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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:20:00 - [1]

Edited by: Saruu on 07/08/2003 08:30:36
I would like to make a statement about the mining laser everyone is talking about.

I am the one that found it, I am the one that sold it to TTI. I will also have to state that this message is written by my main character, the character which was involved with this event.

The story about how my character found this laser is true. A Jovian character interacted with me. I am used to roleplaying and had a nice conversation with the Jovian. I offered my services and was turned down. No problem I thought, he is just looking around and has no time to get further into the story. He flew up next to me, bumped me even with his Wraith as we continued roleplaying.

After he left, I returned to the station with about 400 Hedge. I couldn't mine anymore as I was very excited about meeting an actual Jovian. After sitting there about 3 minutes, the Jovian contacted me again. He said "I've left a cargo container outside the station for you." I pulled out quickly and looked inside the container. There lay the infamous laser along with several other items yet to be disclosed.

At first I didn't know the value of the laser. All I knew was that it was a very good mining laser. When I checked the Nexus database, I discovered that I had a very very very good mining laser. I still had no idea what to do with it, or how much it might be worth.

I was mining far away from station and could not check on the laser for several days. You see I had it in a secure container inside my hanger. In retrospect, I wish I had not done that as I was very anxious to check on it, I didn't know it would not be listed under assets while in a container. Live and learn.

After returning to my hanger after 3 days, I found the laser still there. I made my desision then to contact one of the largest, most well known corp, to try and make a deal. I contacted TTI because I figured, if anyone can give me what I want, these guys can. I spoke with the CEO of TTI who was very nice, and offered me 55 million isk. I told him "I'm not really interested in the money" and we agreed upon an alternative arrangement. The deal was aggreed on and I quickly thought I had sold too cheap. I'm not a very good business man, I barely sc**** by in this game. Anyway, the deal was done.

Myself and my CEO flew to a nice safe system and the trade was completed. I have to say, I was nervous as hell flying there. I've never had any dealings with TTI and was not sure if this was a trap. If was not of course, the deal was completed in a very business-like manner.

That is my story, believe it or not.

I'd like to say that TTI has been very upstanding by not releasing my name, I have enough problems right now with the system I'm in. They respected my wishes and I appreciate that.

I didn't want any notoriety and still don't. All I wanted was something that would help me in the game. I didn't even think of filing a petition about it, or various other things that have been suggested. Afterall, I was GIVEN this item by a Jovian. I had no idea who he was or why he gave the items to me. I would like to think I it was because I'm a good role player, but unfortunately I have friends in a different game who would laugh at that, but I try.

I would also like to state that removing this item is wrong, if that is what has happened. TTI was in no way at fault here, nor was I. I made the deal in good faith, as did TTI. But, if the item was removed from TTI, It should be returned, or CCP should refund TTI the cost of the deal they made with me. That is my opinion.

Thank you Ragnar and all of the members of TTI that knew what was going on. I appreciate your honor and integrity.

In closing, I would like to ask everyone who might read this: "What would you have done?"

Posted - 2003.08.07 08:26:00 - [2]

This would never have happened if Campion was still running around - cracking whips and pulling strings ... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2003.08.07 08:28:00 - [3]

I would have kept everything for my self and used them.

Freddy Krueger
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2003.08.07 08:34:00 - [4]

All of what you have read in the above statement by Saruu is correct. I am CEO of the said corporation that Saruu is a director of. After waiting for two days, to make sure that the said laser would not be removed as a one day wonder, Saruu approached probably the only corp that could fully utilise said equipment, plus of course pay the finders fee that we required !!

Both Saruu and TTI have acted in a manner that you would expect from men of honour. All of the griefers out there that are critising TTI for their actions in this are simply looking at the small picture. Would you all prefer that new exciting equipment simply magically appears on the markets in the various regions; or like myself and fellow members, would you like a good dollop of roleplay with your breakfast.The thought of all new exotic equipment simply appearing out of nowhere onto the various markets would not be correct.

I hope both my post and Saruus' clear this matter once and for all. Make no bones about this, TTI acted in good faith and has done nothing wrong, apart from not paying us enough !! Have a nice day.

Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.07 08:35:00 - [5]

I think ppl are also interested in the name of that Jovian

Posted - 2003.08.07 08:36:00 - [6]

i would of tried to trade it for a raven bp

Posted - 2003.08.07 08:47:00 - [7]

Something is really wrong with this picture.

You claim you were contacted by a role playing GM, yet the Dev chat log has a GM or developer stating it was accidently lost when a GM ship blew up.

In my opinion this can only be settled by a representative of CCP and disclosing logs which show what really happened.

You claiming that you were contacted by a role playing GM is not doing the reputation of the Game Masters employed by CCP any good, either you are lying or CCP is lying, that is what it boils down to. The 2 stories don't match and it's obvious that a huge part of the community is angry about this unfortunate incident.

To answer your question "What would I have done ?":

I would first check the events forum on this "official" website looking for possible clues to Jovians spreading high tech equipment.

Then I would check the missions forum to see if anybody else ever encountered such a item or person contacting them.

If those 2 forums would not give me enough piece of mind to just accept and use or sell the item in game then I would do a petition to get some answers about the validity of this person contacting me with high tech items.

Sadly all these rumours and discussions and conflicting stories did alot of damage to the reputation of both TTi and the people working at CCP in Iceland and I hope this will not damage the community too much.

CCP's GM's allready have a bad reputation for a stunt they pulled some time ago by warping MoO to the other end of EVE while they had no defensive measures on their ships and there's offcourse the incident of GM's attacking MoO in Battleships.

To the best of my memory, CCP never made a statement about those incidents and that costs them alot of credit with their customers. I am all for roleplay gaming but if it's done by official staff, with all the tech levels at their disposal by simply pressing a button like "Spawn Jovian Battleship with a dozen tech level 5 lasers" then there has to be an explanation of why they did that.

CCP has to come forward to clear this up and show, through logs, what really happened or alot of people will remain upset and will only grow more frustrated with EVE, their developers and their support staff.

That's my view on it, people are upset and will only get more upset if the 2 stories don't match and, sad as it is, people do quit games because of incidents such as this one.

Nicholas Marshal
Lisa Needs Braces
Posted - 2003.08.07 08:50:00 - [8]

Interesting story.

Posted - 2003.08.07 08:50:00 - [9]

The Tech 5 mining laser was indeed his, he sold it to tti...

Saruu isnt the only person that got a hold of that laser . . .

preety sure TTi will confirm with pubicly, no reason for saruu to post and lie.

soon enuff everything will be revealed

Posted - 2003.08.07 08:53:00 - [10]


It was a mining laser, not a uber-gun. Can we move on please? lets bury this story now.

Radio Free Albemuth
Posted - 2003.08.07 08:59:00 - [11]

Edited by: Endyl on 07/08/2003 09:02:00
On the other side, I would be curious to know how people want to see new technologies introduced into the game.

I was not in the complaining bunch against what happened for the simple reason I tought it was nearly normal (even if a tech level 2 mining laser would be far enough as a first shot, jumping direct to tech level 5 seemed a bit overboard), they are the most successfull corp at this time, and I am used to EQ where the most powerfull guild where discovering everything before everyone else, I am used on reading on the boards people accusing Verant of helping Furor/Tigole to complete the high end quests (the reality is that they where HELPING TO DEBUG the clumsy quests) and that's more or less the way it should be.

It's opportunism, you meet a Jovian ship, you roleplay with him, and finally you find a ship carcass floating in space, ooh nice some mega uber mining lasers in them, then why not ? That could have happened to YOU.

Jade & Raghnar even made some very nice RP stories around it, dunno how you could see it happening a better way, they could have just writen "Yada we ownz0r your a$$ n0w we got the Ub@h m1ning lazerz0r", or just write nothing and get advantages from it, but no, they didn't ignore the community, they wrote a nice RP story, and for this I respect whatever the outcome will be.

The Scope
Posted - 2003.08.07 09:01:00 - [12]

If this story about the Jove encounter is true, as both CCP and the players involved have stated, then it is clearly the CCP employees fault that roleplayed the Jove, if they were acting on their own as implied by the dev chats.

Both the general playerbase and CCP seem to agree that a tech 5 item should not be handed out when tech 2 items have not even been fully implemented.

It would be beneficial for setting the Eve community to rest, to know who the CCP employee was, and what the consequences of their renegade actions will be, if any, but game companies traditionally don't discuss in house reprimands, which tends to leave players believing that the fix is in.

I highly doubt CCP will step up to the plate and air their dirty laundry for the good of the community.

Posted - 2003.08.07 09:03:00 - [13]


It was a mining laser, not a uber-gun. Can we move on please? lets bury this story now.

That's not the point, the point is that Saruu claims it was given to him by a Roleplaying GM and the GM's claim in the devchat that it was accidently lost when a GM ship exploded.

Conflicting stories, it hurts the reputation of the GM's and all parties involved.

Radio Free Albemuth
Posted - 2003.08.07 09:05:00 - [14]

>It would be beneficial for setting the Eve
>community to rest, to know who the CCP
>employee was, and what the consequences of
>their renegade actions will be, if any, but
>game companies traditionally don't discuss in
>house reprimands, which tends to leave players
>believing that the fix is in.

Not thanks I don't want to know, I trust CCP for taking care of things and correct the shot.

Witch hunts and public executions has been banned long ago in all civilised countries.

Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.08.07 09:08:00 - [15]

I'm pretty sure CCP will take care of things, and those lasere will be deleted or removed as they have said.

The Scope
Posted - 2003.08.07 09:17:00 - [16]

Yet the citizens of these so called civilized countries butcher and abuse each other daily.

Public executions are a good deterent to crime, and provide entertainment value as well.Twisted Evil

Yatar Kindoki
Posted - 2003.08.07 09:17:00 - [17]

When I look purely at the RPing part, I have no problem with this, if that's what happened. But the two stories are indeed still conflicting, I want to know which one is true :)

Raven Cartel
Posted - 2003.08.07 09:21:00 - [18]

Edited by: Daan on 07/08/2003 09:22:21
If it was part of the storyline/content/rp-blabla, WHY A TECH LVL5? :/

I mean: they could just start with lvl2.. Shocked

Athule Snanm
Rien Ici
Posted - 2003.08.07 09:26:00 - [19]

If those 2 forums would not give me enough piece of mind to just accept and use or sell the item in game then I would do a petition to get some answers about the validity of this person contacting me with high tech items.

Really? If someone came to me in the game with a Jovian character and offered me high tech equipment the last thing I'd do is petition. If the server went down and I reconnected to find my hangar of miner Is converted to them then I would. I wonder how many people petitioned when they found tech 2 items (which are actually tech 1 with the wrong description) or for that matter huge numbers of harvesters - not many I bet.

If someone comes up with something in a non-exploit type manner, as the above story indicates, then you have to assume that it is for-real and part of the game or you'd be petitioning about every single little thing going. Personally I'm glad it turned out to be a mistake rather than the galaxy being flooded with tech 5 mining lasers, and the whole thing is highly embarrassing to all involved BUT there is only one person in the wrong - the GM who:

1. Equipped it in tranquility for no apparent reason at all
2. Either dropped it or got blown up
3. Didn't check to find where all the items had gone properly

So it's a nonesense to make it out to be some huge hacker plot or something.

Johnson McCrae
Posted - 2003.08.07 09:32:00 - [20]

According to the CSM logs, it was a ship who's default loadout contained the laser.

How it got destroyed for this guy to loot is anybodies guess. But the Tech 5 items are a ways off from going live.

Item deleted. Sorry Charley, you no get uber toys yet. Wink

Luther Pendragon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.08.07 09:37:00 - [21]

There lay the infamous laser along with several other items yet to be disclosed.

Cool, now disclose the other items :p

If it was an dev sponsored RP story, a tech 5 laser wasnt intended to be included. Just default standard eq on a jove ship which nobody paid any attention to.

Homo Erectus
The Initiative.
Posted - 2003.08.07 09:51:00 - [22]

if this story is true, then thats fine with me. we need mroe GM's running around in jovian vessels, it adds to the game.

better yet. ccp stop being dolts and finish the beta. put jove crap into the game.

The Littlest Hobos
Posted - 2003.08.07 10:06:00 - [23]

in my opinion it just adds to the game.....

A nice bit of roleplay + the chance it could happen to you if you explore.

The item is only 1 laser, so it can be destroyed or stolen or sold etc (not manufactured) and therefore allows more events based round it.

One offs like this are good for the game if you ask me. Its opportunity for players to make stuff happen..... (esp as the laser initially WASNT in the hands of a huge corp...its bad if GMs give stuff to them...but if players sell to

Anyway thats my tuppence into the ring

Jim Raynor
Bad Kitty Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2003.08.07 10:16:00 - [24]

Give a pirate corp a tech5 weapon and watch the pitchforks and torches light up. You wouldn't find much added roleplay value with that. :)

Selectus Pravus Lupus
Posted - 2003.08.07 10:52:00 - [25]

Edited by: Jeffor on 07/08/2003 10:52:41
If/when Ragnar looses the mining laser you Saruu should give him a refund for marketing "hot" goods, no one else!

Posted - 2003.08.07 11:04:00 - [26]

... and all that story happened 2 months ago ?

Because there are screenshots that show that laser and a news page from 13.06.2003 ( A player already stated that 10 lasers were available. You said that "other" items were available too.

Now this whole story is becoming more interesting by the hour.

Posted - 2003.08.07 11:09:00 - [27]

If/when Ragnar looses the mining laser you Saruu should give him a refund for marketing "hot" goods, no one else!


Buy a stolen car, have it taken away from you. You can ask for the money back from the thief you bought it from but you have no legal backing in doing so unless you have a receipt and all legal documents filled out.

Buy dodgy stuff and get burned. Personally I might have sold it had I gotten my hands on a Nibelung, or I would just have mined like a mad man for me and my corp.

I would very likely not have advertised it's existence or next time my next mining session could have been rudely interrupted by a fleet of hungry battleships.

colla tidet
Posted - 2003.08.07 11:16:00 - [28]

Once again i am AMAZED at the human capacity for UNDERSTANDING...

The knowledge of said stuff, SHOULD have been a bigger mystery than the Jimmy Hoffa missing person's case.ShockedExclamationQuestionSad

Posted - 2003.08.07 11:23:00 - [29]

I personally fail to see why it is a big deal. Even if it is not deleted, there cant be many of them, and it is only a mining laser. I could see it if it were a Mega Uber weapon of some sort, but a mining laser is no big deal.
One corp, having one laser is not gonna give them a big enuff advantage to matter.

Freddy Krueger
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2003.08.07 11:28:00 - [30]

Well, I am a little bemused by the majority of the responses Saruu has gained from his honest a/c of the way the mining laser was aquired.

You are either a believer of this a/c or not. But consider one glaring point: we gained one laser, not a handful, but one. To all of those that state you would of mined like buggery, good on you. But, myself and fellow corp members do not have the resources to guard a mining indi with several battleships whilst it fills it's hold. Better in my opinion to get a rather gracious finders fee, and pass said item to a corp with maximum resources, energy, and more importantly organisation. Look at it this way; perhaps when reverse engineering finally rears it's ugly head, we can all benefit from a BP copy of said item. I doubt this will happen, as the bleeding liberials amongst us would have this item removed from the game.

With regards to the Jovian character this item was gained from; myself, Saruu and indeed the CEO of TTI know the identity. But linching went out with the persecution of witches. Let this matter lie, and hope you may all be as fortunate in your endeavours whilst in the Universe we call Eve. Have a nice day.

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