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WilfredTheSmart
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.11.03 08:36:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: WilfredTheSmart on 03/11/2005 08:56:34
Edited by: WilfredTheSmart on 03/11/2005 08:50:03
Last night JF sent a small patrol out toward Ec-. It was made up of three pilots in a Rax a BB and Stilleto.

We headed to l-t and noticed a large group of hostiles in the system. Airing on the side of caution we headed back to X-7 and hugged the gate there. After a few minutes we headed back to L-t. Just as we jumped through 2 Octavian Vangaurd indies landed on the gate and jumped through. Needless to say we followed. Unfortunatly I was not fitted with an mwd so my progress back to the gate was hampered. However the other two had no such problems.

Our 2 pilots engaged the 2 Octavian Indies and then poof like magic they wee gone.

I had just back through the gate and then proceeed to the station to fit for probes. This operation was hampered by other hostiles entering and engaging our pilots but thats another story.

THe point here is the logging

I was once accused of logging during the CVA war but in actual fact my mainboard was on its way out and my eve connection was not too stable.

Now if There was one pilot that vanished I'd give him/her the befefit of the doubt but 2 hmmmm.

I have a few questions

Is this honourable behaviour becoming of the so called "upstanding Razor alliance"?

Is the logout timer working?

If they had wcs why did they need to log?

[This is not inteded to Flame - I have not named any pilots - but please Razor tell your pilots if they are to maintain any respect within the eve community and let your pilots know that this "is not the the done thing".

Warping to a SS and logging fine. Warping to a station and logging fine. staying in a staion all night fine. Gate camping all night fine. But logging, Hmmmmm

Its like wearing Jeans and a t-shirt on the Golf Course. Its just "not the done thing"]

Wilf


moved by eris from Corp.Summit

ChefAce
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.11.03 09:08:00 - [2]
 

Smells like flamebait.

Sounds like flamebait.

Looks like flamebait.

It must be flamebait.

It doesn't matter wether or not you name the pilots involved as you have already named the corporation which they belong to.

In effect you have just flamed/belittled their whole corporation.

It wouldn't have been so bad if you had actually named the pilots involved, even though it would still have been flamebait.

Regards,
Chef

Kusotarre
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 09:27:00 - [3]
 

Poof like magic?

That doesn't happen.

Rhodry Amarrian
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.11.03 09:32:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Rhodry Amarrian on 03/11/2005 09:33:27
Originally by: Kusotarre
Poof like magic?

That doesn't happen.


It does. If you log whilst jumping there is no log out timer iirc and so it does sound as though they logged (or suffered a very convenient ctd) whilst jumping.


Anyway, first post it right, this is flamebait and will be locked in a second.

Liquid General
Caldari
Vale Tudo.
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 09:39:00 - [5]
 

/me yawns

So when is Jericho Fraction going to stop camping their own station YARRRR!!

SlightlyMad
Caldari
High Voltage Industries
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 09:58:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: SlightlyMad on 03/11/2005 09:59:55
Originally by: WilfredTheNotSoSmart


We headed to l-t and noticed a large group of hostiles in the system. Airing on the side of caution we headed back to X-7 and hugged the gate there. After a few minutes we headed back to L-t. Just as we jumped through 2 Octavian Vangaurd indies landed on the gate and jumped through. Needless to say we followed. Unfortunatly I was not fitted with an mwd so my progress back to the gate was hampered. However the other two had no such problems.



Bummer about the MWD thing there buddy. Otherwise, I must say it was a really actionfilled event.

Originally by: WilfredTheNotSoSmart

Our 2 pilots engaged the 2 Octavian Indies and then poof like magic they wee gone.

I had just back through the gate and then proceeed to the station to fit for probes. This operation was hampered by other hostiles entering and engaging our pilots but thats another story.



wow, more people attacking you? Seems like you guys are really thick in the action!

Originally by: WilfredTheNotSoSmart

I was once accused of logging during the CVA war but in actual fact my mainboard was on its way out and my eve connection was not too stable.



Ohh man.. sorry to hear that. That must have left som bad scars Confused

Originally by: WilfredTheNotSoSmart

Now if There was one pilot that vanished I'd give him/her the befefit of the doubt but 2 hmmmm.

I have a few questions

Is this honourable behaviour becoming of the so called "upstanding Razor alliance"?

Is the logout timer working?

If they had wcs why did they need to log?



Aight! Indeed. Valid questions.. this is a real mystery! I'm as flabbergasted as any. What happened here really?

Originally by: WilfredNotSoSmart

This is not inteded to Flame - I have not named any pilots - but please Razor tell your pilots if they are to maintain any respect within the eve community and let your pilots know that this "is not the the done thing".

Warping to a SS and logging fine. Warping to a station and logging fine. staying in a staion all night fine. Gate camping all night fine. But logging, Hmmmmm

Its like wearing Jeans and a t-shirt on the Golf Course. Its just "not the done thing"

Wilf


Agreed. I will personally find these freaks within our ranks. I mean, as you say, if we are to have any "respect within the EVE community" we can't have these dodgy hauler pilots instajumping all over 0.0 and then just vanishing like *poof* (both at the same time) when you line up for the kill. Its bad rep and don't look good on a t-shirt. I'm saddened and upset that we have these kind of people within our ranks!

However, I think you guys would have greater success of getting a fight and not having people vanishing like *poof* if you attacked something with guns on it. A bit more risk involved though as we can see here

But once again Jericho Fraction has turned stones and let the real dirt in EVE surface. For all to see. Great work! Let it be publicly known that Razor Alliance had two haulers that mysteriously vanished whilst being chased. As an eyewitness reported: "poof like magic they wee gone".

Can we get a followup on this please?

Redwolf
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 10:40:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: WilfredTheSmart

I was once accused of logging during the CVA war but in actual fact my mainboard was on its way out and my eve connection was not too stable.


Laughing

also IBTL trolling..... got a problem petition, stop wasting my bandwidth Razz

Cyleth
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 10:50:00 - [8]
 

Rumors has it that there was David Copperfield assisting Razor pilots.

BlackRain
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.11.03 11:02:00 - [9]
 

G'damn. I guess they sent the wrong David by mistake - Should've been Hasselhoff. Our bad, sorry. :\

Mallik Hendrake
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.11.03 11:31:00 - [10]
 

Maybe they jumped, doubleclicked in space and cloaked. lollerskates, indie with a cloak? noe.

Karmae
Caldari
Morbid Obssesion
Indecisive Certainty
Posted - 2005.11.03 11:49:00 - [11]
 

Much more worrying is the fact that two pilots were flying indies!
Let it be known that carebearing is NOT acceptable in razor. Anyone found in possesion of a hauler will be dragged over hot coals and ordered to tackle assault frigates with ibis's and velators for the remainder of there career.

Honestly, what were they thinking? There isn't anything worth hauling in Pure Blind anyway Very Happy Except maybe some soil from the Mordu's agent.

Invisible Touch
Caldari
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 11:50:00 - [12]
 

So, to recap, JF made this thread to accuse RAZOR for 2 industrials that where somewhat "engaged" and then cloaked and logged off...

I like the "poof like magic they wee gone" part.

Oh and they have a problem with jeans and a t-shirt also. Hmmm...

On a sidenote it was an interesting read, without too much philosophy.Smile

ParMizaN
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
Posted - 2005.11.03 12:21:00 - [13]
 

What, no public apology? logging is one of the most dishonourable things to do, and you are verbaly assaulting the man because of your allies ignorance? Shame...

Kusotarre
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 12:25:00 - [14]
 

lol, this shouldn't be locked, it's hilarious Very Happy

The whole thing is obviously a lie, and I can tell you all why.

Razor operates in 5ZXX-K as a base of operations. Any hauling we are doing is going to be to and from there, with empire space in Saranen or Torrinos. When we head either way through L-T, we use only the R6 gate or the O-N gate. Going in to X-7 adds more and much longer jumps.

The only reason a hauler would ever go into X-7 from L-T is as bait, or set up as a ExclamationExclamationBattle BadgerExclamationExclamation (But not Battle Bestowers, they're for noobs)

Once again, Jericho can't affect anything in space, so they try to come on GalNet for a fight.

Admiral HashBlock
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.11.03 12:27:00 - [15]
 

Razor logging?
No way!
No wait....

thoth foc
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2005.11.03 13:30:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Kusotarre
Poof like magic?

That doesn't happen.


actually it does.. a PA BS did it on me last week..

j0rz
Gallente
Dark Entropy
Apocalyptica.
Posted - 2005.11.03 13:39:00 - [17]
 

flaimbait, yet another useless post

Dracorimus
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2005.11.03 13:40:00 - [18]
 

Meh, I had the same, Wuagwan in his blaster eagle came at my prophecy, he logged at 78% structure then came back on docked, repaird and brought a m8 in a moa to jam me...but ye happens all to frequently for my taste

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 14:13:00 - [19]
 

I would think this is a blatant lie. They have an agenda to try and smear Razor. Gl wilfred.

Dave PSI
Minmatar
Haendlergilde
Gilde Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 15:06:00 - [20]
 

very useless post, isnt it?

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.11.03 15:23:00 - [21]
 

These things happen to be honest. People log all the time and given they'd have been completely toast if they hadn't I can't really find it in my heart to blame them too much. Sure its lame, but I guess its lamer with a combat ship than it is with an indy. Speaking personally I find it much much much more annoying when I'm killing a battleship and it logs and magically avoids my scrambler to warp off somewhere. Thats a bug I hope gets fixed soon.

WilfredTheSmart
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.11.03 15:28:00 - [22]
 

Right a few issues to clear up

a) Not a JF Propaganda campaign - a personal thing

b) I have nothing against Jeans and t-shirts - I am wearing those right now at work. My point was that due to Golf Ettiquette you dont wear Jeans/t-shirt. Just like tennis pros dont turn up at wimbeldon in cycling gear. Or test cricket players dont wear a Joey the clown oufits.

c) I was once accused of this which casued a storm and soured relationships with the CVA as a result. (I eventually did find my problem - I needed a new board and processor) Not that we need to sour relationships with Razor any more than the current state of affairs.

d) It is the Truth (No lies) and its Nothing personal - it just happened to be Razor pilots. Maybe they were setting up a honey trap but found us there already. I dont know. All I know is one was engaged and both suddendly left local. Make your own minds up.

e) I was appealing to razor and others (who i am sure are decent blokes/gals) to convey that the practise of logging is undesirable and an exapmle of poor etiquette and should be frowned upon.

My whole point here is that this practice (who ever does does it)cant continue.

Why ?

Ans: If it continues to happen CCP will just leave people where they logged off. This is not fair to people that have genuine disconnection problems. For example I Crash regularily in busy systems such as Jita (or Yualai in the old days). But in 0.0 I am fine uneless the data load is very big.


Wilf

Ps I dont normally forum ***** or attack peoples char but Its something that does annoy me.

"while some are oppressed no one is free"


Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.11.03 15:32:00 - [23]
 


Yah its an honest point to make Wilf I'm not getting at you, I'm just kinda laughing at a lot of the hypocrisy of people saying "omg we never log" - I've seen it happen so many times I've lost count and I've never done it but then again, I always fly combat ships or disposal indies I don't care about. Logging is sucky and lame, but I can kinda understand some new players moving their wealth about in 0.0 being tempted to log to escape certain death. Maybe they do need a little more education (or escorts) from their alliance mates?

Just a thought.

Amthrianius
Gallente
Keiretsu
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.11.03 15:43:00 - [24]
 

A Pa guy also did this, just petition and they get the warning/ban sticks Cool

WilfredTheSmart
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.11.03 15:44:00 - [25]
 

Well Jas if you cant afford to lose a ship dont bring it to 0.0.

Normally indies have an escort - if you cant afford to lose your cargo dont be lazy and bring in a small ship many times.

I made my early isk trading in pirate infested areas of lonetrek. Never once lost an indy Smile Mind I HAve lost lots of other ships - but no point complaining cas no one is going to listen (or look in the case of eve forums).

Wilf

"while some are opressed no one is Free"

The Cosmopolite
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.11.03 15:45:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Fred0
I would think this is a blatant lie. They have an agenda to try and smear Razor. Gl wilfred.


I don't know what it is.

What I do know is that it is not a sanctioned Jericho Fraction post.

This one is.

RAZOR: in IC forums we have an IC agenda - which you are free to think of in any terms you choose.

This is not an IC forum so I will state we have no OOC agenda to 'smear' RAZOR. Please stop saying this all the time, Fred0, it is not true.

Wilf: you really need to consult Directors before posting something like that in a Corporation-oriented forum like this one. This is not a personal forum - things posted here reflect on JF.

At this point in time, Jericho Fraction repudiates the OP post and gives it no credence as we as a corporation know nothing about it.

It will not be revisited at any future point.

As usual, JF individuals can say what they wish, as we are a free-speech corporation.

I'm asking, as Voice of the Freecaptains, for JF pilots to consider not posting in this thread any more.

The Cosmopolite

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 16:07:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Fred0 on 03/11/2005 16:08:05
omg i suck, doublepost

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2005.11.03 16:08:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite
I don't know what it is.

What I do know is that it is not a sanctioned Jericho Fraction post.

This one is.

RAZOR: in IC forums we have an IC agenda - which you are free to think of in any terms you choose.

This is not an IC forum so I will state we have no OOC agenda to 'smear' RAZOR. Please stop saying this all the time, Fred0, it is not true.


This was posted in the IC part of the forums to begin with (Corporation and Alliances summit). It was first locked then moved by mods. Therefore I think it was perfectly ok to take it as one part of your ongoing IC smear campaign Wink

EDIT: Quote tags fecked me up

Leno
Caldari
Turbulent
Anarchy Empire
Posted - 2005.11.03 17:22:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Kusotarre
lol, this shouldn't be locked, it's hilarious Very Happy

The whole thing is obviously a lie, and I can tell you all why.

Razor operates in 5ZXX-K as a base of operations. Any hauling we are doing is going to be to and from there, with empire space in Saranen or Torrinos. When we head either way through L-T, we use only the R6 gate or the O-N gate. Going in to X-7 adds more and much longer jumps.

The only reason a hauler would ever go into X-7 from L-T is as bait, or set up as a ExclamationExclamationBattle BadgerExclamationExclamation (But not Battle Bestowers, they're for noobs)

Once again, Jericho can't affect anything in space, so they try to come on GalNet for a fight.


So now if i want to kill haulers i know where to go...

Kirin
Minmatar
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
Posted - 2005.11.03 17:58:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Kusotarre
Poof like magic?

That doesn't happen.


OMGNoes! Razor ALliance has the 'We Win" button..damnit, gonna go sell my accts now, game over :/


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