiet up there in Venal when most players in the game just ignored and left Venal alone so they had to find new hunting grounds.


that's very interesting, i'm in TTI and have been dismayed by the conflagration of hatred towards this corp, that has only one goal, attaining obscene amounts of isk. i understand your position as you've stated but don't know what the answer is though.

as for the pirate corps that you've allied with, CoC and Evolution are who is being referred to, they've been indiscriminently attacking TTI players for months, if you've seen TTI ships down in ec and ewok it's because we're looking for CoC and only CoC. and evolution were camping obe gates and killing passersby before i ever joined a corp, i've lost a couple of frigates and shuttles to evo when i was in the noob corp.

Klydor
Minmatar
Posted - 2003.08.25 22:20:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Klydor on 25/08/2003 22:21:54
Quote:

Sorry, but which corp are you referring to as a Pirate corp? As far as I know:
None of the corporations that were part of the "cruisade" have been or are a known pirate corp.
None of the corps have gate camped and killed innocent travelers.
None of the corps have demanded a toll fee from miners, traders or npc hunters to pass a gate.
None of the corps have threatend to destroy your ship if you dont pay a fee.

So I really don't understand which corp you are referring to in your post. But you may have more information (or false information) about our corporations past that I don't know of.



As much as I dislike those who call themselves the Venal Alliance. I have been killed many times more and had to flee on several occasions from the corps mentioned in a prior post above namley:

Evolution,
Cult of Chithulu,
Absolute Profit

In fact the only corp in the list that have not attacked me, and I have had aid from one of their members if memory serves me correctly is Bladerunners.

Frequently I've flown by Evolution members (mainly fleeing from their unprovoked attacks) and notice many of them have bounties on their heads and negative security ratings.

Now you cannot tell me that these ratings were gained attacking pirates, we all know rating such as these are only assigned in concord controlled space.

From a neutral point of view, if you wish to hurt the pirates, then do so when they are outside venal space. Hit them when they're farthest away from their backup. Trap them during a gate blockade.

Also at least this way you do not have to risk fighting the rest of the venal corps who claim not to be pirates and would thus only aid alliance members inside venal space.

Spawn El'Marr
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.25 22:53:00 - [119]
 

Quote:

As much as I dislike those who call themselves the Venal Alliance. I have been killed many times more and had to flee on several occasions from the corps mentioned in a prior post above namley:

Evolution,
Cult of Chithulu,
Absolute Profit

In fact the only corp in the list that have not attacked me, and I have had aid from one of their members if memory serves me correctly is Bladerunners.



Since you are posting with an alternate char I can't verify who you really are, but I bet you are a pirate. Show me a screenshot or something that shows that AP members has hunted you.
Absolut Profit has NOT ever attacked any player that did not have negative security rating or is in a well known Pirate Corp, or has attacked us first.
So I suspect you are either confusing Absolut Profit with some other coproration or are a pirate yourself and too afraid of showing your real charactername.


Quote:

From a neutral point of view, if you wish to hurt the pirates, then do so when they are outside venal space. Hit them when they're farthest away from their backup. Trap them during a gate blockade.

Also at least this way you do not have to risk fighting the rest of the venal corps who claim not to be pirates and would thus only aid alliance members inside venal space.


You obviously don't know anything about warfare in Eve. Everytime we have tried to hunt down these pirates outside Venal they have fled, time after time. Even if I jump in alone in a BS and they are two pirates at the gate they will warp away rather than risk loosing.
It's way to easy to get away in EVE and too hard for a attacking force to kill someone, except if you gatecamp and kill autopilot players of course.

And tell me why these Pirates should be allowed to operate in Lonetrek and be left alone and feel safe in Venal? As long as they are busy defending the Venal boarders they won't be able to do raids down in Lonetrek.

And yes, we had one or two CoC members in our gang during the weekend, but CoC are in War with TTI and VA and can thus not be counted as pirates when they attack their forces. It's called War.
We did not gang with Evolution, they were doing their operation and we were doing ours.
So I still don't know which Pirate Corp we were allied with.



eriq
Caldari
Posted - 2003.08.25 23:18:00 - [120]
 

Quote:
And tell me why these Pirates should be allowed to operate in Lonetrek and be left alone and feel safe in Venal? As long as they are busy defending the Venal boarders they won't be able to do raids down in Lonetrek.

And yes, we had one or two CoC members in our gang during the weekend, but CoC are in War with TTI and VA and can thus not be counted as pirates when they attack their forces. It's called War.
We did not gang with Evolution, they were doing their operation and we were doing ours.
So I still don't know which Pirate Corp we were allied with.


does this mean if TTI is in system and no CoC are around that AP doesn't attack us? What if CoC is attacking a TTI ship, do you help? What if Evolution is attacking an indy not affiliated with anyone? Do you attack them or let their pirating continue? So many permutations it makes your head spin doesn't it? :)

maybe we should all sit down and diagram who attacks who and when and in what system.

anyway, just adding a bit of brevity to the conversation. i'd sure feel better targetting someone that i'm sure needs to die, right now that's just coc and evo.

i don't know anything about Absolut Profit but i can speak to the pirate ways of evolution personally as i encountered them gate camping (separately) before i ever joined a corp in obe.


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