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Owyn
Caldari
Defenders of Order
Posted - 2003.08.16 11:33:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Owyn on 16/08/2003 11:43:59
I'd like to query the intentions of the Venal Alliance's presence in Pure Blind.

While I respect and have no interest in violating the sanctity of the VA's home space in Venal, there have been numerous recent depradations made by their members in coreward Pure Blind space - not part of the claimed space of that alliance, and indeed nominally under the protection of the Defenders of Order.

Blockades around EC-P8R and the EWOK system are common, almost a daily occurance, and a clear pattern is showing in these attacks. The pirates responsible attack all who attempt to pass, killing any who do not offer payment, and many who do. And they are all members of several Venal Alliance corps, namely: Space Invaders, The Chaotic Empire, Venal Guardians, and The Gang.

When queried by me regarding their involvement in Venal, TTI members replied that it was an alliance of defense, and so while we have actively been attacking the known pirates from the above corps when they are in Pure Blind space, we have specifically avoided those VA corps not involved in piracy. However, this is a tough line to draw - and is getting hazier as the days draw on.

Again I ask - what are the Venal Alliance's intentions toward Pure Blind? If they intend to let their members run rampant and create a lawless environment, then we obviously have a problem. If the intent is a gradual takeover of the region, then there is also a problem. If the attacks are not condoned or endorsed by the VA leadership, then I suggest you watch the above guilds carefully, as they are doing things which are seen by many as being done in the VA's name.

I curiously await your reply,

Athule Snanm
Amarr
Rien Ici
Posted - 2003.08.16 11:57:00 - [2]
 

The subject of Pure Blind has been one of much debate recently, my personal opinion is that Pure Blind's independence should be maintained - if necessary by hunting down and destroying anyone who lays claim to Sisters' territory. As the neighbouring empire seems content to sit back whilst Pure Blind is left defenceless to be despoiled by fortune hunters and carpet baggers (such as yourselves), it seems only logical that the Venal Alliance should pick up this torch.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.16 12:28:00 - [3]
 

Monsieur Owyn,

With relation to your question of the Venal Alliance intentions in the Pureblind region;

Sir, your question is fair, pertinent, and deserving of answer, so I shall be as frank and forthright as operational constraints and the current political situation does allow.

There are rightly two different aspects to your question, and I shall cover each in order.

Firstly,

The Venal Alliance has never made any secret of its opposition to the “legal” constraints of the Concord Organisation and member states. We exist in self-declared independence of imperial governance, and operate in a de facto state of war with current galactic powers. Until such time as VA territorial claims are recognised, this situation will likely continue, and given continuance of the said status quo the methodology of VA wealth acquisition and internal funding will include privateering cruises and piratical endeavours beyond the borders of Venal proper.

This intention and warnings thence and therewise to shipping are made plain and apparent in the Venal Declaration’s elsewhere subject to public record. But to briefly re-iterate; the VA is governed by and for a democratic assembly of owner-captains sworn to internal defence and shared aspirations towards the development of the free territories of Venal. As members of the VA the owner-captains are committed to preserving the way of life they are sworn too, and since there is no formal state support or high taxation levied upon the territory the absence is made up from privateering revenue and seizure of goods from unallied merchant shipping.

At no stage has any Venal pledge or declaration given undertaking that such operations will be limited in range or regional intervention.

And secondly now,

With particular reference to Pureblind itself; over the past week many of the less-combat orientated corporations and organisations of the VA have been disturbed to learn of the perilous situation encountered by the Servant Sisters of Eve in the Pureblind Region.

This cloistered order has for many generations provided solace and welcome to travellers and fugitives from imperial injustice and outward harm, and have by consequence been afforded nothing but the greatest respect by the VA owner-captains to this date.

Unfortunately this respect is not shared by the enemies of freedom and Venal combined, and over the last few days in particular we have received many distress calls and pleas for aid from the Servant Sisters facing direct attack against their spaceborne assets and unarmed ships alike.

Exactly who is behind these atrocities we are yet to prove, for in the Sister’s own accounts there is little but drifting wreckage and scattered debris to bare witness to the violence. But have no doubt that the ire of Venal has been roused by such wanton predation upon an innocent religious community, and already combat assets have been dispatched to patrol Pureblind space with the intention of delivering our own justice when and where the Concord chooses to turn mute attention and deaf ear to the cries of the helpless.

So monsieur Owyn, your answer in simple truth, and though I’ll grant you the first part is unpalatable yet to those caught in the crossfire between the aspirations for independent statehood and old world reactionary protectionism, ‘tis a fact of life, and one that VA has never concealed or hidden.

More significant by far the latter though, and it is a situation that I shall be personally monitoring in the week to come. The Servant Sisters of Eve are an entirely honourable order devoted to the providing sanctuary in the wilderness to any who seek it; such aspirations and simple goodness are to be respected, and those who would bring destruction and war to tarnish these gentle ambitions are to be slain like the maddened dogs they are.

Thank you, (this statement on behalf of the owner-captains of the Venal Alliance)

I'm happy to take some additional questions ladies and gentlemen ...

Owyn
Caldari
Defenders of Order
Posted - 2003.08.16 14:05:00 - [4]
 

Lady Constantine,

I thank you for your frank words.

Addressing your second point first, I am alarmed and concerned! I was unaware that such attacks were taking place. Our military forces stand ready to assist you in discouraging such attacks on Sisterhood vessels or property. Please rest assured that we are in no way claiming their space as our own, nor are the Defenders in any way authorized to aggress the Sisterhood's vessels. We are engaged in protecting the region from those who would attack others there, not at this time trying to claim it as sovereign space.

However, I feel I should point out that the areas under primary contention are not in Sisterhood space, those being the systems of ECP8R and EWOK. These two systems are, at present, unclaimed stars. As yet, I have rarely seen Venal forces in the Sisterhood systems - instead most of the forces in Pureblind seem to be focused on those two star systems. A redeployment of force seems in order, to achieve your stated goals.

As to your first point, at no time have I disputed the Venal Alliance's sovereign right to the systems in the Venal region; indeed, I feel that you have more than adequately stated your claim, and fairly rule by right of arms, if naught else.

Again though, I must protest piracy as a means to supplement governmental income! The Gurristas, whom had ruled the space you now claim before your arrival, are bad enough still, throughout the Venal and Pureblind regions. But the attacks from Venal Alliance ships have actually hit the point where they have become worse than the pirates they have replaced!

There must be a better way.

I ask you now to please call on your captains to desist from these attacks on shipping from Torrinos into Pureblind.

Macumba
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.16 14:10:00 - [5]
 

Cut the crap and say you're going to gank people in Pure Blind. It'll save us all a lot of time.

Kalast Raven
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.08.16 14:17:00 - [6]
 

Thats exactly whats been said. They exist in a state of total war against all players of EVE. Read it for yourself.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2003.08.16 19:18:00 - [7]
 

The Nebula Rasa Holdings do not recognize the claims of the pirate alliance in Venal region.

Instead of tapping into the vast resources of Venal they're expanding on account of more modest claims. We find this course of action worthy of nothing but loathing.

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.16 20:56:00 - [8]
 

"We exist in self-declared independence of imperial governance, and operate in a de facto state of war with current galactic powers. Until such time as VA territorial claims are recognised, this situation will likely continue, and given continuance of the said status quo the methodology of VA wealth acquisition and internal funding will include privateering cruises and piratical endeavours beyond the borders of Venal proper."

... Does it --being 'tis "statement on behalf of the owner-captains of the Venal Alliance"-- mean the owner-captains of the Venal Alliance intend and henceforth declare to cease all acts of piracy beyond the borders of Venal as soon as their claim to the region is recognized as valid by the galactic empires?.. =)

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.17 00:10:00 - [9]
 

Right then, a few quick responses to the first round of questions and points of order;

[Owyn of Defenders of Order spoke]
Quote:
“Our military forces stand ready to assist you in discouraging such attacks on Sisterhood vessels or property.”

Your generous offer is noted and shall be taken into consideration, I will raise the matter before the conclave of owner-captains.
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“We are engaged in protecting the region [Pureblind] from those who would attack others there, not at this time trying to claim it as sovereign space.”

That statement while honourable and worthy from your own perspective does place your intention upon a collision cause with the privateering agenda of certain Venal captains. A thorny dilemma to be sure, and proof again that it is not appropriate to loathe one’s enemies where paradigm and pragmatism unite to choose the opposing sides.
Quote:
“However, I feel I should point out that the areas under primary contention are not in Sisterhood space, those being the systems of ECP8R and EWOK … a redeployment of force seems in order, to achieve your stated goals.”

And here I must remind you of the structure of politics in the VA; it is a democracy of owner-captains united in the structure of defence and cooperation alliance allowing a great deal of personal freedom to the member corporations and individuals. My goals are not necessarily the goals of Venal, my word is not necessarily the dominant thought, and should I consider the Sisters plight the foremost issue in Pureblind it does not follow that the conclave of owner-captains will decide a similar path. I am but a single voice and vote by right of armed starship and pledged fraternity m’dear.
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“As to your first point, at no time have I disputed the Venal Alliance's sovereign right to the systems in the Venal region; indeed, I feel that you have more than adequately stated your claim, and fairly rule by right of arms, if naught else.”

Thank you for your vision and candour.
Quote:
“Again though, I must protest piracy as a means to supplement governmental income!”

Well, such goes hand in hand with armed conflict in time of war, it is ordinary practise for a nation at strife to acquire the merchant assets of foes … and since Venal is an undeveloped region with low population base there really is a lack of real alternatives to providing significant defence spending…
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“There must be a better way… I ask you now to please call on your captains to desist from these attacks on shipping from Torrinos into Pureblind”

I gently remind you once more that my fellow owner-captains are not “mine” to command, or indeed any slave to convention or government hierarchy. It may well be that in the future the circumstances of the VA will normalise, and in the shorter term mayhap it will be possible for your own organisation to make common cause with Venal and win trust thereby, but it is unlikely that Venal will find alternative to privateering and commerce-raiding until the region is further developed by independent interests and regional aspirations.

[Macumba wrote]
Quote:
“Cut the crap and say you're going to gank people in Pure Blind. It'll save us all a lot of time.”

Saving time is by no means automatically commensurate with telling the truth Macumba.

[Kalast Raven wrote]
Quote:
“Thats exactly whats been said. They exist in a state of total war against all players of EVE. Read it for yourself.”

By no means monsieur Kalast; VA has many trading partners and NAP agreements in place. And please note … characters not players … an important distinction.

[Danton Marcellus wrote]
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“The Nebula Rasa Holdings do not recognize the claims of the pirate alliance in Venal region.”

Noted, I shall update specific engagement guidelines for Nebula Rasa Holdings monsieur, I thank you for the clarification.

[And lovely j0sephine asked pertinently]
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“[Does VA] intend and henceforth declare to cease all acts of piracy beyond the borders of Venal as soon as their claim to the region is recognized as valid by the galactic empires?”

That will be a matter of the owner-captains to decide, but should such a dramatic change in circumstance arise it is fair to say all bets are off for the current status quo.

Love and peace

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2003.08.17 01:03:00 - [10]
 

Our recon patrol got shot down without any warning, are we due better treatment?




Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.17 01:17:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 17/08/2003 01:20:05

Quote:
Our recon patrol got shot down without any warning, are we due better treatment?



It seems unlikely I must admit. Since you have made public your position of not recognising Venal territorial claims it is policy of Venal defense forces to consider incursions by your ships hostile acts in and of themselves. As such its entirely within the purview of owner-captains of VA to destroy your vessels pre-emptively.

Love and peace

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2003.08.17 01:29:00 - [12]
 

This was yesterday and unless precognition is another one of your gifts you're clearly already viewing anyone not VA as hostiles.

We'll add to our journals with what disrespect we were treated and when the time comes when we again travel through Venal we'll be wise to the ways of its inhabitants.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.17 01:45:00 - [13]
 

Quote:
This was yesterday and unless precognition is another one of your gifts you're clearly already viewing anyone not VA as hostiles.


Well monsieur, I'll admit your presentation of the facts confused me. But the destruction of your vessel without warning, though regretable, is something allowed for in the code of conduct agreed by the owner-captains.

If you have been sighted by Jericho ships you would have been hailed to challenge your presence before potential negotiation and hostilites thence might occur.

But, as I have often made plain, 'tis the rule of the VA that the owner-captain on the scene may decide howsoever they chose to deal with invading vessels not covered by treaty or NAP.

I trust this will inform your future intentions.

Love and peace


The Editor
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.17 01:59:00 - [14]
 

Quote:
Cut the crap and say you're going to gank people in Pure Blind. It'll save us all a lot of time.


"The Ed" chews heavily on the semi-liquid buttend of a fat cigar, jowls slapping gently aside his chins as he dictates into the vid-phone...

"Heh Mac! They ain't out ganking nobody - seems somebody is out ganking them... "

He spits

"..switch on Gal-net..."

chews and swallows the disgusting black mass oozing out of the cigar

"...gotta be least three big old battleship burnin' their guts out into space.. mebbe more..."

he coughs, unhealthily

"... and ev'ry last one o' em got "TTi" stamped on its side..."

(He laughs, at least it may be a laugh, he may be choking some creature to death in his oversized throat instead)

"Seems the 'Sisters" aint the only girls callin' for help in Pure-Blind"


He ends the vid recording and yells out to his ever-present secretary

"Sweetheart - get me that Jade bint on the line and see what she's spinnin' over this trick"... he spits again.. "Ah yeah - get the old guy from TTi too, what'shis name? Purple Aramis or somethin'?"


He pauses, lost in deep contemplation,

"Sweetheart!" another sonic blast announces the climax of thought "See if we got any leads from those squid-guys up in PB" he pauses lost in thought "Ah yeah... and send The Mole some more of that Long-Limb-Dip old Morky-boy sent us."

He looks back to the burning wreckage of TTi battleships on Gal-net and grows thoughtful...

"Why in hells name do TTi want the VA to bag them Pure-Blind on top of Venal?" he growled "The Sisters may let themselves be played as patsies but old Mordu... nope.. just can't see it."

He gazes back to Gal-net...as the picture stutters and blacks out

"*******s" he wheezes... "There's got to be a better news service than Gal-net...somewhere..surely..."

JP Beauregard
Gallente
Pilkington Communications
Posted - 2003.08.17 06:25:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: JP Beauregard on 17/08/2003 06:26:01
Earlier at Pilkington Industries HQ office in Aice...

"That's right, Justin, put a note into that package. I want her to think it's fan mail..."

JP Beauregard scratched off another item on his to-do list. One package of blue pills dispatched to Venal.

Jade's honesty was disturbing. Maybe he'd have to increase her weekly ration? Had the venal Mlle Constantine really been reduced to fabricating false calls for assistance from the very self-sufficient Sisters so that her swashbuckling owner-captains could annex another sector under the false pretense of bringing democracy and liberation? Jade's powers of imagination were failing - and fast. He would have to increase her weekly ration... - and send a box of Khanid's Finest to the Ed.

Yangja Isuko
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.17 09:04:00 - [16]
 

ah, i still wonder why i have a -5 rating with pilkington.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2003.08.17 09:34:00 - [17]
 

Quote:
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This was yesterday and unless precognition is another one of your gifts you're clearly already viewing anyone not VA as hostiles.


Well monsieur, I'll admit your presentation of the facts confused me. But the destruction of your vessel without warning, though regretable, is something allowed for in the code of conduct agreed by the owner-captains.

If you have been sighted by Jericho ships you would have been hailed to challenge your presence before potential negotiation and hostilites thence might occur.

But, as I have often made plain, 'tis the rule of the VA that the owner-captain on the scene may decide howsoever they chose to deal with invading vessels not covered by treaty or NAP.

I trust this will inform your future intentions.

Love and peace




And people accuse SA of being disorganized wannabe pirates.........

JP Beauregard
Gallente
Pilkington Communications
Posted - 2003.08.17 11:07:00 - [18]
 

Hm, Yangja, let me ask you: Is your corp still part of the so-called "Fountain Alliance"?

Note to self: Add more people to the list. Many more...

Annihilation
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.08.17 12:20:00 - [19]
 

Hey, think about it. Venal Alliance is a growing thing, Venal can only hold so many people, expansion is a way of life... Being so, don't expect the VA to sit back and just sit there in Venal. Soon enough the borders of Venal will grow to reach other systems, and start to spread into different Regions.

ENJOY!

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.17 12:59:00 - [20]
 

You know how it is Joshua; it’s a complicated thing trying to untangle the mess of claims and counterclaims surrounding the destruction of ships, something Stain has very recent knowledge of mayhap?

But seriously, these chaps would do well to read the news and gain a handle on the realities of political situations before walking into potentially hazardous situations.

Once upon a time Jericho were so wet behind the ears also; I can remember my Director of Liquid Assets Yvonne Pyros having her Bestower blown to bits in Stain en route to buy Lif burners (at that time by a corp-mate of the seller doing stargate patrol duty). The seller was dreadfully embarrassed of course and offered a discount on the price of the Lifs, but without a ship dear Yvonne could hardly take him up on his kindness ;) Suffice it to say we have not been back.

But these things happen and we were not bitter or angry, but merely resolved to read the news and understand the dynamics of regional alliances a little better in the future.

For Jericho’s part, we do opt for a reasoned approach when encountering clueless travellers and as some CEO’s will doubtless tell you, I am always happy to explain the dynamics and methodology of the VA by direct comms while my military pilots escort strays back to the border.

There but for the grace of god and all that …

But accidents happen, and I would always advise travellers;

a) be very aware of where it is you are going
b) arrange visas and naps if you are travelling heavy
c) equip drives and evasion equipment if you do not intend to negotiate and really value your ship

Love and peace

Fides Punica
Posted - 2003.08.17 20:39:00 - [21]
 

Someone kill Jade to shut her bull**** PR machine the **** up.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2003.08.17 20:57:00 - [22]
 

Jade is too beautiful to die.

I'll just lock her in a cage and make her sing for her supper.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.17 21:11:00 - [23]
 

Alyssia,

I sense a great deal of anger m'dear, frustration, sorrow even ... are you sure you are well enough to be making comment in a political forum?

Love and peace

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.17 21:16:00 - [24]
 

Ah Joshua ... you are too kind, and on that note m'dear, should you ever have me at an advantage I assure you I can think of a great many games we can play...

Love and peace

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2003.08.17 21:56:00 - [25]
 

The Venal Alliance is a growing thing you say, how come then that our recon pilot encountered no VA members past the gatekeepers, not one in the 40 something systems travelled since.

Make sure to make a friend of greed 'cause you ain't making any of the Pure Blind dwellers.

Fides Punica
Posted - 2003.08.18 00:15:00 - [26]
 

"I sense a great deal of anger m'dear, frustration, sorrow even"

Don't you think that's a bit much to infer, even for someone with spindocotoring skills such as yourself?

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.18 01:09:00 - [27]
 

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"Don't you think that's a bit much to infer, even for someone with spindocotoring skills such as yourself?"

Oh I don't know, admittedly its more witchdoctoring than spindoctoring ... but call it a hunch.

Love and peace

Fides Punica
Posted - 2003.08.18 04:08:00 - [28]
 

Quote:
Quote:
"Don't you think that's a bit much to infer, even for someone with spindocotoring skills such as yourself?"

Oh I don't know, admittedly its more witchdoctoring than spindoctoring ... but call it a hunch.

Love and peace


Here's a little bit of advice.

Say more with less.

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.18 12:48:00 - [29]
 

Alyssia,
firstly may I commend you on your hairstyle and choice of garment and adornments. You seem most discerning and gifted in the fashions of the Federation. But then we are Gallente and cannot expect others to truely appreciate our liberated and free way of life.
I would just like to say that those freedoms extend to speach and think perhaps you should respect that a little more.

Fides Punica
Posted - 2003.08.18 13:24:00 - [30]
 

Some people hide things by not talking at all.

Other's hide by being overly verbose.


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