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Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.14 14:56:00 - [31]
 

If thats your definition of flirting, I wouldn't like to see you on date!

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.14 14:58:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Hardin on 14/08/2003 15:02:42

To be honest she has a fine wit and her features are not displeasing but she is far too 'liberated' for my taste. If she would show the proper respect due an Amarrian noble of good standing then I am sure she could make a comely wife.

However after the cruel things she said about me...(http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=24639&page=2)...I doubt a liaison is on the cards!

The cabbage quip really hurt my feelings! Crying or Very sad

Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.14 15:28:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Miso on 14/08/2003 15:29:34
Everytime I get into a convo with someone on a forum, it always manages to degrade. I think I shall make an effort in future to be more becoming.

Hardin - I have converted your "boy greased on a maller" shots to holographic, if anyone wants to buy. 100000 ISK. Its interactive too...Shocked Your not called Hardin for nothing sweetie...

Khal St
Caldari
Triax Inc
Posted - 2003.08.14 15:37:00 - [34]
 

Hardin, i think Miso has an SM fetish thing goin' on there.... Shocked those Gallante Girls like it passionate Wink

Not really to my spartan Caladri tastes....

Miso, don't be soo hard on the Amarr, save it for that shared pod...

Hardin btw I'd advise some derm regen stim...
I bet she has nails.... Very Happy

Be good now....

Do it for the Biz....



Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.14 15:46:00 - [35]
 

Khal,

The nails on both of my hands have been replaced with retractable 2" surgical steel, diamond edge blades.

Kittens got claws sweetie.

By the way Khal, you look like Hardins love child... whats the story there?

Khal St
Caldari
Triax Inc
Posted - 2003.08.14 16:01:00 - [36]
 

Oh Miso

Its all in the jaw, you Gallante Lasses cant get enough of a good jaw claws or not.... Wink

Nice by the way....

Good luck Hardin =/

Sweet girl behind the bravado i bet....

Remeber do it - for the Biz.....

Maud Dib
Caldari
The Bleeding Heart Cult
Posted - 2003.08.15 13:01:00 - [37]
 

While I cannot or shall I say will not reveal what it is I have donated or am going to donate, It is most certainly not "nude" picture of Hardin* shudder*. Truth be told I have nothing against P.I.E. only slavers in general. One question is Hardin and the lovely Miso have progeny will they be slavers who hate themselves for it.

Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.15 13:33:00 - [38]
 

I regret to inform you that Hardin will not be Hard in me, now or anytime in the future...Laughing

As for your donation Mr Dib, I'm sure whatever it is will be of great benefit in the fight against slavery and for the eduring freedom of the minmatar people in general.

(I still have those holoreels by the way Shocked Not surprisingly, Im having a bit of trouble shifting them)

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.15 14:34:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Hardin on 15/08/2003 14:37:51
Edited by: Hardin on 15/08/2003 14:36:46

Maud Dib - was just intrigued that's all Smile

As for progeny of a relationship with Miso I think that is highly unlikely as it seems she loves my frozen corpse more than she loves me!

If by some chance there was some progeny of such a relationship I would, as a dutiful Amarrian father, raise the offspring properly according to the holy scriptures. Hence they would have no issues with slaving as they would see this as part of the natural scheme of things.

However, as the offspring of a relationship with Miso would be half-Amarrians, I would most likely sell them into slavery once they reach their maturity and I can get a good price.

Being a caring father I would of course make sure they get placed with a good owner who will treat them reasonably kindly.

And as half Amarrians it may be possible that with a few decades of good work that they could buy themselves out of bondage...

Who says we have no heart?


Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.15 14:57:00 - [40]
 

*shudders*

Im backing the minmatar even more now!

Courier
Amarr
Posted - 2003.08.15 15:34:00 - [41]
 

I find all this Amarr/Minmatar animosity it bit tedious.

Minmatar are lovely...everyone should have one as a pet. Wink
After all, they can be housetrained fairly quickly. They sometimes have a tendency to drink from the toilet but careful closing of the lid aften stops this. But always be careful not to feed them from the table..it leads to begging. (i dont mind it when they try to mate with my leg though...quite cute really)Surprised

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.15 15:45:00 - [42]
 

You are an Amarr lady after my own heart. Tell me do you come from a noble bloodline?

Courier
Amarr
Posted - 2003.08.15 16:22:00 - [43]
 

Absolutely.


And i always come for an Amarr noble bloodline Wink

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.15 16:30:00 - [44]
 

Lady Courier,

I must ask.

While I know you Amarri gentlewomen are not exactly dedicated leaders in galatic fashion-sense ... but ... is it wise to be seen about in public with a pair of deely-boppers on your head?

Always in the service of beauty

Courier
Amarr
Posted - 2003.08.15 16:49:00 - [45]
 

My dear:

Your make-up is sooooooooooo 70's. Ever heard of updating your fashion sense?

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.15 17:44:00 - [46]
 

Which 70's Wink

Courier
Amarr
Posted - 2003.08.15 19:40:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Courier on 15/08/2003 19:40:57
shes in her 70's? Well the wonder of cosmetic surgery Wink


I think the truth must be told Confused

Macumba
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.16 14:35:00 - [48]
 

Personally Jade, I neither need or want the help of Jericho. You cannot be trusted.

Here we have a corp that has a fanatical Amarr loyalist and a (supposedly) libertarian Gallente as it's main representatives. If the conflicting messages coming from Jericho weren't enough to cause concern, we see them jumping into bed with TTI at the drop of a hat and becoming part of the Venal pirate alliance.

I have more respect for the likes of Space Invaders and M0o than I do Jericho. While they may be arrogant pirate scum, at least they're consistent and at least you know what you're getting.

You cannot be all things to all men, Jade. I suspect the only reason you wish to be involved with our conflict is so that you can get a little good PR (which you're in dire need of). I'd rather see you get the extra political spin from somewhere else, your self-serving methods are as obvious as they are tragic.

At the end of the day it is up to my Voushod to decide what path we take, and whatever decision he makes I will respect and follow to the letter. However, should I be fighting alongside Jericho staff I'll be doing it through very gritted teeth.

Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.16 19:08:00 - [49]
 

I too trust nothing that comes from Venal.

Ardor
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
A.R.K.
Posted - 2003.08.16 22:48:00 - [50]
 

From what i hear ingame and read in this forum Oracle earns my whole respect. To bad that you are on the wrong side (and please stay on your side, lol).

The scriptures say:
"The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man." And we will cultivate you.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.16 23:35:00 - [51]
 

[Macumba wrote]

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Personally Jade, I neither need or want the help of Jericho. You cannot be trusted.

Fortunate indeed that you follow a warleader with the vision you lack m'dear, for monsieur Sarkos and I have spoken at length 'pon matters you are yet to grasp. I take no offense at your hasty condemnation however, 'tis often the way that acts of idealism carry a heavier price than mercenary endeavour.
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... a (supposedly) libertarian Gallente as it's main representatives.

Really m'dear, do you doubt it?
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If the conflicting messages coming from Jericho weren't enough to cause concern, we see them jumping into bed with TTI at the drop of a hat and becoming part of the Venal pirate alliance.

m'dear, you really need to take the long view when building a revolutionary agenda towards fractional splintering of heirachical tyrannies (whatever their ilk)
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I have more respect for the likes of Space Invaders and M0o than I do Jericho. While they may be arrogant pirate scum, at least they're consistent and at least you know what you're getting.

Is that a note of frustration I hear? Perhaps the correspondences you seek are missing part of the puzzle yet?
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You cannot be all things to all men, Jade. I suspect the only reason you wish to be involved with our conflict is so that you can get a little good PR (which you're in dire need of).

A workmanlike analysis my dear, but then somewhat simply disproven by the evidence of our first declarations of support for the Oracle cause in the days when Jericho were newly formed and unaligned with any power or interest without.
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I'd rather see you get the extra political spin from somewhere else, your self-serving methods are as obvious as they are tragic.

As indeed are the conclusions you draw Macumba ... still, I take no offense as I said, and our pledged support is clear and reliable, a shame in comparison that your arts of fine discernment are unfortunately lacking.
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At the end of the day it is up to my Voushod to decide what path we take, and whatever decision he makes I will respect and follow to the letter.

The letter m'dear? I always find fighting to the spirit of an alliance is so much more exciting and does wonder for morale.
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However, should I be fighting alongside Jericho staff I'll be doing it through very gritted teeth.

In future I'd suggest you use the facilities before leaving the station... ;)

Love and peace (in the ruins)

Padaxes
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2003.08.17 00:07:00 - [52]
 

*waits for macs comeback to that* :)

Macumba
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.17 00:43:00 - [53]
 

I can assure you that I share the vision of my leader, but the thought of Jericho's involvement in our struggle doesn't appeal. I may not have been present in any talks between Oracle and yourselves, but they have been discussed in great detail, and they certainly haven't set pulses racing.

Simply put, Jericho lost any credibility they had when they got involved with the Venal Alliance (and to a lesser extent - TTI). How you have the gall to talk about matters of slavery and oppression while working alongside people responsible for death and destruction of the innocent is beyond me. Am I to assume that the "long view" that I'm missing out on involves Jericho, via some great diplomatic coup, putting an end to the misery inflicted by Venal members? Is it that the Venal Alliance is a means to an end, which can be dropped when next season's fashion comes along? Or is it, as I suspect, more empty rhetoric?

The only vision I see of Oracle and Jericho is Oracle being used for some political gain and cast aside when we're no longer of any use. I wouldn't be surprised if we were handed on a plate to the authorities (or even Jericho's criminal friends) into the bargain.

Talk is very cheap in this universe, Jade. Private discussions and hushed exchanges of mail may count for something in your world, but Oracle's cause demands something a little more tangible. Should you decide to leave the bosom of your powerful alliance for a while then maybe, just maybe, I can be convinced that your involvement is more than just an empty gesture or something more sinister.

(And can we cut down on the quotewars please, it's so '99 Razz)

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.17 01:35:00 - [54]
 

Macumba

Regarding discussions and pulses-a-racing or no, well, these things happen, leaps of faith and all that. Regarding Venal, TTI, “long views” and diplomatic coups … put your thoughts at rest m’dear, I really don’t believe in diplomacy … that is simply the art of lying with a friendly smile on your face. And empty rhetoric, well perhaps, perhaps not, you will (as the saying goes) have to suck it and see.

Of your fears for Oracle and Jericho and your use and discarding thence and after, I would ask you to speak with monsieur Sarkos … I have been entirely frank with that charming gentleman; he may place your mind at rest.

But to an extent you are entirely right; the Jericho agenda is not limited to Oracle’s success and our ambitions go further than Minmatar freedom. But my dear, do you insist on total ideological purity when offered the aid of fellow travellers?

And of your invitation; how kind, I am in fact far away from Venal as we speak, and some way outside the bosom of the VA. Maybe we could agree a rendezvous monsieur … perhaps gunport to gunport and faith to faith would lend a zestful frisson to naming of faith and true ambition?

And of the quotes, my apologies … ‘tis often simpler to consider the gist of a point when quoting sections – a mnemonic device and no more sinister intent I assure you.

Love and peace

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.17 11:17:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Hardin on 17/08/2003 11:20:09

Despite the fact that we shall shortly be at war, PIE Inc and our members formerly of First Praetorian Guard, have always found Oracle to be men of their word...

Even if we disagree with those words Oracle have proved willing to back their rhetoric with ships and action!

The same cannot be said of Jade Constantine. Since her 'declaration' of war on the side of Oracle we have sighted many Jericho ships (including Jade's own).

Were they cruisers or battleships come to play their part in the war? No...in each case they were Industrials - probably hauling robotics or whatever the latest cash cow is along the superhighways.

Unfortunately, as Jade has not 'officially' declared war through the proper channels and the ships have been in high-sec space we have yet been able to take any action without bringing Concord down on ourselves...

It is just odd that after pledging her support to Oracle so publicly on these boards that Jericho Fraction has made no effort to engage us and simply continued trading - business as normal...

We shouldn't be surprised after all - what else can you expect from a Gallente...


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.17 11:56:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 17/08/2003 12:00:24

Well monsieur Hardin, it is like this;

Concord bureaucracy yet ties our hands, and though we have little enough respect for such things, only the truly insane would ignore the penalties of transgressing these customs in high security space. Alas for timely hostilities; it is policy of Concord conflict management agencies that only three declarations of war be recognised at any one time, and since Jericho’s third and final such declaration was directed against the 1st Praetorian Guards … needs must this dispute be officially ended before we can declare another and ‘til then we are chained by Concord inaction.

But this you must know monsieur Hardin? (Seeing as how the Guards have been assimilated and merged into your organisation after all)

Perhaps the more pertinent question to ask here is why the Praetorian Guards did not formally surrender to Jericho before merging with PIE Inc? After all, by most reasonable measures we did win the “war”. Prior to hostilities Jericho controlled a dozen ships and a nominal roster of a dozen pledged members against almost twice as many Praetorians … now we have increased our fleet and membership while the Praetorian organisation has dwindled and disappeared entirely. Technically monsieur … that is a win; say what you will of Gallente customs but at least we are sporting opponents and not too proud to acknowledge defeat when it happens.

And yet knowing all this, you still produce a public accusation of our unwillingness to formalise the declaration … hmmm, one might well accuse you in turn of making public relations capital from the safety of Concord bureaucratic interference.

That is hardly a creditable position monsieur Hardin, nor one that any thoughtful analysis would be likely to count telling or pertinent.

So, since you raise this matter I challenge you as representative of PIE Inc to expedite this process;

Either revitalise the corporation you assimilated so it may surrender to Jericho properly.

Or contact Concord (as have we) to ask a nullification of the extant declaration of war.

Or declare war on Jericho directly yourselves; it is after all, your turn, since we filled in the paperwork the first time around.

And just so there is no doubt; we have passed the declaration of war against PIE Inc and it merely awaits enactment the moment the Praetorian conflict is rendered void or successfully resolved. Until that happens, why should we not continue trade operations? Only an Amarri plutocrat like your good self has the witless desire to cut off the nose to spite the face …

Love and peace


Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.17 12:44:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Hardin on 17/08/2003 13:05:00

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Well monsieur Hardin, it is like this;

Concord bureaucracy yet ties our hands, and though we have little enough respect for such things, only the truly insane would ignore the penalties of transgressing these customs in high security space. Alas for timely hostilities; it is policy of Concord conflict management agencies that only three declarations of war be recognised at any one time, and since Jericho’s third and final such declaration was directed against the 1st Praetorian Guards … needs must this dispute be officially ended before we can declare another and ‘til then we are chained by Concord inaction.


As you yourself pointed out in your initial post the Concord regulations do not preclude some action in 0.0 space... Some of us do spend time in these areas but you do not seem to have made any effort to seek us out...

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But this you must know monsieur Hardin? (Seeing as how the Guards have been assimilated and merged into your organisation after all)

Perhaps the more pertinent question to ask here is why the Praetorian Guards did not formally surrender to Jericho before merging with PIE Inc? After all, by most reasonable measures we did win the “war”. Prior to hostilities Jericho controlled a dozen ships and a nominal roster of a dozen pledged members against almost twice as many Praetorians … now we have increased our fleet and membership while the Praetorian organisation has dwindled and disappeared entirely. Technically monsieur … that is a win; say what you will of Gallente customs but at least we are sporting opponents and not too proud to acknowledge defeat when it happens.


I will have to check (when the former CEO of First Praetorian Guard is accessible to me) but from what I have heard you did not seek engagement in the first 'war'.

In fact my sources tell me that not a single battle was fought involving Jericho Fraction. I suppose you would like to leave the fighting to Oracle again?

As not a single clash was fought I laugh at your claim that you 'won'. The fact that you had more members and ships at the time First Praetorian Guard merged with PIE Inc is no indication of your ability and even willingness to fight...

Needless to say we would technically 'surrender' the First Praetorian Guard's war to you if it would expedite our present engagement. Unfortunately we find ourselves bound in the same layers of Concord bureaucracy that you do.

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And yet knowing all this, you still produce a public accusation of our unwillingness to formalise the declaration … hmmm, one might well accuse you in turn of making public relations capital from the safety of Concord bureaucratic interference.

That is hardly a creditable position monsieur Hardin, nor one that any thoughtful analysis would be likely to count telling or pertinent.

So, since you raise this matter I challenge you as representative of PIE Inc to expedite this process;

Either revitalise the corporation you assimilated so it may surrender to Jericho properly.

Or contact Concord (as have we) to ask a nullification of the extant declaration of war.

Or declare war on Jericho directly yourselves; it is after all, your turn, since we filled in the paperwork the first time around.


With regard your 3 challenges

1) I have already expressed willingness to have the original war between 1PG and Jericho Fraction 'surrendered' in order to expedite a new declaration. This has not been possible because of Concord and stakeholder issues.

2) We have contacted Concord on this very issue on several occasions and have not had a response through their bureacracy yet! We live in hope.

3) We would declare war on you - except we also have 3 outstanding but long idle wars registered with Concord.

Maybe I was harsh in my previous response as at present Concord seems to the only thing holding us back.

However, as you pointed out yourself we can make war in 0.0 space and yet you have shown no attempt at instigating such a conflict by searching out our operations and attempting to disrupt them.

We on the other hand have made an active attempt to locate your operations (with some success) and have only been prevented from taking action because whenever we find your ships they are in 0.9 or 1.0 space!

As it seems that you do not intend to take any initiative to progress this 'war' which you so loftily declared you may as well continue your trade operations for now.

At least then you will be able to provide ISK to Oracle - and let them do the dirty work on your behalf! After all that is what Gallente do best...

Long Live The Emperor

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2003.08.17 13:16:00 - [58]
 

Monsieur Hardin,

It is not the business of soon-to-be foes to gift operational information like trinkets from a doting beau; yes, operations in 0.0 space are possible, and whether or not such things have already occurred is something I will neither confirm nor deny. In conflict m’dear; what we do, and what seem to do are rightly often two different things.

Of the first “war” you are correct in your memory, but then, I did say as much in the first declaration at the top of this discussion thread! Not exactly exhaustive detective work there monsieur Hardin; still, small things and all that, non?

Yes the “war” with the Praetorians a frustrating non-event in the main, but hey, these things happen … and thus our delighted anticipation in the renewing of hostilities with these old elusive foes under the banner of PIE Inc.

I am pleased to hear of your willingness to offer formal surrender though; a mark in your favour monsieur.

And I am likewise encouraged by your positive response to the challenges made, let us toast to the success of these overtures and look forward to the joining of battle in earnest.

I will offer no comment with regard to our operations and your attempts to locate them.

Loose lips sink ships mon cherie

Macumba
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.18 09:56:00 - [59]
 

Having witnessed Athule's actions in Amarr last night, having heard stories of Venal's continuing expansion and having given the matter more thought over the weekend, I want nothing whatsoever to do with Jericho.

Frankly you are a liability and a disaster waiting to happen. I see no benefit in becoming involved with a corporation who has such dubious bedfellows and is so openly hostile towards my people.

Whether my Voushod shares my opinion on the matter remains to be seen, but this is where I stand.

Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleet Yards
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.08.18 11:30:00 - [60]
 

Macumba is a fine example why I personally enjoy the battles against Oracle and honor them as warriors although they are heretic barbarians - no PR spins, no attention whoring.

Wars are fought with weapons, not words. And Bestowers aren't really a worthy warriors outfit.


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