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Kaeljen Dae
Minmatar
Lunatic Asylum
Posted - 2005.11.26 01:46:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Arshes Nei
Actually i cant quite follow your examples as they are a bit out of the way if i may say so...


I thought it was absolutely clear I was talking about "the end justifies the means" - You applied it so I applied the very same to slave labour. Is it an exaggerating? It is, but once you apply it, you can always apply "the end justifies the means", since it's much harder to draw a line lateron. In fact that's a very lively philosophic discussion, where some say that up to a certain point the end justifies the means and others saying that no end justifies the means. With neither side achieving any (objective) advantage.

Personally think that in EVE, no end justifies the mean of breaking the "eve should be an isolated system" - and those that breach this premise, get punished. This is the only point where discussion might start - and where definitely CCP needs to voice itself. I am sure that depending on what statement is voiced by CCP, taking a stance on this quite philosophic point of view, will make people feel disgusted or will find their point proven - depending on what said they are on.


Originally by: Arshes Nei
Last point is very important for me. Please stop with this GTC reselling at ebay. How is that supposed to work? Someone sends you money and you email him the code? You dont have the card physically, so you cant resell it physically either. How would you prevent scam? Whats stopping people to mail some random numbers?
Ebay can do nothing, or do you expect them to check back with ccp wether it was a valid code like the seller claimed or a invalid one as the buyer says? Sending the code back to get your money back cant be the solution either...


D'uh. This is the reason why people buy characters for ingame ISK. Because they trust a CCP-moderated character exchange more than an e-bay exchange. E-bay doesn't double check anything. You can only "flag" a member for putting up scams, not more. People have to trust each other... especially when things get "kinda virtual". Of course no one that bought a character per E-bay lateron complains to CCP saying they were scammed BUT there is a lively trade going on on e-bay for all kinds of stuff from different mmog's, including EVE - some are scams (they deserve it, hehe) and pitifuly some aren't scams. If you are one of those who don't believe it: haha. Look at other posts e-bay. If it didn't exist we wouldn't be here in the first place.


By the way: redistribution of money can lead to inflation as soon as the extraction of money skyrockets in the first place because it can be made in a (RL-) profitable way. Also
0,0 ownership doesn't make you strongest, it's the strongest that occupy 0,0, kicking out weaker. Political maps wouldn't change if it weren't like that.

Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
Posted - 2005.11.26 01:47:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Syris Anu


no special in-game items for attending FanFest. etc/)



We made this point a few weeks ago.


Ouvers responce at the time that it was a single entity, one of which 'i' found very disparaging considering the large amount of the playerbase they freely admit could not afford the cost of traveling to the fest.

Again another unbalance to the world in which they create.

Sad

HUGO DRAX
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.11.26 02:03:00 - [153]
 

ban!!!!!!!!!!1

Gunsnroses
Hmmzor.
Posted - 2005.11.26 02:13:00 - [154]
 

Signed.

Kirex
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.11.26 02:19:00 - [155]
 

signed

Amerame
Kernel of War
Posted - 2005.11.26 02:22:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: Kaeljen Dae


OPEN YOUR EYES: You can't ignore the downside, and it might ruin the game by building a hierarchy-system of characters AND players:

at the top: The VERY rich player that buys GTCs, using a few for himself, shelling out the rest in exchange for ISK, whose character can afford everything.


On the top of what ? Biggest ship stupidly ganked ever ? Will dozen of billions of ISK make out of a casual gamer an elite fleet leader all a sudden ? will he become trusted by multiple corporation and take their lead ? Would you even gang in 0.0 with someone knowing he just bought 3 days ago a 30M SP char and fully fitted faction BS ?
Do not be afraid, all this stuff bought on ebay won't ever replace time spent online. If anything the biggest out of game factor that will affect your success in the game is the time you can spend playing it.

Kaeljen Dae
Minmatar
Lunatic Asylum
Posted - 2005.11.26 02:39:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Amerame
On the top of what ? Biggest ship stupidly ganked ever ? Will dozen of billions of ISK make out of a casual gamer an elite fleet leader all a sudden ? will he become trusted by multiple corporation and take their lead ? Would you even gang in 0.0 with someone knowing he just bought 3 days ago a 30M SP char and fully fitted faction BS ?
Do not be afraid, all this stuff bought on ebay won't ever replace time spent online. If anything the biggest out of game factor that will affect your success in the game is the time you can spend playing it.


The problem is that it's no longer an outsider who joins the game with e-bay equipment. It can be you or me who can now buy GTCs and sell the code on WTS forum, legally. And that wouldn't make you or me a noob. Also: What makes you so sure that the guys you've been flying around with in your usual gang haven't done it already to get that HAS they always wanted (and 4 spare ones, should they lose the first one stupidly)?? Do you control their income methods??? A few people have outed themselves for trading their ISK for GTCs - someone's buying it, and it's certainly NOT a noob, he wouldn't know how and where if he was a noob.

Taketa De
Gallente
Seneca Federation
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.26 02:46:00 - [158]
 

While I'm basically against selling GTC's on the basis that it's too abusable if it gets out of hand (and I think it may very well) I hope that either CCP steps in or the market of supply and demand manages to regulate it to a degree that it won't be harmfull.
The possibility of converting ISK to € again is the main area that has me worried.

Anyway, right now the system started so there is a rush. If CCP doesn't do anything about it, it may be that once most customers have been served that demand ebbs off strongly and that alone may prevent abuse.
Then again that may only be optimistic thinking. ugh

Originally by: Kaeljen Dae
Personally think that in EVE, no end justifies the mean of breaking the "eve should be an isolated system" - and those that breach this premise, get punished.


If you take a moment to think about it I'm sure you'd agree that "eve should be an isolated system" is pure illusion as long as not every player has the exact same number of accounts, time to play and equivalent hardware.

Fact is that out of play has a huge influence on in game circumstances including the size of peoples wallets and their success in the game. The question is not "How do we keep eve an isolated system?" but rather "How much and in what way do we want out of game to affeect in game?".

Most people have no problem with RL time constraints affecting the game, nor do they have any problem with money affecting the game as long as it's in multiple accounts. These things are a staple of the Genre anyway so people are used to them.
From what I've been reading on the board the limit seems to be in quick transferal from € to ISK and the reaction is typically emotional and not rational. (One poster above even said that was the important part of a quote, that somebody felt strongly about this)

Of course this is quite understandable as the transfer from in game currencies to RL cash has put the ruin on other games in the past and the direction of cash to game currency has a similar feel. Also it prevents people who don't have an equal amount of cash to spend from directly competing in that area. The last part however a bit strange for me, because nobody is upset if people don't have an equivalent amount of time to compete. That is considered quite fair. Smile

The again, fairness is alway defined by how we see the rules of the game and it seems that this is a step that is "against the rules of the game" for most people even if CCP allowed it.

Anyway it's a borderline subject and I hope CCP takes some time to think about this and if this is the way they want to do things.

Drilla
Yet Another Mining Corp
Posted - 2005.11.26 04:45:00 - [159]
 

CCP wont change their stance on this issue - three reasons:

1) They make money of it so they dont care and principles are not something thats valued at CCP HQ.

2) They already admitted once in the last month or so that they were wrong about something.

3) They make money of it ...

10 Bears
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.11.26 05:54:00 - [160]
 

Freaking signed in spades

Buraken v2
Spontaneous Defenestration
Posted - 2005.11.26 06:14:00 - [161]
 

I love timecards :D:D
They make it so that i can play eve and not pay IRL money, even if its only 15 euro

LAJF IS BEJUTIFAAL :)

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2005.11.26 06:17:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: TrinnySuzanna
I cannot be arsed to spend long BORING hours hunting NPCs, running agent missions or mining. I have done all that in my first two years in this game. It simply does not interest me anymore. In my time I have made and lost many fortunes.

I play this game to have FUN and for me atm PvP is where I get that fun. Unfortunately as I am not a pirate PvP is also very expensive. I am willing to spend rl cash to fund my fun. I do not play this game to have to spend boring hours doing things that are not fun. In fact if I had to do so I would have stopped playing EVE a long time ago.

That is my choice. I harm no one with that choice apart from the people I kill. (BTW I am not a pirate - in fact I am an anti-pirate and all my wars are official Concord sanctioned wars).

In my view PvP is the only FUN element of this game.

I know that others get a great deal of FUN from doing the other things and developing their characters and good luck to them. I do not dictate to them that they should PvP and likewise they should not be worried about where I get my ISK from.




You don't deserve to PVP then. If you can't be 'bothered' to make the isk to fund your pvp, then you shouldn't be doing it anymore, or you need to find a way to make a profit while fighting. Surely with your game experience and sps you'd beable to make a profit hunting down pirates (you are anti pirate afterall), or win more than you lose in your empire wars?

Either way, your excuse for why you find buying ISK to be ok is just downright pathetic. In all honesty, you should've stopped playing EVE long ago.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2005.11.26 06:40:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Arshes Nei

Imho i would like to see a way where the stuff like 'rl money ---> billions of isk' players (like Dark Shikari's friend) get stopped, while the 'isk ---> Gametime' way stays as it is.

I.e. only allow small time selling of gametimecards(no traders announcing they have only 200 cards left so get em quick).



What, you mean like the idea in my post of CCP selling GTCs directly to that account, limiting the amount they can buy, and making it something that can only be used now and then per account?

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2005.11.26 06:50:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
What, you mean like the idea in my post of CCP selling GTCs directly to that account, limiting the amount they can buy, and making it something that can only be used now and then per account?

That won't work. If CCP accepted ISK for Game Time themselves, they'd be actually losing out on game payments. Currently, every day of gametime in eve is paid for with actual cash, be it by subscription or by someone buying a game time card. Them trading it for ISK doesn't change the fact that it was purchased from CCP and thus they don't lose out on any money. If they were to accept game money for gametime payments themselves, they would be removing ISK from the game and giving someone game time that wasnt paid for with cash.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2005.11.26 06:54:00 - [165]
 

im aware of that, but if you read my idea, you'd see the timecards would only be a rarely used thing, and made with the idea of letting you get in that extra month of play while money is tight IRL.

Honestly, if you cannot afford $15 a month for a game due to money problems, then you need to stop playing video games, and either work more often, or learn how to manage your finances.

M3ta7h3ad
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.11.26 07:36:00 - [166]
 

Signed in blood, sweat and tears.

Its is selling isk. It should be banned.

I've explained my reasoning enough in about 50 million other threads on this issue, and it comes out the same. People can use out of game resources to profit in game, and can equally profit out of game if they push the envelope a little further.

Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2005.11.26 07:56:00 - [167]
 



Been keeping an eye on the trade forums, and its disturbing to see how much ISK being hoarded by some characters through the sale of these time cards. Its quite bad how CCP doesn't see this is as a problem; how rich out of game players buy themselfs to wealth ingame.

its a vicous circle. It open up for new players to sell time cards for isk, to buy better characters for the isk they bought. It also open up for players to hoard enough isk through real world cash to aquire ingame items such as valuable bpo's which makes it a unfair playing field.
I don't mind people sell characters, because it take time to grow a good character to sell, there is no short cuts involved as with selling time cards.

No matter how much time and effort you spend playing the game, you can't compete with somone with deep pockets in real life, because they can afford to buy themselfs ahead.

Suggestion for next patch name: "EVE - A rich mans world"

Lord Frost
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2005.11.26 08:06:00 - [168]
 

I very much appreciate everyone's response here... and from what I have been gathering, those that wish to ban timecards want to because of whole integrity of the game... not for selfish reasons.

Those that wish to keep timecards sales, are basically selfish and are only thinking of themselves... such as "I get to play for free"... "I don't want to put in the time to earn isk the hard way".. and "I'm a PVPer and only wish to PVP". Sorry if the quotes are not precise, but its the truth...

.. the selfish wish to keep timecards sales for better personal gaming.

... the pure at heart and hard working players want to ban timecards to keep this game and everything about it sincere.


ChainyMcSmoke
Posted - 2005.11.26 09:09:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: ChainyMcSmoke on 26/11/2005 09:10:30
Originally by: Lord Frost
I very much appreciate everyone's response here... and from what I have been gathering, those that wish to ban timecards want to because of whole integrity of the game... not for selfish reasons.

Those that wish to keep timecards sales, are basically selfish and are only thinking of themselves... such as "I get to play for free"... "I don't want to put in the time to earn isk the hard way".. and "I'm a PVPer and only wish to PVP". Sorry if the quotes are not precise, but its the truth...

.. the selfish wish to keep timecards sales for better personal gaming.

... the pure at heart and hard working players want to ban timecards to keep this game and everything about it sincere.






exactly m8. In the end its just not [email protected]#$ing fair to those who wish to actually play the game. So what now then I suppose most of us are asking ourselves. I have more than enough means in real life to corner the market on at least a few things in eve by using out-of-game methods but the question is should I?

I for one know for a fact how much more wealthy I would be in game if I had more time to actually play the game but thats not a REASON or JUSTIFICATION for anything but an excuse for laziness. I mean how many people do you think are just going to sit idly by and watch others make billions of isk off this and not say to themselves "Hey, I want in on this as well" and before you know it an otherwise well intentioned loophole from the devs becomes the ONLY way to actually play the game.

I was blessed by coming from a very well to do family in RL and have a very good job so it wont effect me. I could by a few trillion isk worth of these things whenever. The real question is should I?

Another question is it seems that the original good intentions of the devs to bring the game to people whom might not otherwise be able to afford membership is going to in the end screw them over the most. I mean you will have the ability to play now but when everything costs 12,000% more because of inflation(and oh it will happen) why would you want to...nuff said.


wts 1 unit of bantam ....12billion isk or best offer

... the pure at heart and hard working players want to ban timecards to keep this game and everything about it sincere.

Uggs386
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.11.26 09:15:00 - [170]
 

signed.

Arshes Nei
LifeLine Solutions
Posted - 2005.11.26 09:29:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Arshes Nei

Imho i would like to see a way where the stuff like 'rl money ---> billions of isk' players (like Dark Shikari's friend) get stopped, while the 'isk ---> Gametime' way stays as it is.

I.e. only allow small time selling of gametimecards(no traders announcing they have only 200 cards left so get em quick).



What, you mean like the idea in my post of CCP selling GTCs directly to that account, limiting the amount they can buy, and making it something that can only be used now and then per account?


Actually i was talking about something like this thread But nobody is interested in real solutions. People rather scream banz0r! as we all know that is the most sensible solution to this complex problem ...

After all we dont care if we make unresonable demands, if its forbidden people will stop doing it after all.

KHEN
New Horizons
Posted - 2005.11.26 09:33:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: KHEN on 26/11/2005 09:53:33

Originally by: Lord Frost
I very much appreciate everyone's response here... and from what I have been gathering, those that wish to ban timecards want to because of whole integrity of the game... not for selfish reasons.

Those that wish to keep timecards sales, are basically selfish and are only thinking of themselves... such as "I get to play for free"... "I don't want to put in the time to earn isk the hard way".. and "I'm a PVPer and only wish to PVP". Sorry if the quotes are not precise, but its the truth...

.. the selfish wish to keep timecards sales for better personal gaming.

... the pure at heart and hard working players want to ban timecards to keep this game and everything about it sincere.




Considering jealously that some people can buy isks for ETC is a selfish attitude. You think about EVE from you small point of view to. Consider the huge size of EVE, 70000 active accounts. How many billions are created/exchanged each day ? 200, 500, 1000 ? it is an ocean of isks and 300 mil for an ETC or even 20 sales per day is a drip of water. Nobody knows like CCP what's good and what's wrong for EVE's economy, we simply can't figure it due to the lack of statistics.I consider that the ETC sales will always have a small impact on EVE's economy. What makes this thread pointless...


Arshes Nei
LifeLine Solutions
Posted - 2005.11.26 09:47:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: Arshes Nei on 26/11/2005 09:56:34
Originally by: Lord Frost
I very much appreciate everyone's response here... and from what I have been gathering, those that wish to ban timecards want to because of whole integrity of the game... not for selfish reasons.

Those that wish to keep timecards sales, are basically selfish and are only thinking of themselves... such as "I get to play for free"... "I don't want to put in the time to earn isk the hard way".. and "I'm a PVPer and only wish to PVP". Sorry if the quotes are not precise, but its the truth...

.. the selfish wish to keep timecards sales for better personal gaming.

... the pure at heart and hard working players want to ban timecards to keep this game and everything about it sincere.




LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Thats the funiest post i have read so far... Warped reality for the win. I have never used or traded a GTC, yet im for this because i know several people that buy GTCs for isk as 15$ is about a weeks share in wages in their country. They have always done this as long as i know(over a year now), and they will keep doing it.* For the simple reason its the only sensible thing to do if your in a low wages country.

Yet the people i hear complaining here most are very rich people like dark shikari and lots of people who, going after their alliance name, have access to 0.0 riches. I perfectly understand that dark shikari is rightfully worried about some isk buying idiot buying a tech 2 bpo away from him. But please dont make people like that look like selfless saints, if you are poor like me you dont care much either way. Only rich people are worried about this as the many competition talk is telling us. People think they worked hard for their money and are now afraid of other people getting money with less work. Dont get me wrong thats a valid concern, but far from being selfless.

P.S. Please explain me how this affects the integrity of the game, it has to be in such a devilish way that the gms and devs couldnt foresee it after discussing this for months. If people would actually explain the devs and gms how this will ruin the game or economy instead of making pointless sign threads, maybe you would actually reach your goal as im sure ccp dont want this game to be ruined. Idea

* Yes this GTC trading for isk exists aslong as there are GTC cards, you just never noticed. Its even much harder to track for ccp than ebaying cause no farming of isk or items for selling is involved, all they will ever see is a transaction of isk from one player to the other. No posts on ebay with stupid pictures with names not edited out or anything. Just a transaction of one player to the other, you guys tell me how ccp is going to enforce that rule.

Ccp didnt try to enforce this even before it was allowed with good reason. And if you think they will change the eula to somehow reflect this cause of a sign thread your dreaming.

MachZERO
Minmatar
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2005.11.26 09:54:00 - [174]
 


Someone please give me a REAL example of how the selling of time cards for isk has impacted your personal gameplay in eve. And I mean REAL... not some made up hypothetical bull$hit that involves e-bay and a make believe far far away reality but something that has happened to you personally in eve due to time card sells...

When a time card was sold did your ship blow up?? Did your drones turn on you?

I'm waiting....

Nothing...

Except maybe some poor guy got to play eve for a few more months while he's between jobs...

And that guy/gal that works 6 days a week can sell a time card to the guy above and enjoy gate camping in a kitted BS instead of a BC for that one day that they can play eve for more than 1 hour...

Anyone that signs this is living in a vacuum...

time cards = real income for ccp...

Which = more "yardware" and content for us...

There are ppl that play eve but have full time jobs so they only get to play eve on the weekends...

There are ppl that play eve 24/7 and either don't have jobs or are going to school so money is tight...

Naturally, the ppl that play eve 24/7 have more isk than those with jobs...

And naturally the ppl with busy full-time jobs have more RL money than the 24/7's do...

This is a way to "even" it out...

There is basically a swap of time (isk) for RL money (time-card) in a way that both parties are happy with the outcome...

And because more players = more player created content in the form of wars and other player interaction we all win in the end...

But most of you can't see past your own noses...

Definately NOT signed

And before you economic geniuses hit me with the "But inflation is gonna be crazzy!! OMG!!"

The price of all the minerals have gone down steadily since the Cold War "spike".
(3+ isk per trit anyone?? remember that? it's back to below 2 now.. and zyd is ungodly cheap as well.)

Everything in Eve except for faction gear and some of the T2 ships/modules is pegged to the value of the minerals that make them...

So where is this imaginary inflation?

Here's reality.. and you won't like it...

Time card selling hurts no one except the ignorant...

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2005.11.26 09:55:00 - [175]
 

Edited by: Nyphur on 26/11/2005 09:59:47
Originally by: KHEN
Considering jealously that some people can buy isks for ETC is a selfish attitude. You think about EVE from you small point of view to. Consider the huge size of EVE, 70000 active accounts. How many billions are created each day ? 200, 500, 1000 ? it is an ocean of isks and 300 mil for an ETC or even 20 sales per day is a drip of water. Nobody knows like CCP what's good and what's wrong in EVE's economy, we simply can't figure it due to the lack of statistics.I consider that the ETC sales will always have a small impact on EVE's economy. What makes this thread pointless...

Yeah, it's probably an insignificant amount, you're right. But you're failing to take into account that it's a few billion changing hands into one pocket, not 70,000 pockets. It's disruptive because it's grossly disruptive to a small number of people, letting them gain billions in an instant, rather than being disruptive to the whole of eve.

To make your argument hold, those billions from game time card sales would have to be spread out more across the community. To put that into perspective, 1 billion across the entire economy equates to about 14k each. THAT isn't disruptive. But 1 billion funnelling into one guy's wallet on demand just because he's rich? THAT's disrupting the economy. That guy can pretty much tip the economy in his favour whenever he feels like it.

Originally by: MachZERO

Someone please give me a REAL example of how the selling of time cards for isk has impacted your personal gameplay in eve.
Except maybe some poor guy got to play eve for a few more months while he's between jobs...

And that guy/gal that works 6 days a week can sell a time card to the guy above and enjoy gate camping in a kitted BS instead of a BC for that one day that they can play eve for more than 1 hour...


Good points but the system is there and it will and has been abused. It's not about one guy selling a game time card because he needs the isk but doesn't have the time to play the game. It's not about a guy getting to play between jobs. If it were just about those things, I'd have no problem with it. But you KNOW people abuse it and they gain BILLIONs that they don't need, putting hard working players to shame. You just can't play enough to earn 1-10 billion in a day, no matter how many accounts you run. GTC sellers can.

And an example of someone personally affects is Dark Shikari. He said he's worked hard for years for his 3Bil+ and his friend comes along in one day and tips 4 bil into his wallet selling game time cards. 4 billion he didn't earn and doesn't treat with respect. He's the kind of guy who is going to just throw a battleship away blasting concord because he's bored and he knows he can just jack some more real life money in there and buy a whole new fleet of battleships. Because he's rich.

Tomas Nuerin
Saints and Bulldozers
Posted - 2005.11.26 09:56:00 - [176]
 

Signed.

real money -> isk = Sad

Arshes Nei
LifeLine Solutions
Posted - 2005.11.26 10:10:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Nyphur

Yeah, it's probably an insignificant amount, you're right. But you're failing to take into account that it's a few billion changing hands into one pocket, not 70,000 pockets. It's disruptive because it's grossly disruptive to a small number of people, letting them gain billions in an instant, rather than being disruptive to the whole of eve.

To make your argument hold, those billions from game time card sales would have to be spread out more across the community. To put that into perspective, 1 billion across the entire economy equates to about 14k each. THAT isn't disruptive. But 1 billion funnelling into one guy's wallet on demand just because he's rich? THAT's disrupting the economy. That guy can pretty much tip the economy in his favour whenever he feels like it.


Spot right on, he got it. This actually will lead to a increase in high price products that get seldom sold like tech 2 bpos, but at the same time also in a decrease in prices of normal stuff. Why? Well cause a single player gets alot of isk to spend in a auction and several other players get less to spend on normal market.

So i say restrict the bulk selling of GTCs, either just in forum or also in game. Perhaps only giving scamming protection to casual sellers, theres lots of things that could be done.

Azeroth Uluntil
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.11.26 10:16:00 - [178]
 

Edited by: Azeroth Uluntil on 26/11/2005 10:16:38
Since when do members of eve dictate how other members of eve spend their isk? Bunch of wannabe communists, I swear.


Personally, my belief is, if you have the isk, use it.

Might as well start a thread against the Russians selling isk for money. It's a frigin industry ffs.

Oh, btw, unless you can get 40000 people to sign this thread, the GMS won't likely change the rules.(40000 is roughly half the active accounts in the game)

KHEN
New Horizons
Posted - 2005.11.26 10:21:00 - [179]
 

Edited by: KHEN on 26/11/2005 11:17:27


Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 26/11/2005 09:59:47
1 billion funnelling into one guy's wallet on demand just because he's rich? THAT's disrupting the economy. That guy can pretty much tip the economy in his favour whenever he feels like it.



The economy is already disrupted by the holders of some monopolies and rights : T2 BPO holders, CEOs of the largest alliances. It has been like this since I started and it never disrupted me to make my bucks and to enjoy EVE.

I think that the guy buying isks to corner EVE's economy is a fictive case (scarecrow) or it will so rarely occur. Most of the buyers will be n00bs bored by hours of mining.

And even somebody wants to buy enough isks to purchase a T2 BPO from an HAC or most wanted mods, his impact will not be bigger to the economy than a winner of the T2 BPO lottery : remember that the lottery is still running, and that new huge T2 BPO will be seeded !

I completely agree with Arshes Nei : this debate is driven by rich people made sick by the idea to see somebody getting more economical weight than them just by buying big amounts of isks.

and BTW : 1 Bil is nothing, 10 bil still nothing, you would need a minimal 50-100 Bil to start to hope to influence somethin'

Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2005.11.26 10:42:00 - [180]
 

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