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Rawne Karrde
Bre-X Interstellar Shipyards
Ejectile Dysfunction
Posted - 2006.02.13 16:19:00 - [121]
 

divisional wallets and for heavens sake, corp wallet export. A good parser tool could then atleast be used to help with doing the books. Would actually allow for more peeps to provide profit loss sheets and actually better able to carry on share buying/selling practises.

Archangel Deck
R E D E M P T I O N
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2006.02.17 07:06:00 - [122]
 

For corp wallet and personal wallet i would like to see an export option plus a tax summery, and also a way to filter things out, ie Bounty Prize

For many of u who have a corp and deal with the corp wallet u see page after page after page of Bounty Prize from all ur members and their npcing, i would like to be able to have the option to have the wallet show how much tax u have gotten from each person in the last day/week/month and maybe even total, so u could set ur wallet load it and u would see how much tax u have gotten in that day from ur members, would make it alot easier than seeing 20 pages of tax for one days worth of npcing

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2006.02.17 15:34:00 - [123]
 

I want a mouseover option on the different corporate hangars, which then reveals a short description of the hangar, who can use it, what to put in it and so forth.

John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Posted - 2006.02.18 12:00:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Oveur
Excellent summary of what's needed. I think it's time for an "Corporation Management Revisited" project.


Thank you! Very Happy

Anton Zuber
Minmatar
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.02.24 07:28:00 - [125]
 

How slowly the development world moves. Ah well. In current news my modest little corp seems to have dried up and died on me so I don't personally have any guinea pigs ... *cough* *ahem* I mean fellow corp members to test things with.

I am still very interested in seeing the Corp tools reworked. Several points I am rather sore about still are....

Unable to cancel factory and research jobs.
Unable to remotely view the contents of a container
Numerous problems with the accounting tools.

For now I'm pretty much giving up on trying to run a corp. I will await a day when there are better tools for the job.

Eethrak
LiveTech
Cold Fusion Syndicate
Posted - 2006.02.25 01:22:00 - [126]
 

Corporation/Asset/Office listing should show what hangar equipment is in. Particularly irritating given that we now have remote industry skills, but cant see where resources are being stored in a remote location.

Remote buying at corp offices goes to the delivery hangar, but given we now have remote sci/ind, can we get remote deliver (or just bypass deliver when the corp has an office in the station) to stop people having to run into the office, be given trader role (or possibly Delivery Boy proposed) and drop the items into the hangar. Its an overcomplication when the corp has an office in the same station.

Corp blueprints need to be used once to appear in the sci/ind list, essentially unpacked. Also needs the same to be locked down. Seems kind of unnecessary.

Reason field on standing changes to players does not show entered reason, shows "Player set" or "Corp set" dependant on whether its corp->X or player->X standing being changed, and not the reason that was entered when the standing was changed.

Would like to see much more abilities for exporting to external programs. The one aspect that now implements this is one of the more pointless areas.

/sign to everything thats been added since the last time i /signed too.

ceaon
Posted - 2006.02.26 01:27:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: ceaon on 26/02/2006 01:42:50
Edited by: ceaon on 26/02/2006 01:29:03
dunno if is already posted i asked ppl this post based ongame information


-add a log whit corp hangar item movement that be auto mailed at all corp members and also donwloaded
-add more corp rank
-add restrictions for a rank like:
1.corp read
2.corp speack
3.alliance read
4.alliance speack ( of corse whot got speack rights get read also)
-add option if char dont log in game xx time ( time assigned by leader ) to be auto moved on xx corp rank ( rank assigned by leader )


thx
sry about my english


http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=299319

Anton Zuber
Minmatar
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.02.26 18:37:00 - [128]
 

Found an interesting quirk.

Now we all know you cannot edit, cancel, or in any way affect corporate orders placed by other members of your corp, Or can you?

Apparently, if you strip the accountant/trader roles from a member it immediatelly cancels every order they have out there for the corp.

This is unexpected and kind of obnoxious really. It would be much better if there was simply a role that had the rights to cancel and possibly modify ALL corporate orders. Also there should be an appropriate warning for stripping the accountant/trader roles since this apparently has a pretty profound effect.

Pepperami
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.02.26 22:47:00 - [129]
 

I posted my wallet desires in a new thread before reading the sticky (way to go me).

I really look forward to the corp management being revisted, I can't stress how much this would help both my corp and alliance (for instance, income off a conquerable station should be redirectable so I can forward money onto an alliance "wallet" easily without guesswork)

I hope this gets worked on soon :)

Somatic Neuron
Posted - 2006.02.26 23:25:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Somatic Neuron on 26/02/2006 23:25:18
I don't see this on the condensed list, but the Corp Wallet needs a Transactions tab and an Orders tab for Corp transactions and orders...the orders tab needs to show who placed the order, and anyone with the correct roles should be able to modify or cancel a corp order. The transaction tab should show who sold/purchased the item for the corp. Oh yeah, wallet export would be nice...CSV should be sufficient.

Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.02.27 05:56:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Somatic Neuron
Edited by: Somatic Neuron on 26/02/2006 23:25:18
I don't see this on the condensed list, but the Corp Wallet needs a Transactions tab and an Orders tab for Corp transactions and orders...the orders tab needs to show who placed the order, and anyone with the correct roles should be able to modify or cancel a corp order. The transaction tab should show who sold/purchased the item for the corp. Oh yeah, wallet export would be nice...CSV should be sufficient.


The corporation orders tab is in the market, bad UI design imho.

Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.02.27 06:02:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 26/02/2006 01:42:50
Edited by: ceaon on 26/02/2006 01:29:03
dunno if is already posted i asked ppl this post based ongame information


-add a log whit corp hangar item movement that be auto mailed at all corp members and also donwloaded
-add more corp rank
-add restrictions for a rank like:
1.corp read
2.corp speack
3.alliance read
4.alliance speack ( of corse whot got speack rights get read also)
-add option if char dont log in game xx time ( time assigned by leader ) to be auto moved on xx corp rank ( rank assigned by leader )


thx
sry about my english



No more automails without having them role based and the option of turning them off. I get enough junk mail in my email box :(

Somatic Neuron
Posted - 2006.02.27 12:05:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Johnathan Roark
Originally by: Somatic Neuron
Edited by: Somatic Neuron on 26/02/2006 23:25:18
I don't see this on the condensed list, but the Corp Wallet needs a Transactions tab and an Orders tab for Corp transactions and orders...the orders tab needs to show who placed the order, and anyone with the correct roles should be able to modify or cancel a corp order. The transaction tab should show who sold/purchased the item for the corp. Oh yeah, wallet export would be nice...CSV should be sufficient.


The corporation orders tab is in the market, bad UI design imho.


Yeah, I was aware of that...not very intuitive placement, considering where it is for players.

Corp Scammer
Posted - 2006.02.27 12:29:00 - [134]
 

to the last post totally agree better placement would be an idea

Days since last login for all members in youre corp (wil help with inactives and players that are placed as spies then left dormant until a few months later) if they dont log in for a month then u know how long its been in days and can kick em

Divisional wallets to match the current rights and roles grantable that exists. Half implemented cr*p needs fixing ASAP

Otherwise a lot of good ideas on this thread

up to 30% corp tax (perhaps corp vote by majority of active members) to raise above 20%.

ALso allow CEOs to set a threashold on where it kicks in ie rat kills over 1k or over 100k only. Same with missions maybe only level 3 and 4 missions.

Anton Zuber
Minmatar
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.02.28 02:16:00 - [135]
 

- CLIENT LOCKUP! When trying to "deliver" a job, if you lack any necessary roles or skills...

Is still on the list because the problem is not really resolved. While it is true that many have learned through trial and error and or word of mouth that you can (usually) get around this by pressing escape, this is still completely unnacceptable.

This popup progress bar should not even appear in the first place if a player lacks the necessary roles and or skills to perform an action. And in the event that it does appear, it should not ever under any circumstances require the player to press escape to make it go away. If it is necessary to include a way to remove this broken progress bar add a cancel button to it don't expect us to guess how to get it to clear.

Anton Zuber
Minmatar
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.02.28 02:22:00 - [136]
 

Edited by: Anton Zuber on 28/02/2006 02:23:33
And a small rant from me.

2006.02.26 19:31 Market Escrow -23,980,000.00 ISK Balance 85,379,770.20 ISK Market Escrow

This is an example of what the journal currently tells us. Let's break this down verbally and underline what it DOESN'T tell us.

2006.02.26 19:31 Market Escrow SOMEBODY bought or sold a QUANTITY of SOMETHING from SOMEBODY at SOMEWHERE for an amount of -23,980,000.00 ISK leaving a Balance of 85,379,770.20 ISK with a description of Market Escrow

Okay. Maybe I am ranting a little, but this is just outright absurd.

Corp Scammer
Posted - 2006.02.28 04:34:00 - [137]
 

to the last poster a lack of escrow information ie descriptioin of transaction is a big issue that should be resolved soon (TM)

Anton Zuber
Minmatar
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.03.01 02:22:00 - [138]
 

Colored names for CEO's and Directors in corp and Alliance chat
Corps can be insanely huge in EVE and Alliances are even more so. Because of this it would be extremely helpful for CEO's and Directors to have their chat highlighted in their corp and alliance channels.

Colors should be configurable client side, so we aren't locked into some colors which would be painful for us to see all the time.

Ability to mute corp members
Also it is unfair to be unable to mute corp members. Players should be able to mute anybody, and a CEO or Director should be able to mute a player so that nobody in the corp can hear them if necessary.

Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.03.01 04:34:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Johnathan Roark on 01/03/2006 04:35:00
Originally by: Anton Zuber
Colored names for CEO's and Directors in corp and Alliance chat
Corps can be insanely huge in EVE and Alliances are even more so. Because of this it would be extremely helpful for CEO's and Directors to have their chat highlighted in their corp and alliance channels.

Colors should be configurable client side, so we aren't locked into some colors which would be painful for us to see all the time.

Ability to mute corp members
Also it is unfair to be unable to mute corp members. Players should be able to mute anybody, and a CEO or Director should be able to mute a player so that nobody in the corp can hear them if necessary.



This is very needed. In a busy corp chat of any size, it can be very easy to miss instructions by leadership. Maybe the colors can be toggled on and off by the person speaking?

On the muting, sometimes a player will get carried away and not listen to orders to stop flooding corp chat, a director or ceo being able to temperory mute a player for a limited amount of time would be wonderful.

Also, when kicking a player, there status should be changed so they can not read or speak in corp or alliance chat while the timers count down.

Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2006.03.01 17:00:00 - [140]
 

/signed

Particularly for
-Remote stack and split
-Changing Deliveries hanger system

As a trader part of a freelance corp, I've tried several times to trade on corp's behalf and it's just plain awkward.

Especially with the nature of escrow and player courrier interfaces

Nifel
PAX Technologies
Posted - 2006.03.02 09:33:00 - [141]
 

Something's that hugely missing from the original list is the ability to export all your corporation data to say an xml file so you can process it further and build up databases of your own that caters to your needs specifically. Same goes for POSes.

Anton Zuber
Minmatar
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.03.02 21:47:00 - [142]
 

Well... I see I have some new things to stare at. I see that a cancel feature went in for science and industry (about time) as well as a few other minor changes.

Soon as I can sort out the details I'll get the list updated. Any new issues that crop up, please post 'em.

Corp Scammer
Posted - 2006.03.02 22:13:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Johnathan Roark
Edited by: Johnathan Roark on 01/03/2006 04:35:00
Originally by: Anton Zuber
Colored names for CEO's and Directors in corp and Alliance chat
Corps can be insanely huge in EVE and Alliances are even more so. Because of this it would be extremely helpful for CEO's and Directors to have their chat highlighted in their corp and alliance channels.

Colors should be configurable client side, so we aren't locked into some colors which would be painful for us to see all the time.

Ability to mute corp members
Also it is unfair to be unable to mute corp members. Players should be able to mute anybody, and a CEO or Director should be able to mute a player so that nobody in the corp can hear them if necessary.



This is very needed. In a busy corp chat of any size, it can be very easy to miss instructions by leadership. Maybe the colors can be toggled on and off by the person speaking?

On the muting, sometimes a player will get carried away and not listen to orders to stop flooding corp chat, a director or ceo being able to temperory mute a player for a limited amount of time would be wonderful.

Also, when kicking a player, there status should be changed so they can not read or speak in corp or alliance chat while the timers count down.


All of the above if u have a corp theif then if they are being kicked yes blocking them from all corp and aliance chat would be a good idea

CEOs coloured icons yeah sounds good

Days since last login info available to CEOs on all member details anotehr good inactives management tools.

Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited
Posted - 2006.03.03 19:09:00 - [144]
 

Hi,

Just was informed this thread existed. I had already started another one with several suggestions, but I'll put it in here for posterity:

Corps - In need of some luvin'

Perhaps if Anton would be good enough to update his summary with these suggestions?

Andargor

Anton Zuber
Minmatar
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.03.04 18:41:00 - [145]
 

Okay Andargor, seen and noted. I hesitate to include a couple of your ideas however.

First the stockmarket ideas. I agree with these and most of them are already there, but some of the more advanced concepts here such as hostile takeovers and mergers really need to be put on a shelf somewhere until the shares and voting system itself works reliably.

I'd rather not confuse CCP with this or they might just be crazy enough to actually give us that now before even bothering to fix the voting system which would be a cataclysm in the makings.

The other one I'm hesitant to include is your request to be able to be a CEO of two different companies. I simply don't agree with this. You should belong to one corp only. period.

Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited
Posted - 2006.03.04 20:41:00 - [146]
 

Thanks Anton. I realize that some ideas are more popular than others, and wasn't expecting a total approval of my suggestions.

I agree with you that some basic things need to be fixed first. The rest, mergers, acquisition, etc., are another dimension that I simply feel is missing from the game.

Perhaps in due time.

Andargor

Da'iel Zehn
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.03.04 22:31:00 - [147]
 

Some work needs to be done on voting and paying out dividends.

1) Unissued shares should not vote with the CEO.
2) When you choose to pay dividends it should be divided only among shares that have been issued. Currently it pays out to uninssued shares and the corporation just gets the funds back.

Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.03.05 08:04:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Da'iel Zehn
Some work needs to be done on voting and paying out dividends.

1) Unissued shares should not vote with the CEO.
2) When you choose to pay dividends it should be divided only among shares that have been issued. Currently it pays out to uninssued shares and the corporation just gets the funds back.



Shares in the corp wallet are considered owned by the corporation. It doesnt' matter what corp the shares are for.

If a corp owns shares, then the corp should be able to voice its opinion on those shares. CEO would be the only member with the authority to voice that opinion.

I haven't researched this, but isn't that how it works in RL?

Also, why assume those shares are unissued in the corp wallet? They are issued at creation to the corp.

Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.03.05 08:14:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Andargor theWise
Hi,

Just was informed this thread existed. I had already started another one with several suggestions, but I'll put it in here for posterity:

Corps - In need of some luvin'

Perhaps if Anton would be good enough to update his summary with these suggestions?

Andargor


I'd love some merger tools. Merging corps right now is a difficult process. The share system does need some work first though.

As far as being CEO of more than one corp, i dont see the point. Right now, most corps form subcorps to get arround one wallet and lack of more divisions in the corp hangers. If that is fixed, then why would you want or need to be CEO of two corporations?

Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited
Posted - 2006.03.05 16:35:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: Andargor theWise on 05/03/2006 16:38:30

Originally by: Johnathan Roark

Shares in the corp wallet are considered owned by the corporation. It doesnt' matter what corp the shares are for.

If a corp owns shares, then the corp should be able to voice its opinion on those shares. CEO would be the only member with the authority to voice that opinion.

I haven't researched this, but isn't that how it works in RL?

Also, why assume those shares are unissued in the corp wallet? They are issued at creation to the corp.


In RL, it's a bit different. A corporation is all about its shareholders. The CEO, President, Board of Directors and any other officers work for the shareholders.

It may happen that an officer will also be a shareholder, but it can also be just an employee. It all depends on the conditions under which the officer came to work for the company, and what the shareholders gave them.

This said, a corporation in RL can own shares. In fact, it is common practice for a corporation to buy back shares to reduce the number in circulation. It is the opposite of issuing shares: instead of seeking funding, you are consolidating the remaining shareholders' position.

Whether the corporation keeps the shares or not, any votes are still based on the shareholders. The corporation is not a shareholder, but the expression of the will of the shareholders. So it doesn't matter whether they still exist or not. (They are actually a piece of paper... a certificate)

An interesting thing to add as well in EVE, is options... This way you could recruit new members by giving them options, vesting over the next months.

Andargor






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