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theRaptor
Caldari
Tactical Operations
Posted - 2005.11.25 03:40:00 - [31]
 

/signed

Not that CCP care as they are quite intent on getting money off noobs by ruining EVE for the old players.

Lord Frost
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2005.11.25 03:46:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: Lord Frost
I'm not opposed to the card option... CCP can sell as many cards as they like, when it affects the ingame environment, then it crosses the line. Basically, a noob can make enough isk to buy a t2 bpo after all the thousdands of hours we all put in to try to get one the legit way. Talk about a slap in the face.



It doesnt affect the in game environment. No additional isk is being generated by the time cards.

The isk that is changing hands was already "in play" as it has been earnt, in most cases, legitimately. For that noob to buy a t2 BPO, there has to be another player willing to give that cash up for his timecard. its not like the isk is coming out of thin air.


That's about the worst reasoning I have ever heard.

Yes, I'm sure that guy spending isk for tiemcards "earned" his isk... how did the other lad "earn" his isk? Hmmmm... selling a timecard which he bought for real cash. Is that the future of "earning" in Eve?

btw, I love the term Eve-Bay... I have to give credit to the guy with that one.



Laughing

SonOfNomad
Gallente
Brother in Arms Corp
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:01:00 - [33]
 

I hate signed threads and even im getting in on this one. I mean really they nerfed bounties to hell and back to cause a deflation in prices of things and now as time goes on more and more people are going to get in on this and DRIVE prices up for people who actually play the game in a fair way.
Its not that bad right now but like i said as more people jump in on this its only going to get worse...lets put this djin back in the bottle while we still have time......signed AGAIN...

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:07:00 - [34]
 

WTF? I go away to gorge myself senseless for a few hours and there's a million locked "sign here" threads. Are you all really that bored?

jamesw
Omniscient Order
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:13:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Lord Frost
Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: Lord Frost
I'm not opposed to the card option... CCP can sell as many cards as they like, when it affects the ingame environment, then it crosses the line. Basically, a noob can make enough isk to buy a t2 bpo after all the thousdands of hours we all put in to try to get one the legit way. Talk about a slap in the face.



It doesnt affect the in game environment. No additional isk is being generated by the time cards.

The isk that is changing hands was already "in play" as it has been earnt, in most cases, legitimately. For that noob to buy a t2 BPO, there has to be another player willing to give that cash up for his timecard. its not like the isk is coming out of thin air.


That's about the worst reasoning I have ever heard.

Yes, I'm sure that guy spending isk for tiemcards "earned" his isk... how did the other lad "earn" his isk? Hmmmm... selling a timecard which he bought for real cash. Is that the future of "earning" in Eve?

btw, I love the term Eve-Bay... I have to give credit to the guy with that one.



Laughing


I was referring you to saying it effects the "ingame environment". my point is that it does not. The isk being transferred has to be earned one way or another. CCP will get their money one way or another.

I was not making any statements about whether it should or shouldnt be done, merely pointing out the above.

Saeris Tal'Urduar
Amarr
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:15:00 - [36]
 

Someones gonna get into trouble.
If your gonna do a no content/worthless post put some thouught into it.

Like my newbie or noobie topic.
It was done out of jest but I got some serious responses. Wink
Becuase I had some 1/2 serious questions

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:15:00 - [37]
 

Hmmph.

I'll sign.

I have some personal experience with this. I've worked long and hard to make every ISK I have--and thus I value it. Though I have nearly 3 billion in the wallet atm and far more in assets, it matters to me when I spend it and lose it. If I lost 500 million right now, I could count up the days it took me to earn it.

I have a RL friend who recently bought himself like 14 gametime codes and sold them for ISK. He now has over 4 billion ISK, basically none of it earned himself. I can tell from how he acts that he doesn't really value it that much either; as he knows if he wants more, he can just sell more gametime cards.

I have this very, very strong feeling inside that this entire system is wrong on so many levels.

Soren
PAK
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:16:00 - [38]
 

The trading of isk for GTC's will keep more subscribers longer. It allows the people that want to pay for their isk to do so, and it also allows people who don't want to pay for the game anymore - but can come across isk easily - to keep playing.

win - win.

Garik Daemon


Doomheim
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:16:00 - [39]
 

Just posting this in general:

Keep it on topic, no flames, trolling.

corporal hicks
Gallente
Naughty 40
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:16:00 - [40]
 

Have to say signed this timecard crap is just a way of getting around the e-bay ban on isk, only reason CCP does not care is unlike on EBay the money is going to them, double standards FTW..





SilentBladez
THE INSURGENCY
DEFI4NT
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:17:00 - [41]
 

Quote:
[Signed]

Angus Therm0pyle
X-Fire
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:25:00 - [42]
 

omg not sign I don't wanan pay for my eve account I am still in high school and ain't got time for a job Smile

Kay Thxbye
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:30:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: jamesw
CCP will get their money one way or another.

Except that someday people feel that EVE has lost it's character and just changed too much in a negative way and so they cancel their accounts, while others who didn't care so much have already jumped to the next game.
Well, I know, at the moment it looks good for EVE, but imho it's not that difficult to loose customers and destroy a mmorpg by going into a totally wrong direction. Would not be the first time.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.11.25 04:33:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Kay Thxbye
Originally by: jamesw
CCP will get their money one way or another.

Except that someday people feel that EVE has lost it's character and just changed too much in a negative way and so they cancel their accounts

I've found that its extremely effective to take a break from EVE every once in a while.

It is, however, impossible to leave. Trying to get away from EVE is like a quark trying to pull its way out of a proton: the farther you go, the harder it pulls you back.

Malken
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2005.11.25 05:42:00 - [45]
 

i dont see the point of timecards being bought over the net for other then the use of selling them for ingame stuff to others.
if the person who wants more time on his account should use his own cash to buy the extra time directly and get put on the buyers account.

i remember something that started off E&B's downfall into the abyss of ebay and all sorts of mudslinging until it got shut down, you guessed it....gametime cards being sold for ingame items and ingame currency that then ended up on ebay.
those people selling the ingame cards in that game used their out of game wealth to gain ingame advantages.
kinda like where it seems that these gametime cards are going.

how long will it take until CCP gives all who register timecards on their accounts extra skillbonuses or something?

its with great disgust i see that it has started in this game wich i have come to love almost as much as i did E&B.
sad indeed but still not to late for CCP to take off the blinders of past mistakes done in other games from their eyes and see that it is indeed making EvE to start rotting from inside.

Stephen HB
Mystical Knights
Malum Exuro
Posted - 2005.11.25 05:49:00 - [46]
 

/signage

Everyone knows that people WILL find a way to buy ISK with RL cash, but to pave the way with bright shining "$$ for ISK here" signs a.k.a. GTC for ISK is just silly.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2005.11.25 05:56:00 - [47]
 

/signed


The big arguements people give for timecards are bogus, and the day they lose out on an item, bpo, whatever, because of someone who bought ISK, they're going to change their minds really fast and after the fact, just like so many others.

Dao 2
Thenta-Makur
Posted - 2005.11.25 06:01:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Dao 2 on 25/11/2005 06:03:35
im for it cause i dont really care and its different then selling isk on ebay, but theres also the 'problem' of when ccp came out with timecodes they said "you could do whatever u want with them, give them to friends or family, great gifts" wahtever (not an exact qoute). So theyd be kinda contradicting themselves :|

but thing is ccp is the one that gives out the timecodes, so ppl give RL cash for timecodes to ccp ;p :|

edit: u wont be getting an accurate number anyway because A LOT of ppl don't read the forums, and im sure some of them would agree with u. Some people don't even know u can buy them as it is

Stokerpoons
Gallente
CAPP Logistics
Posted - 2005.11.25 06:15:00 - [49]
 

For what it's worth...

Signed!

System God
Caldari
Exotic Matter
The Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2005.11.25 06:16:00 - [50]
 

sighed

no need for it

Lord Frost
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2005.11.25 06:26:00 - [51]
 

There has to be alternatives. You have to wonder now if many isk rich players are opening 2nd or 3rd accounts planning on paying for them with ingame isk... or even worse, rich corps making platoons of extra accounts and players for battle and production.

Are timecards a huge profit for CCP? Or, is it even much of a profit for them at all? Either way, you have to believe the company was doing well before GTCs came about. After all they have survived this long and Eve's numbers continue to grow.

I just can't see anything good for the game coming out of this. Whats next? Will I be able to sell my mint condition Sammy Sosa rookie card for 10bil?




Dao 2
Thenta-Makur
Posted - 2005.11.25 06:47:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Lord Frost
There has to be alternatives. You have to wonder now if many isk rich players are opening 2nd or 3rd accounts planning on paying for them with ingame isk... or even worse, rich corps making platoons of extra accounts and players for battle and production.

Are timecards a huge profit for CCP? Or, is it even much of a profit for them at all? Either way, you have to believe the company was doing well before GTCs came about. After all they have survived this long and Eve's numbers continue to grow.

I just can't see anything good for the game coming out of this. Whats next? Will I be able to sell my mint condition Sammy Sosa rookie card for 10bil?






i also dont see anything bad coming out of it...

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2005.11.25 06:56:00 - [53]
 

If I could click my fingers and ban this, I would. But then again, I'd never have allowed the equivalents of selling characters. This does all boil down to people getting an in game reward for spending cash and while they can do that running multiple accounts, these two things are things they can do without any effort.

Meridius
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.25 07:03:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Hmmph.

I'll sign.

I have some personal experience with this. I've worked long and hard to make every ISK I have--and thus I value it. Though I have nearly 3 billion in the wallet atm and far more in assets, it matters to me when I spend it and lose it. If I lost 500 million right now, I could count up the days it took me to earn it.

I have a RL friend who recently bought himself like 14 gametime codes and sold them for ISK. He now has over 4 billion ISK, basically none of it earned himself. I can tell from how he acts that he doesn't really value it that much either; as he knows if he wants more, he can just sell more gametime cards.

I have this very, very strong feeling inside that this entire system is wrong on so many levels.


^ Sums it up pretty damn good.

PS. your friend is lameSmile

ChainyMcSmoke
Posted - 2005.11.25 09:50:00 - [55]
 

so [email protected]#[email protected]#$ing signed. And has anyone noticed how quickly this got buried under bs alt posts and a [email protected]# load of forum necromancy.Back to the top baby......

Hellspawn666
Minmatar
Emo Rangers
Electric Monkey Overlords
Posted - 2005.11.25 09:55:00 - [56]
 

signed i never thought i would see myself posting this kind of message on this forum, but it just cant go on i know its nice to not pay any RL money for ure eve gamining but these people who are selling mass amounts of game cards are making a ****e load of isk for doing no griding in game work or getting lucky with the research pit. Dont remove money people have already recieved for it but plus make it covered under EULA its so clearly against the whole point ccp originally made that they dont want RL money to indicate how far you could make it in game. This isnt China.

Hellspawn666
Minmatar
Emo Rangers
Electric Monkey Overlords
Posted - 2005.11.25 09:57:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Hmmph.

I'll sign.

I have some personal experience with this. I've worked long and hard to make every ISK I have--and thus I value it. Though I have nearly 3 billion in the wallet atm and far more in assets, it matters to me when I spend it and lose it. If I lost 500 million right now, I could count up the days it took me to earn it.

I have a RL friend who recently bought himself like 14 gametime codes and sold them for ISK. He now has over 4 billion ISK, basically none of it earned himself. I can tell from how he acts that he doesn't really value it that much either; as he knows if he wants more, he can just sell more gametime cards.

I have this very, very strong feeling inside that this entire system is wrong on so many levels.


^ Sums it up pretty damn good.

PS. your friend is lameSmile


Although how much he values the isk cant really be argued since people with cap recharger 2 bpos can get hte isk back fairly easy but the difference is the Gods of CCP research pool decided that not his bank ballance.

LoxyRider
Posted - 2005.11.25 10:04:00 - [58]
 

Definatly signed.

I dont see why people with real cash to waste should be able to instantly become rich in a game where everyone else has worked for it.

CCP i know will have a hard time reversing a policy decision, however i hope they see all the threads on the sell forum and act. Stop this now before it gets even worse.

Willo Vasquez
Gallente
Raptus Regaliter
Pride - Honor - Duty
Posted - 2005.11.25 10:05:00 - [59]
 

signed.

TrinnySuzanna
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.11.25 10:19:00 - [60]
 

NOT SIGNED - and I will explain why.

I am posting with an alt as I cannot be arsed to deal with the grief my main will get for being HONEST.

I am a veteran of EVE. I started on Day 1. I play EVE to PvP. That is the only value I get in this game.

I cannot be arsed to spend long BORING hours hunting NPCs, running agent missions or mining. I have done all that in my first two years in this game. It simply does not interest me anymore. In my time I have made and lost many fortunes.

I play this game to have FUN and for me atm PvP is where I get that fun. Unfortunately as I am not a pirate PvP is also very expensive. I am willing to spend rl cash to fund my fun. I do not play this game to have to spend boring hours doing things that are not fun. In fact if I had to do so I would have stopped playing EVE a long time ago.

That is my choice. I harm no one with that choice apart from the people I kill. (BTW I am not a pirate - in fact I am an anti-pirate and all my wars are official Concord sanctioned wars).

In my view PvP is the only FUN element of this game.

I know that others get a great deal of FUN from doing the other things and developing their characters and good luck to them. I do not dictate to them that they should PvP and likewise they should not be worried about where I get my ISK from.



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