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Maud Dib
Caldari
The Bleeding Heart Cult
Posted - 2003.08.19 17:47:00 - [61]
 

The lady Jade has made no pretense as to wether or not the VA are pirates on this or any other post that I perchance have come accross.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.19 17:54:00 - [62]
 

Alyssia Vendred this is tiresome,

Why highlight the word “many” … how does that contradict the statement elsewise made that VA unites illegal and legal practise in the service of a common defence pact?

Then you highlight the sentence naming “defence” of Venal the goal, conveniently forgetting about the suffix clause wherein piracy and privateering endeavour is described as arming the military for said defence.

Really this is poor stuff Alyssia and though in truth I have little better to do with my time at the moment (since I sit in the cabin of a small vessel running errands for the University of Caille) but nonetheless; it’s still eminently tiresome to argue conversational nitpicking with a woman incapable of making a valid point.

And how exactly is privateering and commerce-raiding a contradiction for a proto-regional power than has renounced concord authority? Your own faith your logic has led you astray to strange parts indeed.

Hypocrisy? It is anyone’s guess what the word can be made to mean in the universe according to Alyssia Vendred.

Riddari and Crowley,

Since your opinions are the same I will answer you thuswise; what is more beholden to falsehood, the account of unpalatable realities delivered honestly, or the besmirchment of such an account with mere throwaway allusion and no evidence of contradiction or falsehood?

Declare your feelings and opposition to my words by all means, but do not go down the road of Alyssia into pointless irrelevance by medium of inaccurate naval-gazing.

I do admit I expect so much more from my countrymen …

Love and peace

Javie Ve'Toca
Posted - 2003.08.19 17:57:00 - [63]
 

And TTI is then behind all of this since they say they will start war and kill anyone who shoots at the VA members.
So if a Space Invader is doing piracy in Ewok, killing people and another corp kills that Pirate... TTI will then take that as an attack on the VA and fight back. HA HA HA! TTI is so full of s**t! And the fact that they have been standing side by side with Space Invaders and KIA at the Ewok gate proofs it even more.

It's really about time we all learn VA and TTI a lesson!


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.19 18:03:00 - [64]
 

An expectation made yet more acute by the interjection of a discerning Caldarii voice;

And hail to thee master Muad Dib, a pleasant moment to hear the words of a man not afraid to speak his mind, to thence declare his colours set to defence of principle and fine ideal.

A poor example you make of these primping Gallente bravo’s m’dear, for nowise is the twisting of words and spreading of faint condemnation the equal to courage set and bold challenge made in sunlight!

My blessings on thy venture and hopes for thy success thereout and after in all things my dear friend.

Love and peace


j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.19 18:27:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: j0sephine on 19/08/2003 18:27:27

"An expectation made yet more acute by the interjection of a discerning Caldarii voice;

And hail to thee master Muad Dib, a pleasant moment to hear the words of a man not afraid to speak his mind, to thence declare his colours set to defence of principle and fine ideal.

A poor example you make of these primping Gallente bravo’s m’dear, for nowise is the twisting of words and spreading of faint condemnation the equal to courage set and bold challenge made in sunlight!"


*lets out a chuckle* it might be, Jade dearest, that being bloodthirsty and more unscrupulous and yaddayaddayadda... the Caldari will be generally more inclined to consider piracy a valid --and quite endearing-- venture rather than something to get all up in arms about and condemn others for?.. :s

... 'tis always a funny feeling when one finds themselves closer to the stance of the supposed-be-enemies rather than the brethren, ain't it... *sighs and gets back to pretending that yes Mrs.Kia, the prospect of hauling garbage across half of galaxy is as exciting as it's stinky*

Fides Punica
Posted - 2003.08.19 19:04:00 - [66]
 

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Why highlight the word “many” … how does that contradict the statement elsewise made that VA unites illegal and legal practise in the service of a common defence pact?

Because many, is not all.
Rather obvious is it not?

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Then you highlight the sentence naming “defence” of Venal the goal, conveniently forgetting about the suffix clause wherein piracy and privateering endeavour is described as arming the military for said defence.

I do not remember seeing clauses, if you wish to refer to your rambling bombastic rhetoric as if it was a legal document, draw it up as one, without the added copious vapid banalities.


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it’s still eminently tiresome to argue conversational nitpicking with a woman incapable of making a valid point.

You not seeing the point is to be expected.
Whether deliberate or not.

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And how exactly is privateering and commerce-raiding a contradiction for a proto-regional power than has renounced concord authority? Your own faith your logic has led you astray to strange parts indeed.

Nothing is wrong with it.
However, you m'dear like to doll it up with flowery phrases, and due solely to your love of banality, rather then to VA, I am sure, means that they are portrayed at one point as lovable rogues, another as honest pirates, yet again as freedom fighters, and yet again as capitalists.

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Hypocrisy? It is anyone’s guess what the word can be made to mean in the universe according to Alyssia Vendred.

It simply means...you.
You are the epitome of it.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.19 19:42:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2003 19:44:52

Alyssia Vendred, why do you persist in embarrassing yourself? Even in the pedantic mindlessly repetitive analysis of my language you fail to make your point. It’s all rather sad. And intentionally misunderstanding of my specific responses your specific attempts to highlight inconsistency; well, isn’t that a child’s game we should all have grown out of some time ago?

Re seeing your points, nobody else of discernment would appear to see them either, perhaps you are confused from the latest holoreel epic where you played the role of an intellectual socialite well-capable of holding your own in civilised conversation … alas milady, ‘tis time to wake and smell the Quafe.

Re flowery phrases and a veneer of romance to d**** the humdrum reality of illegality and graft … well Alyssia, that is somewhat the point of public relations, and more so, a cultural note of taste and vision we Gallente are most taken with promoting. Are you sure you are not an Amarri beneath that wig?

I’m not convinced you know what the word hypocrisy means m’dear, and you must think yourself lucky you are too stupid to be convincingly damned by your own words.

Love and peace

Gafton
Anormalii S.A.
Posted - 2003.08.19 19:52:00 - [68]
 

I dont see why there is such confusion with this. The pirating corps of the va make their money by pirating. The other corps by whatever they do. The pirating serves two purposes, one as income for the pirating corps, and secondly, it deters people from coming up into pure blind/venal regions. You pay a toll in ewok/p8r to get through. If your business is in pure blind you're at least still alive.

Sometimes there isnt enough time for the blockading pirates to get a message out to incoming ships, sometimes there is. If people were smart, they'd look and see who's in the system before they pass through it, specially when it's a known blockade area.

If you pay the toll and then go up to venal, you'll might have to pay a "fee" again to leave, or you may be killed. It all depends on who finds you. It's not too damn hard to figure out.

Last note: If you have business in pure blind you might have to go through a blockade. If you dont have business in those regions, then stay away.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.19 20:15:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2003 20:17:06

I think the confusion is mostly a desperate cry for attention Gafton, most certainly the truth of the matter has been portrayed entirely openly and often enough in this summit forum.

I believe those who are truly having difficulty understanding are perhaps confused as the mode of piratical communication employed; should monsieur Stavros grace us all with a “YARR! HARR! YARR! ME HEARTIES” … these chaps would doubtless nod and smile in full comprehension of the situation, happy to walk the plank for a pantomime villains in mock-piratical regalia.

But with specific regard to the woman Alyssia Vendred; I’m beginning to understand for myself the first inklings of the pleasure she undoubtedly enjoys at the repetitive verbal lashings her incompetence in literary critique fair demands.

Mmmm, ‘tis a harsh mistress Domina and lazy student Sally-Jane scene unless I miss my guess; first the cheeky words and pert-prickling wit, then the humiliating failure in the language test and then, well, let us see where Alyssia’s yearnings might take us there and after ….

The little minx,

Love and peace

Fides Punica
Posted - 2003.08.19 20:20:00 - [70]
 

Quote:
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2003 19:44:52

Alyssia Vendred, why do you persist in embarrassing yourself? Even in the pedantic mindlessly repetitive analysis of my language you fail to make your point. It’s all rather sad. And intentionally misunderstanding of my specific responses your specific attempts to highlight inconsistency; well, isn’t that a child’s game we should all have grown out of some time ago?

Re seeing your points, nobody else of discernment would appear to see them either, perhaps you are confused from the latest holoreel epic where you played the role of an intellectual socialite well-capable of holding your own in civilised conversation … alas milady, ‘tis time to wake and smell the Quafe.

Re flowery phrases and a veneer of romance to d**** the humdrum reality of illegality and graft … well Alyssia, that is somewhat the point of public relations, and more so, a cultural note of taste and vision we Gallente are most taken with promoting. Are you sure you are not an Amarri beneath that wig?

I’m not convinced you know what the word hypocrisy means m’dear, and you must think yourself lucky you are too stupid to be convincingly damned by your own words.

Love and peace


Every single post of yours just serves to illustrate my point.

You are an obfuscating little twit, delighting in obscuring everything with copious amounts of dross which serve purely to assuage you're image of yourself.

Riddari
VIT
Posted - 2003.08.19 20:58:00 - [71]
 

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I do admit I expect so much more from my countrymen
I expect so much more from my countrymen than them being mouthpieces for pirates

But that's just me

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.19 20:59:00 - [72]
 

[best rada dominatrix accent] Ah you saucy little dinket-mix! How dare you speak to me like that? You are a very very naughty girl and naughty girls get spanked! Come here little missy ... and over my knee with you!






Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.19 21:05:00 - [73]
 

That last to the wanton misbehaving schoolgirl obviously mr Riddari ;)

(You appear far too sensible and upright to play such games.)

But re the mouthpiece for pirates monsieur, may I ask what you do for a living?

I am a guerilla marketing expert for a Psyops and Radical Warfare Corp ... this is just a contract gig m'dear.

Love and peace

Crowley
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.19 21:08:00 - [74]
 

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Since your opinions are the same I will answer you thuswise; what is more beholden to falsehood, the account of unpalatable realities delivered honestly, or the besmirchment of such an account with mere throwaway allusion and no evidence of contradiction or falsehood?
What the Hell is this? Miss Constantine, I don't speak convulutese, and if you wish to address me, you would be wise not to speak it either. It only shows how shallow and lacking you are that you must hide behind an avalanche of "big" words. Your diarrhea of the mouth is tiresome and annoying. Little politicians like you should go back to the kid's table where you belong.

And in rebuttal to your last post directed at me: My problem with you and your organization (mainly you, as you seem to be its loudest, most irritating voice) is that everything you say is overdone. Much too overdone. This does not make you look intelligent, it does not make your words more valid. Get a grip.

It's no wonder so many have a bad opinion on the Gallente, they think we're all loud two-bit politicians that are easy to get into bed, if they take you as any sort of a standard for what a Gallente is. You're downright disgraceful.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.19 21:18:00 - [75]
 

Monsieur Crowley,

If you would like to play with the grown-ups you should answer the question. Playing stupid is not an admirable trait.

Love and peace

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.19 21:25:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2003 21:26:23

On reflection Crowley, can I have your last paragraph for my memoirs? Its simply delightful.

It's no wonder so many have a bad opinion on the Gallente, they think we're all loud two-bit politicians that are easy to get into bed, if they take you as any sort of a standard for what a Gallente is. You're downright disgraceful.

Magnificent!

Love and peace

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.19 21:37:00 - [77]
 

"What the Hell is this?"

... a prime example of the Gallentean manner of speech, i'd wager; i mean Ms.Constantine here, you Sir sound more like what am used to hear around my home grounds. :s

And well, daring to simplify the original into something less refined... i believe it'd went along the lines of,

What is more likely to be true: actual facts stated honestly, or personal attack based on pure guesses used as excuse to dismiss them?

... quite distasteful personal attack, if i might add; and well, there you go. :s

Riddari
VIT
Posted - 2003.08.19 21:45:00 - [78]
 

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But re the mouthpiece for pirates monsieur, may I ask what you do for a living?

I am a guerilla marketing expert for a Psyops and Radical Warfare Corp ... this is just a contract gig m'dear.

I have made more jumps than most ever will, I have gone into the cesspits of the galaxy where I found but a single roid guarded by 5 Juggernauts.

When not improving my daily records I assist my corporation, I farm pirates, I mine bistot or scordite. I give those of our members that need it better equipment.

I collect equipment and ships from my travels. My hangar now contains every frigate available as well as many cruisers. I am a registered pilot for every cruiser in the world of EVE.

My collection of worthless and valuable items totals over 300 unique and I know I'm still far behind the premium collectors.

Currently looking into some cleanup jobs.


To be a successful marketing expert you have to know your audience. Your pamphlets are sometimes amusing but lately they seem to be drowning in a torrent of superfluous nature.

Crowley
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.19 22:48:00 - [79]
 

j0sephine: No wonder dear old dad thought I was such an oddball.

Miss Constantine: Of course the honest answer is more likely to be true. However, that does not mean I think that you're an honest woman. A snake is more honest than you.

Furthermore, this is the last time I will acknowledge your presence here on the Summit. You don't belong, and to pay you any more attention than I have already would just serve to feed your ego stroking fest.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.19 23:03:00 - [80]
 

A pity monsieur Crowley to reach such ultimate recourse and irrevocable surrender so soon. I must say by way of critique, you will need a sterner resolve to improve your station in real world of eve ... for I notice you are yet ranked security level 0.0; the head of a one man corporation recruiting earnestly in the corporate description.

I would also say you should have more respect for your elders and fellow Gallente nationals in high standing with the Federation m'dear ... one should never burn bridges too soon.

I will look you up in around a month monsieur, by then you should have learned a little more about the environment and politics of the Eve star cluster.

Adieu

Uncle Enzo
Posted - 2003.08.19 23:09:00 - [81]
 

Crowley and Alyssia, Jade's style combines both facts and innuendo in a fashion easily characterized as poetry - whereas the two of you just mechanically spit out random insults and unsubstantiated allegations.

I prefer reading poets over mechanics.

Ulstan
Posted - 2003.08.20 00:10:00 - [82]
 

Jade's posts should only be difficult to understand for non-english speakers. ;)

"That, Miss Constantine, is the difference between a civil government and a loitering group of rabid outlaws. Prove that your group can be honorable, and you will have the support of almost the entire Galaxy. Otherwise... well, enjoy what you have while you have it."

Oh but we *are* honorable! We are as honorable as Concorde! In fact, the vast majority of Venal citizens have nice positive security ratings according to Concorde.

Let mey try to lay it out for you.

Concorde destroys without remorse all those who break its laws. Concorde doesn't care what people think - it has the force it needs to enforce those laws, and it does so. I personally consider many of Concorde's laws draconian and unjust, yet Concorde is widely viewed as the single organization most commited to upholding 'justice' and 'order'. Moreover, Concorde does not care what it's citizens do outside of Concorde claimed space.

I dont' really see how the Venal Alliance is any different.

In the end, we have claimed Venal, and we have the strength to make those claims good. That is, in the end, where all empires or states derive their authority - from the will and power needed to enforce their claims.

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.20 00:34:00 - [83]
 

Alyssia,

I believe I spoke in a measured way before and I would have hoped from the first exchange that you would have taken a long look at yourself in the mirror...Sometimes this takes courage and I am sure in your particular case the visage must be as appalling to you as it is to us.

Alas, it seems you either need more tutoring in the ways of the Gallente or perhaps something more drastic needs to be done to heal those deep-seated wounds on your immature little psyche.

Pedantic and random insults that are not based on facts show you to be either a dullard or a belligerent teenager (Although clearly I will not rule out the strong possibility that you are both).

So I ask you this time to please leave this area free for adults. I am sure in time you may understand some of the subtleties of our language or have something constructive or creative to contribute. This may take a while with you but I am sure the wait will be worth it and Jade can be fairly forgiving to youths who don’t know any better.

Whilst I am on the subject of dim-witted children Alyssia, why has your corp set a 10% tax rate?

Crowley
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.20 00:44:00 - [84]
 

Quote:
Let mey try to lay it out for you.

Concorde destroys without remorse all those who break its laws. Concorde doesn't care what people think - it has the force it needs to enforce those laws, and it does so. I personally consider many of Concorde's laws draconian and unjust, yet Concorde is widely viewed as the single organization most commited to upholding 'justice' and 'order'. Moreover, Concorde does not care what it's citizens do outside of Concorde claimed space.

I dont' really see how the Venal Alliance is any different.

In the end, we have claimed Venal, and we have the strength to make those claims good. That is, in the end, where all empires or states derive their authority - from the will and power needed to enforce their claims.

You, sir, speak a language that I can understand. I appreciate this, and I can see your point. CONCORD is very harsh in its dealings with those it considers criminals. However, the pilot schools of Eve do not properly prepare new pilots to face the Galaxy with no protection whatsoever. In a perfect universe, perhaps space academies would prepare new pilots to take on anything, and CONCORD would not be needed, as people would police themselves, with honor and justice...

Maud Dib
Caldari
The Bleeding Heart Cult
Posted - 2003.08.20 16:03:00 - [85]
 

Sir Corley the Lady Jade done ought to you but to defend her words and actions and as such deserves more than a modicum of respect and civility. It would be my pleasure to call you to task for that however the Lady Jade would be a far better suited to that task as she is by far the superior pilot. Lady Jade I beg of thee to consider well before thou does again post thy spanking visual. The better part of four hours has passed whilst I waited to have the Dark Lady Lost removed from the side of the Luminaire jump gate, which I crashed into whilst reading of such.

One final note Lady j0sephine thou are far to fair and noble to be hauling around garbage would seem to be better suited to Lord Crowley.

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.20 23:52:00 - [86]
 

"One final note Lady j0sephine thou are far to fair and noble to be hauling around garbage would seem to be better suited to Lord Crowley."

... Awwe; 'tis very sweet and considerate of you Monsieur Maud Dib, but am afraid sometimes girl has to do what she has to do if she wants to keep her ship and her shorts on... >>;

*absentmindedly crosses 'toxic waste' off the shipping list*

*does the double take and freaks out realizing she'd actually use 'monsieur' rather than 'mister' as something completely natural* omg omg omfg need a drink now o.o;;

Jon McRae
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.21 03:26:00 - [87]
 

It will be interesting to see what long-term effects the claiming fo space by Alliances will do in terms of galactic trade and industry.

How self sufficient, for instance, is Venal and by "swallowing up" neighbouring Regions, are you perhaps going to shoot yourself in the foot in terms of trade and dealings external to the Alliance?

I see more bad feeling towards the large Alliances that are blocking off Regions of space - surely from a business point of view it would be better to merely maintain security by disallowing access to specific undesirables, rather than just a blanket ban?

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.21 04:11:00 - [88]
 

You pose interesting and pertinent questions monsieur McRae; questions full-deserving of thoughtful and considered answers. I unfortunately am shortly to depart for few days rest and recuperation on a spar world in the Verge Vendor region and will be out of communications range for the duration.

Perhaps we could schedule a formal interview for the week after? I would be glad to discuss these issues and provide a VA perspective on such matters as your readership may find interesting.

My briefest of thoughts however;

Re self-sufficiency; well, this is a matter of some debate amongst the conclave of owner-captains. Some are entirely content to remain ensconced in the stronghold of Venal, their coffers enriched by mineral wealth and privateering tours at the borders and beyond. While others yet see the need for future commerce and trade with external powers and wish to maintain the connections and access to concord space thereout.

I personally belong to the latter camp; for I feel that the current status of the VA is a necessary stepping stone on the journey to the establishment of a stable regional power. I believe it is foolish to turn away from contact with the outside world, and doubly foolish to burn all bridges with potential partners and wider alliances with potential ideological converts, who might one day join us on the road to full independence from Concord governance and domination.

But the horns of a dilemma wait monsieur, for Venal is sustained by commerce-raiding and illegality in the eyes of civilised space, and ‘tis oft and fair reasoned by those who fall victim, to bring embargo and fiscal blockade punish the loss of property and wealth in the wild lands of Pureblind and Venal itself.

One day monsieur I dream of seeing the VA rise to formal regional power status, and once attained, forge laws of free commerce and trade to allow the interaction you suggest, for more confident in strength and stability the owner-captains of that time may prove more welcoming to those who do not share our aspirations of independence and common-law.

But now I leave you for a time,

Love and peace

Ertai Vodalion
Gallente
LifeLine Solutions
Posted - 2003.08.21 08:00:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Ertai Vodalion on 21/08/2003 08:10:58
Edited by: Ertai Vodalion on 21/08/2003 08:04:11
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One day monsieur I dream of seeing the VA rise to formal regional power status, and once attained, forge laws of free commerce and trade to allow the interaction you suggest, for more confident in strength and stability the owner-captains of that time may prove more welcoming to those who do not share our aspirations of independence and common-law.


Never trust a Liar ....

Who do you think is willing to do business with you, when your Alliance Members rob & shoot them on their way to you ?

As far as my common sense takes it you have 2 possibilities - open a trade route or close a trade route - currently you CLOSE it - so much for trade and interaction with non alliance members - take the consequences of your Alliance-Behaviour and accept you are called pirates - most of your alliance´s actions outside of Venal proove this accusation true.

Remember - wherever you go - there you are !

Best regards
Ertai Vodalion

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.21 12:05:00 - [90]
 

(from the shuttle terminal, 45 minutes to planetary landing)

Well I toyed with the idea of sending you a “wish you were here” holocard laced with retroviral nerve agent monsieur Vodalion, but I relented, I am after all off on my holidays and it would spoil the mood for an entirely warranted (if petty) revenge.

I can scarcely believe that you edited that pile of nonsense dinket-tosh at least twice before beginning your missive with an apparent accusation against my honesty m’dear. I would have thought simple Darwinian progression would have taught the contributors to this thread the dangers of unsubstantiated slander and wanton rubbish.

If I told lies monsieur Vodalion, you would know almost nothing of the VA, of Jericho, of the practical realities of the situation, or indeed how to best defend and protect your assets and wealth on the verges of Venal and Pureblind space.

If I told lies I would deny the label “pirate alliance” but nowhere do I make such denials. You however seize upon a hypothetical muse of future hopes and transpose such with current projection of reality, a substitution that most commentators of wit and wisdom would immediately reject as utter spurious tomfoolery.

And still you say
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Never trust a Liar

Well condemned from your own lips m’dear.

As for business and current realities, I have an unpleasant dash of cold water to pour on your delusions thence;

“Who would enter into trade with Venal?”

Almost everyone.

“Who would entertain business relationships with the VA?”

Many of the most significant corporations and conglomerates in Eve sector.

And as for shooting our trading partners

Really, do not be so naïve and disingenuous in one breath (though a fairly advanced trait in the arsenal of the buffoon I must admit) The VA operates a system of visitor passes and safe conducts where authorised traders and couriers may travel our territory in safety in pursuit of pre-arranged ends and formal agreements.

Do not confuse the lack of welcome for unwelcome guests with the rampant psychosis and lack of all distinction common to mOo marauder and Concord fleet captain alike.

As for your “common sense” monsieur, no, I think not, that is too easy a target to be sportingly engaged.

But re the pirate alliance and allegations and proof of accusations thence?

Your point is superfluous and decked in nithling folly besides;

Surely you have read the many press releases and discussion comments? Such facts are trumpeted loud and proudly with no truth hidden yet from man nor beast and facts presented thence in clarity and wide renown.

If we are called “pirates” it is because we engage in piratical endeavour … where is the evasion of consequence and lack of acceptance?

In my reply to monsieur McRae I offered personal view of where I hope to see future developments and growth and evolution in Venal.

These aspirations may be founded in present reality.

Disagree with that as you may, but pay me the courtesy of engaging with the debate in preference to mouthing silly platitudes and ploughing well-furrowed fields of past revelation.

But now I really must be off,

Love and peace to all


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