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Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2008.07.31 09:30:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: BloodBird
Same goes for Minmatar, the two words used on them are collectively Minmatar, and Matari.
Actually, I think that only correct way to collectively refer to them is "Minmatar".

Matar being their homeworld, I figured that Minmatar translate to something akin to "people of Matar", "children of Matar" or simply "of Matar". Ergo, calling them "Matar" or "Matari" is incorrect.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2008.08.04 15:29:00 - [212]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 04/08/2008 15:30:17
Originally by: BloodBird
I believe I heard an argument over the plural of Caldari not to long ago.

It seems the argument ended on a few facts, Gallente is Gallenteans in plural, Amarr is Amarrians, Minmatar is just Minmatar, plural and singular, or one can use Matari, as a more polite refference to more than one or the people as a whole.

Caldari however seemed to land on "Caldari" being the singular and plural version, there is no "Caldarian" or some-such.


"Caldarian" just seems stilted, really. Personally, I treat it as follows:

"There is one..."****"The X have..."*******"There are two..."

Amarrian___________The Amarr___________Amarrians
Caldari_____________The Caldari__________Caldari
Gallente____________The Gallente_________Gallenteans
Minmatar___________The Matari___________Minmatar
Jovian______________The Jove____________Jovians

EDIT: also, to the person above me, surely "Matari" would just mean "Of Matar"?

Garion Avarr
Amarr
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2008.08.08 22:15:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: BloodBird
Same goes for Minmatar, the two words used on them are collectively Minmatar, and Matari.
Actually, I think that only correct way to collectively refer to them is "Minmatar".

Matar being their homeworld, I figured that Minmatar translate to something akin to "people of Matar", "children of Matar" or simply "of Matar". Ergo, calling them "Matar" or "Matari" is incorrect.

Technically, I think you are right, but Matar/Matari could be considered to be slang, or an informal usage to describe something that could be either Minmatar or Ammatar -- my character generally uses it to mean something that relates to the race, not the culture.

'Matar' itself means either 'true' or 'home,' as we know that 'San Matar' mean 'true home.'

Given it's the name of their homeworld, 'home' seems the better meaning. Though if it was 'true,' Minmatar could mean 'true people' . . . maybe the Amarr aren't the only ones that think they're the only people of any worth!

I tend to think that Matar means home, however, and that it takes on a different meaning when used in the compound Minmatar, and that that means something akin to 'the people.'

Daevonar
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.10.01 13:06:00 - [214]
 

Ways to flesh out your character and make them feel/seem more believable.

1) Remember that the things hich are important to someone are often not what you expect, they can seem trivial to others.

2) Remember that real people do many small unimportant and trivial activities daily... your character has to eat, sleep, go to the toilet etc etc. Don't over emphasise these points... they dont make interesting chat normally, but used sparingly they can help add a little detail and believability to a story.

3) Try and keep a consistant personality... I do not mean you have to always react the same way or hold the same point of view, but generally a character should be consistent in how they feel about situations, and shouldnt' be too ready to change their mind (unless of course you have decided to make your character flighty and unpredictable). A very common mistake is to 'forget' what your character is like and come across as having some kind of split personality disorder.

4) Related to 3, knowing a bit about your background helps. As said before it is a good idea to keep most of your history to yourself, thats how people really behave, but the history of your character should inform the way you behave. I always think that a good indication that a character is being role played well is if you can make guesses and assumptions about their background, without them having to tell you.

For example... You and your fleet see some ships from another faction under attack from pirates... you know that your character has a bad relationship with that faction, when asked if you will help do not reply "not a chance when I was young your faction blaa blaa blaa" it's not very realistic. Instead just a simple comment of "not a chance" would be much better, this leaves people to wonder why you wont help, gets them thinking and maybe opens up more rp possibilities... maybe they will jus tthink you ar e afraid... but so what, thats part of roleplaying too, when you prove otherwise in another situation they will have to re-evaluate their ideas of you :)

Willem Revolati
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.10.18 01:36:00 - [215]
 

Don't be afraid to have an open mind when talking to an enemy faction.

Sometimes the most fun (and challenging) sides of RP can be forming a mutual understanding, or maybe even freindship with an enemy faction member. EVE makes it very possible to do this.

For example, there are Ammar characters who oppose slavery and their Gods, there are Minmatar characters who would welcome Ammar occupancy, there are Gallenteans who are ruffless and tyrnaical pirates and corp owners, and there are Caladari who are liberal-minded freedom fighters.

Just pay attention to what the person is actually saying and you might find some surprises, which you will miss if your RP immediately jumps into an agressive stance.

Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.10.20 13:33:00 - [216]
 

Please, please, please can people stop explaining their OOC motivations bracketed in this forum?

It's not needed. IC feelings and opinions are just that - the feelings and opinions of the character, not the player.

You don't need to excuse yourself for the choices you make for your character because of real life events - we all have a player behind the character and everyone should be aware of that and not assume that the player is the same as their character seems.

If I ran into Verone at the supermarket, I wouldn't need to defend my shopping cart.

Well, not unless I had beer.

But if there's a lot of OOC reasoning behind something that needs to be discussed, start a thread in CAOD or another OOC area, rather than shattering immersion and asking people to make IC decisions based on your real life.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.12.22 02:07:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: Evanda Char
If I ran into Verone at the supermarket, I wouldn't need to defend my shopping cart.

Well, not unless I had beer.


Or chocolate cake YARRRR!!

Seriously though, Eva is right in this respect.

This is an in character forum, it's for in character interaction, there's no need to put OOC brackets everywhere to state your reasoning or defend your IC reactions.

People who're worth a damn in the RP circle, and who have an actual grasp of the divide between IC and OOC will KNOW that you're playing your character out, and aren't being an ass on an OOC level.

I mean honestly! I play a savage, sadistic, schizophrenic and bipolar outlaw with a terrible history of drug abuse, violence and a criminal record longer than a fat guy's shopping list.

Just because I play this in game, it doesn't mean I run around out of game making babies cry and beating up old people.

The key thing I think should be inherant in an RPer is to be able to distinguish between IC and OOC, what they mean and how they should be applied when you're developing your character.


3ll3
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.12.29 17:00:00 - [218]
 

I agree what happens in IC should stay IC though some tend to add OOC to correct soem thign they said or didn't say and ment to.

Personaly if I make a msitake in some thing I tend to play it through and go with the flow, recently I didn't read a IC article about the going on in Gallentian Space and the imolation thing, I relized to late but played it through despite some being some thing I felt to be some what offencive OOC wise.

Remeber if its's mroe fun to play things as they come than to play out some script, well I think so any way. Cool
*Wiggles*

Scagga Laebetrovo
Failure Assured
Posted - 2009.01.15 09:30:00 - [219]
 

((((((((((Quit this))))))))))))

Business please. How'd you like to go to the cinema and have the evil villain break character on film to explain that his real world character is nothing like what he is acting...I'd ask for my money back.

Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
Posted - 2009.01.28 15:43:00 - [220]
 

What's the score relating to the use of the forum smilies?

e.g. if someone announces something astounding, is it alright to use Shocked ?

Trexan
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:05:00 - [221]
 

I have some questions about RP'ing, as I have considered RP before now.

Is there a way to talk about fitting a ship for example? I don't want to RP if I should fit a Cap Booster or not. Also, are there many channels to one RP corp? Like a 'normal' channel (OOC?) a role playing channel etc.

Can other people see what I am doing in chat? As in do our characters all have video screens, visual data? When we type something is that a radio message? If there is a corp meeting are the only ones docked at the same station viable to talk? etc etc.

When doing missions does that count as something that my character is doing? Or if you are doing lots of missions should you only RP a few of them to other people?

Do ships have crews?

Does the player's ISK reflect the character's wealth?

When talking to another RP'er in chat, and say something like 'I hope (Insert name here) dosn't hear me' or whatever but the said person is obviously in the channel, is that allowed? Only if the characters are physically there of course.

Thanks :)

Arnulf Ogunkoya
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.02.13 20:22:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Trexan
I have some questions about RP'ing, as I have considered RP before now.
<snip - Cut for brevity.>
Thanks :)


IC discussion of ship fittings is no different to OOC discussion. Everything you are talking about exists in the game after all.

Chat channels are sometimes seen as video comms (hence people talking about showing expressions in response to what someone says). Sometimes the channel header will specify that the channel represents a place (such as one of the many IC bars). To "be" there you could be projecting a holo or have caught an InterBus flight to the location of the place. You do not, strictly speaking, have to actually fly to the in-game location of the place you are attending unless the host of the channel says otherwise.

Missions, and discussion of them, are legitimate IC activity. I tend to think of them as representing the typical tactics of the NPC group I am operating against. That way repeating the same mission doesn't seem too strange.

Most ships above the size of a small frigate do have crews. This has been very well established. You might RP using extensive automation and/or AI to cut down on this but be aware that such systems would be IC experimental and likely seen as unreliable.

The larger ships (BS and up) have crew complements in the thousands.

The player's ISK is the character's wealth. You might as well ask if the ships are the character's ships. The game seems to sublimate such details as crew wages, docking fees, cost of living stuff like a character's meals as too boring to work out in detail. Presumably such things require a trivial portion of your wealth to operate.

If you are in the same channel as another pilot, they can usually be assumed to hear you. In the IC bars private conversations can be done by pulling up a brief one-to one convo with the person you want to speak to (Hint: setting your CSPA comms fee to zero is a good idea if you are going to do this a lot).

You're welcome. Very Happy

CCP Mitnal


C C P
Posted - 2009.02.23 18:51:00 - [223]
 

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Magnus Nordir
Caldari
Nordir Industries
Posted - 2009.03.16 14:54:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 16/03/2009 14:53:55
Not sounding like a madman? Now where's the fun in that? Laughing

SolusLunes
Caldari
2plus2isfive
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.03.23 13:14:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Magnus Nordir
Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 16/03/2009 14:53:55
Not sounding like a madman? Now where's the fun in that? Laughing


And you pull it off so well :D

Ohit
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.25 13:38:00 - [226]
 

First off sorry for making new topic without reading this one trough. thanks to Fi Vantage For the Link's lots of fun and lucrative information there.

Again then to my question regarding the ships and it's crew,
Magnus Nordir mentioned a Frigate is = 0-10 crewmen and then upwards did he mean that a cruiser have up to 100 battle cruiser 1000 and upwards from there?.

second of. is there any larger Minimatar/gallente alliances that like the cva amarr one? i looked around and found one called ushra khaan but people i asked about them said they are just regular low sec alliance thees days. :( Read a story about the cva - khaan wars sounded like that must have been plenty fun :D

Thanks in advance and sorry for being a complete newbie with maybe to many stupid questions Embarassed

Ohit

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 17:43:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: Ohit


second of. is there any larger Minimatar/gallente alliances that like the cva amarr one? i looked around and found one called ushra khaan but people i asked about them said they are just regular low sec alliance thees days. :( Read a story about the cva - khaan wars sounded like that must have been plenty fun :D

Ohit


Your sources misinformed you. Ushra'Khan are still around and a lot of them are based in 0.0 although they don't hold their own territory anymore and are working closely with the Against All Authorites (-A-) alliance.

They still try and terrorise Holy Amarrian Providence and the CVA still tries to stop them. Ushra'Khan seems to have enjoyed a bit of a renaissance recently and have had a growth in numbers and activity. You may find some of their recruiting threads in the recruitment section.

Hope that helps!

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2009.03.29 01:35:00 - [228]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 29/03/2009 09:44:21
Okay, rather than post this in the actual thread itself, I'm going to post it here, in the only validly OOC part of this whole forum and link it.

I apologize in advance if what I say comes across as being a personal attack - I'm trying to shoot for "constructive but very stern criticism" here.

@Magnus Nordir: I hope I can speak on behalf of the entire IGS when I say that none of us have a problem with you playing the insane megalomaniac bastard that you're playing. I daresay a few of us would prefer that you were a little more toned down at times, but at the end of the day, it's your RP, you're free to do what you like with it, within reason.

But alts? Alt characters popping up like goddamn mushrooms to back up your character's "theories" or present a different take on them? That is not within reason. I imagine that there are lamer practices, but I'm at a loss to think of one right now.

Deny it all you like, I see a thirteen-day-old School of Applied Knowledge character with no employment history and no reasonable way to have even encountered these "theories" before, let alone start calling you "Master" Nordir and whatnot, and not only am I automatically going to assume "Alt", I'm also going to be fething RIGHT in that assumption.

For God's sake man, stop being such an attention whore and just get on with the roleplaying. Find your niche, some allies, some foils, and try to let somebody else have the spotlight every once in a while. What you're doing with these alt posts is like entering a room full of people having pleasant conversations, then running around with a giant neon arrow strapped to your head, shouting "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!" through a megaphone and occasionally paying people to barge into the room and loudly discuss how awesome you are. It'd be obnoxious in a real-life situation, and it's obnoxious here as well.

It is NOT necessary to have characters like Paasio Hisokanen enter the IGS at random and start making threads about how Nordir's "Revolutionary ideas" are or whatever. We get it, you like your own RP angle and wish more people would agree with it ICly. That isn't going to happen so long as you insist on playing it so... coarse and unbelievable.

Tone it down. Leave the alts out. You don't need to adjust Magnus' behaviour very much, but you DO need to adjust it, otherwise all you're going to succeed in doing is alienating and irritating all the other RPers. We're here for social interaction between varied (and oft-times crazy) individuals with strong personalities. What we're not here for is to watch one charicatured "insane" clown attempting to parade around and be the center of attention with a gaggle of puppets to back him up. You could be trolling, in which case well done sir- you've gotten the response you wanted. Now please stop.

TL;DR version: You're being antisocial and annoying, and I'm sick of it. Stop posting with alts.

Davlos
Deus Imperiosus Acies
Posted - 2009.03.29 01:55:00 - [229]
 

Why bother talking to Magnus, mate? He doesn't deserve any sort of attention, including that OOC lecture, Stitcher.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2009.03.29 02:01:00 - [230]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 29/03/2009 02:01:24
probably, and tragically, true. But it makes ME feel better. It's like a wobbly tooth - you know you shouldn't prod at it, but somehow you can't help yourself.

Davlos
Deus Imperiosus Acies
Posted - 2009.03.29 02:31:00 - [231]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1034785

He can't handle a store clerk, and he believes in delusions that come from the Bible. Do you think he has any hope?

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2009.03.29 07:55:00 - [232]
 

Edited by: Graelyn on 29/03/2009 07:57:08
What Stitcher said.

Good Lord, people. Mad

It's still worth saying; even horribly annoying types can learn and develop into awesome storytellers.

Not often, nor likely, but possible.

Perhaps an intervention can be successful?

Magnus Nordir
Caldari
Nordir Industries
Posted - 2009.03.29 11:41:00 - [233]
 

Just thought I'd clear this up: I am not, and never will, pay for a second eve account just for forum alts. I have three characters on this one, yes, but the number of my "supporters" has somewhat exceeded two, wouldn't you say?

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2009.03.29 12:56:00 - [234]
 

one word: biomass.

Davlos
Deus Imperiosus Acies
Posted - 2009.03.29 13:38:00 - [235]
 

There is nothing to clear up. Bottom line is: you are horrible. Just stop.

Arnulf Ogunkoya
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.03.29 17:51:00 - [236]
 

I keep coming across people on the IGS stating that CONCORD has declared AI research illegal. I don't recall seeing any reference to this in prime fiction, indeed a few stories have characters interacting with AI's in mainstream society.

Does anyone know where this notion has come from?

Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
Posted - 2009.03.29 20:24:00 - [237]
 

Rogue Drones, That Kinda thing. I seem to recall reading it somewhere.
Also: Too many Mary-Sue Characters in the IGS right now.

Ohit
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.31 11:19:00 - [238]
 

Ok trying to get some more info again :) regarding this with Crew in ships. been reading most of al the history storys now and from what i undertand there are ships with captain - crew the whole deal, but from what i also understand capsuleers are a but special and have there capsule from witch they steer there ship and can alos eject the pod etc.


So how does Eve RP community run? do you mostly RP's as normal captains / crew members or as capsuleers?

And is there an ingame chat for "help with RP" i stink at it and not sure how to where to start.

Ohit

Hriskarr Jwolsky
Minmatar
Icarus Prime
Posted - 2009.03.31 22:06:00 - [239]
 

Would also like to know if there's an in-game channel for RP Help. I consider myself a pretty average RP'er, but theres till issues that I wonder.

Never really RP'ed in EVE before, only now am I starting to take an interest in it. I've written a bio, and have had it in my in-game character bio for quite a bit, but wanted to post it on the forum. Whats the general outlook on this? Is it more interesting to keep a bio quiet and let it unfold as I talk to people? So far, its in a state where Hriskarr seems to have collected all of his thoughts and retold his life so far.

Another thing, I've noticed that the in-game 'Summit' channel seems to be pretty quiet. Short of joining an RP corp, how else can I find people willing to RP? I've had people look at my bio before in-game, and RP with a few sentences, but never anything lasting.

Cheers.

SolusLunes
Caldari
2plus2isfive
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.04.06 13:04:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Milo Caman
Rogue Drones, That Kinda thing. I seem to recall reading it somewhere.
Also: Too many Mary-Sue Characters in the IGS right now.


Too many Mary-Sue characters EVAR.

When people stop wanting to be the center of attention it will stop.


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