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Unicorn Evergreen
Posted - 2005.12.12 12:54:00 - [1]
 

Hi,

I've read the manual - and some of the links attached on the stickies above in this forum... however I'm still confused regarding so many things - this game is hard to get into (been 4 days now)...

I've picked a scientist, however, I find it hard to comprehand what a scientist actually do...Shocked
I'm in awe of all the skills and items - I dont even manage to grast what I need for my type of char - I'm so lost I'm currently feel I simply pick skills more or less by random - I do mining - so mining skills, I want to be a scientist so I pick science... I pick learning skils and electorincs, mechanics and industry since I wanna manufacture as well!.. so many skills :(
I'm not even sure what I need to strive for - what is my goal? and which items I need to place on my ship...

I like this game a lot, I think the main reason is because for the first time in 14 years of online gaming I dont GRIND to get somewhere - I simply log in to play - for money/pvp or just plain fun.... which is great - but please help me get used to the game, tips/guides regarding my situation are most welcomed - I dont mind reading all this stuff - I consider this an investment in what I consider a deep and interesting game - so please, don't spare the links and tips :)

Many Thanks.

Pagefault
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2005.12.12 13:37:00 - [2]
 

Scientist is, uhm well, the worst choice for a noob. Scientists do two things:

- Researching Blueprint Originals (BPOs) to get a better Production Efficency. This needs BPOs (of course) which is very costly. And it needs the infrastructure to make profits out of the BPOs. That means industrial corp. Usually this research is done by a few folks from the corp, as it only requires some researchslots. Its not nescesary to have uber-research-skills, it takes a bit longer then, but who cares? No need for a dedicated scientist.

- Doing R&D Agents. That gives you tickets for the research lottery and you MIGHT get a TL2 blueprint. Odds are VERY bad, that you receive one. You need a few science skills, and good mission-running skills to do this. No need for a dedicated scientist.

=> Science is a typical sencondary profession. Go for something else. If you like the science, perhaps production is something for you.

Number 1 advice: If you are confused what to do, find a corp. They'll point you in the right direction. Open the recruitment channel ingame, and have a chat with a few peeps. Take your time, but eventually you'll find some1 you like...

Unicorn Evergreen
Posted - 2005.12.12 14:23:00 - [3]
 

hmm ok - now I'm in an even worse situation -

I chose the Intaki to get max Intel/charisma/memory...

Do I need to start over? or should I stay as I am and train for other skills? ugh

sniff.... 4 days went down....

so if I want to make a combat or industry/miner char - to start all over with different race? should I keep my current skills and attributes?

Binary Mind
Posted - 2005.12.12 14:36:00 - [4]
 

TRAIN SKILLS....TRAIN

you always have to train skills, ALWAYS.

if you take a look at the item Database you'll see that you can only use certain modules/ships by having the right skills, therefore you need to find out what exactly you wanna do and train into that direction.

if you intend to stay longer in eve you should train up all basic learning skills to lvl 4 (you won't regret it), then some usefull skills depending on your interests (combat/mining/trade/etc)

the eve world has no limits on what you can do, but you should specialize anyway.

Unicorn Evergreen
Posted - 2005.12.12 14:48:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Binary Mind
TRAIN SKILLS....TRAIN

you always have to train skills, ALWAYS.

if you take a look at the item Database you'll see that you can only use certain modules/ships by having the right skills, therefore you need to find out what exactly you wanna do and train into that direction.

if you intend to stay longer in eve you should train up all basic learning skills to lvl 4 (you won't regret it), then some usefull skills depending on your interests (combat/mining/trade/etc)

the eve world has no limits on what you can do, but you should specialize anyway.


aye - I do train, and first and utmost I train all the learning skills - still not completed them though...but I'm working on it, question is, should I (considering the change from sceintist career to industry or combat) change my initial choice of race? since the starting attributes are much different in comparison to others (perception especially).

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Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2005.12.12 15:50:00 - [6]
 

I'd strongly recomend balanced stats. You certainly will try out the various careers that eve has to offer.

Perc/Will : Fighter (perc for the guns, will for the ships)
Int/Mem: Industrial, but a fighter as well needs a lot of mechanic/electronic...
Char: Trader/Agent Runnner/Team Assist/Corp CEO

Atm Charisma is the least important, but who knows what the future brings.

Unicorn Evergreen
Posted - 2005.12.12 16:02:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Pagefault
I'd strongly recomend balanced stats. You certainly will try out the various careers that eve has to offer.

Perc/Will : Fighter (perc for the guns, will for the ships)
Int/Mem: Industrial, but a fighter as well needs a lot of mechanic/electronic...
Char: Trader/Agent Runnner/Team Assist/Corp CEO

Atm Charisma is the least important, but who knows what the future brings.


so would you (or anyone) recommend scraping the Intaki I've got and getting a more balanced class type? like Deties?
I feel so ignorant about this game mechanics and actions that I dont want to make a mistke choosing a race - I'd appreciate a yes/no ansewr about it, even if it means me scrapping 4 days of training and money - It's better than scrapping 30 days of training and money invetments.
for the record - I plan on a long-run char.... I want an all-rounder.... but I don't mainly do combat - and if I will it'll prob. be combat support - EW etc.

so please - should I take a more balanced class to be a miner/trader/inudstry/battle-support/lil scientist or stay with Intaki?

thank you :)

Lurtz
Caldari
Gunrunners and Gamblers
Posted - 2005.12.12 16:17:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Unicorn Evergreen


so would you (or anyone) recommend scraping the Intaki I've got and getting a more balanced class type? like Deties?
I feel so ignorant about this game mechanics and actions that I dont want to make a mistke choosing a race - I'd appreciate a yes/no ansewr about it, even if it means me scrapping 4 days of training and money - It's better than scrapping 30 days of training and money invetments.
for the record - I plan on a long-run char.... I want an all-rounder.... but I don't mainly do combat - and if I will it'll prob. be combat support - EW etc.

so please - should I take a more balanced class to be a miner/trader/inudstry/battle-support/lil scientist or stay with Intaki?

thank you :)


Honestly, some would, I would not. Any character can learn any skill. It may take a couple hours more or less for some characters than others, but so what, IT IS A GAME. Don't try to optimize everything out of the gate, and try having fun.


Chashar Fideli
Posted - 2005.12.12 16:47:00 - [9]
 

Hello, Unicorn, and welcome to Eve. I've only been playing for a little over 2 weeks, but I love it for many of the same reasons you stated.

I am in a situation *very* similar to yours. I also chose scientist as my starting profession, and then realized many of the things you are struggling with. I also wanted to be a "support" type character: research, EW, spec ops, etc.

I would advise you not to scrap your current char or your envisioned career path. This game is very open-ended and it's easy to change your playstyle. For instance, rather than a full-blown research scientist, I now play my char as kind of a "combat engineer." I mostly run agent missions, so my training is focused on "combat technology", things like shield upgrades, energy grid upgrades, electronics, and engineering. Don't think of your training so far as "wasted", because it doesn't go away and you can eventually rejoin that path. Instead think of it more as "put on hold for the moment." In my case, I still train high-level scientific skills during long down periods (overnight and while at work). During play time, I train many of the "combat technology" skills, and run agent missions. I'm having a really good time, and my char's development is really not far from what I imagined at his creation.

As far as what you're "supposed to do" that's entirely up to you. This is the great thing about Eve. Don't like running anti-pirate missions? Become a kick-*** miner instead. Don't like mining? Join a corp and do some PvP. Don't like PvP? Build an industrial empire instead.

Finally, as for fitting your ship, download a program called QuickFit. There is a stickied link to it in the "Ships and Modules" forum, I believe. Play around with it. It works well for figuring out how to squeeze every ounce of ability from your ship and evisioning new set-ups.

I would advise you not to scrap your character or see it as four days "wasted." Use the best weapon available in Eve: adapt. Hope this helps, sorry for rambling on a bit.

The Snowman
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.12.12 17:00:00 - [10]
 

Although I've only played a few days I would definatley say NOT to wipe your character.

all the experience and money and ships and relations and skills are worth keeping, even if you might not need them.

I did something similar, and I've just started learning other skills, one day I will need those other 'seemingly' useless skills for sure.

Not only that if you have already put alot of training into 'Learning' then your ability to learn a new career path would be much quicker than if you started a new character all together.

so no is your answer. (from what I can tell)

Unicorn Evergreen
Posted - 2005.12.12 17:02:00 - [11]
 

hi :)

thanks for the post, I didn't know about the quick ship fit prog. :)

I did read back on this forum - I've encounterd many threads like mine.... (for all those who said "not another one of those" - I'm sorry)...

what I came through is my char is unbalanced - I've got preception 3 - and from other threads it is one of the most needed skills in the game - I've got too much int and memory - int. is good, but too much memory... not usable...

I'll probably WILL make a new char - this time a more balanced one and will probably take a different career as a starting option - not a fighter... but maybe leadership path...

too bad :( but it's good I got on the fact my char is gimped early on - 4 days is not such a waste of time, could have been worse...

The Snowman
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.12.12 17:25:00 - [12]
 

Memory is the prime ability for learning, so you could have quickly learned up perception, with int high and science you would have then been able to go implants pretty soon.

I still think that its a bit of a waste to delete, and if your going for an average character your gona have even more problems deciding what to do in the future.


I've gone high memory and high int, will get into lots of electronic warfare.. safer than combat, and with cloaking also.. I'll be doing high risk mission runs, using strong electronics warfare etc.

Im not giving up on my character so soon.

Lillith Blackheart
NeuroGEN
Posted - 2005.12.12 19:17:00 - [13]
 

My Mem is through the roof by default, not even on purpose, I was more intent on getting the skills from starting than the stat bonus. . . Rolling Eyes

Definately paying off in the long run, though, because it breezed me to level 3-4 in most of the learning skills in the matter of about 4 days.

Me.

Xascor
Organized Combat Consortium
Posted - 2005.12.12 20:18:00 - [14]
 

I rerolled my Intaki with 3 Perception Shocked after a month. If you are unhappy then reroll now before it gets to be a month (or year) and you always regret not just losing a few days of training. All your assests can be sold or transfered to your new character. All you will really lose is time but you will make it up. I'm at 25 days vs 30 days and have 60k more skill points already. At this rate I should have over 190k more in the first 30 days. You WILL make up the small amount of time you have spent if you plan on subscribing to the game.

There's nothing wrong with Intaki either. Just try to balance the stats out (except Charisma). At least put +3 to Perception. That is huge since all your ship skills (not to mention gunnery) are Perception primary.


 

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