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Montcalm
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.10.26 01:42:00 - [1]
 

Alright so a few weeks ago I posted about having lost a duel after the Tempest pilot I was fighting called in his buddies to help him during a 1 on 1. Alot of people at that time posted their experince with dueling, many offered advice on how not to get screwed...apparently I'm a slow learner...what do you expect from a 12-year old that really likes oreo cookies and chocolate milk?

This time, however, I was called a cheater. Apparently, using EW during a duel is "dishonourable"? Apparently, this is a well-known rule in the PvP community? Now I have only been a PvP player for about 7 months so I admit I have ALOT to learn, but in my opinion, the only rule in a duel is it has to be "1 vs 1"...everything else goes. Am I wrong?

I would like to share the conversation that happened between me and my latest dueling dud and I'd like to hear from the players in the eve community whether I'm unlucky, naive, dumb, or really a cheater.

Montcalm > hey m8
taylor04 > hi
Montcalm > wanna
duel?
taylor04 > planet 5
taylor04 > if you want
to fight^
Montcalm > nah...how
about I gang you and you
warp to me?
Montcalm > fair
straight up fight...just you
and me
taylor04 > ok gang me
Montcalm > one on
one right....no tricks?
taylor04 > if u wnana
fight gang me

--Then in local--

Montcalm > emiug...tauylor
agreed to duel
Robert Dobbs > did he?
taylor04 > i said u wanna
fight warp to me
taylor04 > and in 1v1s
ewar isnt allowed, ask any1
Montcalm > cheap man
taylor04 > yea you just
quoted me
taylor04 > if you want a
fight gang me
taylor04 > where does it
say aight lets 1v1
Coupo > taylor04 > if u
wnana fight gang me
Coupo > theres no mention
of a 1vs1 on taylors part
Coupo > and ew is frowned
upon in 1vs1s
Montcalm > yeah...you're
right wow...good job guys...
taylor04 > i was gonna
****in 1v1 you but wtf, you have
to target jam me? how pathedic
Montcalm > That's funny...I
thought tempests could use EW
too?
Chromal > rolling it to tight
taylor
Robert Dobbs > not in a
1v1
Robert Dobbs > it's just
dishonourable
Montcalm > excuse me?
Emiug > EW is for pansies
Robert Dobbs > we were
waiting to warp in in case you
played some stunt like that
taylor04 > thats funny, ask
any famous pvper if theyve used
ewar in a fight, its just a golden
rule
Emiug > who cant fight
Montcalm > EW is
dishonourable? Now I've heard it
all
taylor04 > like i said, i
never said it was a 1v1, you
assumed it, and thats why
assumptions kill people
taylor04 > i keep my word,
and i kept it, i gave you a fight:)

End Result:
2005.10.26 01:01:00

Victim: Montcalm
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: The Eleventh Commandment
Destroyed Type: Dominix
Solar System: Urlen
System Security Level: 1.0

Involved parties:

Name: taylor04 (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -1.9
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pilots Of Honour
Ship Type: Tempest
Weapon Type: 800mm Repeating Artillery II

Name: Emiug
Security Status: 5.2
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pilots Of Honour
Ship Type: Raven
Weapon Type: Inferno Torpedo I

I will still definately challenge other players to duels. Often it is the only way to see any action in a game where station camping and logon traps are the mainstain of the empire PvPer. Hopefully I won't be the guest of honour in another PvPer's gang bang.

Angelus Xenotov
Posted - 2005.10.26 02:12:00 - [2]
 

******ed. Electronic Warfare is entirely allowed in PVP (Unless you specifically say '1v1 WITHOUT EW/Nos/Rails')


Did I mention how much I hate Nos (Energy Vampires)?

DrunkenOne
Unknown Soldiers
B O R G
Posted - 2005.10.26 02:19:00 - [3]
 

pretty pathetic, it was obviously a 1v1 (wanna duel? ok).

And then attempts to make lame excuses to justify breaking the 1v1.

Pathetic.

Karistis
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.10.26 02:24:00 - [4]
 

Don't accept 1v1s with Pilots of Honor or The Munchkins. They both use lame excuses like this to justify the breaking of their word. Their corp name is also a bit ironic, no?

Sorry that happened to you. Confused Send me a mail ingame and let me know where these guys hang out, although I doubt I will get any kills if they are using these kinds of tactics.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2005.10.26 02:24:00 - [5]
 

I stopped accepting duels a long, long time ago. Without fail, on each and every occasion I can recall, they invariably wind up quartets.

Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
Posted - 2005.10.26 02:25:00 - [6]
 

lollerskates at "pilotsofhonour"

Snubfighter
Posted - 2005.10.26 02:28:00 - [7]
 

Find someone to play the bait and get them to duel 1vs1. Play their own game and you can back him up by warping in on top of the traitors. Get even.

Mystiel Raleigh
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2005.10.26 02:42:00 - [8]
 

Pilots of Honor should probably change their name.

Ewar is fair game in a duel. Golden rule, my ass.

Professor Makar
Caldari
0utbreak
Posted - 2005.10.26 03:26:00 - [9]
 

im confused Confused if you ganged this guy how did the raven warp in. did you get him to warp to you at a planet or something or a ss, or maybe they busted your ss with probes ;/

Firstname Lastname
Posted - 2005.10.26 03:54:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Professor Makar
im confused Confused if you ganged this guy how did the raven warp in. did you get him to warp to you at a planet or something or a ss, or maybe they busted your ss with probes ;/


jerk joins gang
jerk warps to duelist
jerks friend invites jerk to a gang
jerk joins gang in mid warp
once jerk comes out of warp his friend warps in to him



honestly i don't respect or honor many things in this game but it's pretty lame to screw over a 1v1 like that. ew and all that i don't care about but if you can't take someone 1v1 don't say you will then have a friend come in.

Handon Guild
Toys R Us
Posted - 2005.10.26 07:18:00 - [11]
 

I agree. The bull**** about EW being dishonourable is just pure WHINE over the fact that Montcalm had the tactical advantage. AND, I see that he says that 1v1 was never mentioned ...

"Montcalm > fair
straight up fight...just you
and me
taylor04 > ok gang me"

If that isn't the closest thing to agreeing for a 1v1 without saying the actual words, I don't know what it is.
Taylor04, if anyone is dishonourable, it's you! Shame on you for not being able to take care of yourself, though you agreed to fight another player!

Ole Iversen
Posted - 2005.10.26 07:52:00 - [12]
 

pwnt...

Cheat or stupidity ?


Suppose it wont take you another 7 months to learn not to 1v1 ?


ParMizaN
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
Posted - 2005.10.26 07:54:00 - [13]
 

pilots of honour broke a few duel agreements when f-e had a war with them ..just make sure you fight people you know you can trust. Usually ECM is not allowed in duels .. but peole usually say " no ecm ok" beforehand to clarify.

Randuin MaraL
Minmatar
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
Posted - 2005.10.26 08:28:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Mystiel Raleigh
Pilots of Honor should probably change their name.

Ewar is fair game in a duel. Golden rule, my ass.


... is a MUST ... and what the others said: Pathetic. No fault on your side.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.10.26 09:29:00 - [15]
 

LaughingLaughingLaughing

Pilots of honor...

LaughingLaughingLaughing

OMG I cannot stop laughing!

LaughingLaughingLaughing

KIATolon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.10.26 10:50:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: KIATolon on 26/10/2005 10:50:15
pirates of honour

Ja'kar
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2005.10.26 12:06:00 - [17]
 

System Security Level: 1.0

at the risk of looking stupid and nooobish----> how did u duel in a 1.0 system?

(should have used a alt for this question- but wth)Embarassed

Harlequin D'Earth
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2005.10.26 12:34:00 - [18]
 

At war I guess...

Coupo
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2005.10.26 14:11:00 - [19]
 

People who hop onto the forums and whine because their plan to extort money off an industrial corp went a bit wrong need to rethink their ideal of Honour, because you dont deserve any for your actions towards this Industrial Corp.
We are fighting to defend this Industrial Corp, we will do this by any means we deem fit if you are unhappy with this, undeclare on this corp and we wont shoot you anymore.

ALSO people whould note, that honour is only shown to those that show honour themselves. Rougish behaviour is not honourable so most people will NEVER receive it.
And to edit chatlogs, the less said about that the better.

As for EW in a 1 vs 1, it seems there are two camps on this, we are of the "no EW ever" and everyone else whos posted appears to be of the "by any means nessecary".
If you want a 1vs1 with us using EW, then you better make it clear that you want to use EW.
If anyone has a problem with this, its not our problem.

Coupo
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2005.10.26 14:33:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Coupo on 26/10/2005 14:43:15
Edited by: Coupo on 26/10/2005 14:41:49
For those intrested here is an unedited version of the chat log:

Quote:

[ 2005.10.26 00:54:35 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Perimeter Local Channel
[ 2005.10.26 00:55:56 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Urlen Local Channel
[ 2005.10.26 01:01:10 ] Montcalm > emiug...tauylor agreed to duel
[ 2005.10.26 01:01:19 ] Robert Dobbs > did he?
[ 2005.10.26 01:01:24 ] taylor04 > i said u wanna fight warp to me
[ 2005.10.26 01:01:35 ] taylor04 > and in 1v1s ewar isnt allowed, ask any1
[ 2005.10.26 01:02:03 ] Montcalm > Montcalm > fair straight <br>up fight...just you and me<br> taylor04 > ok gang me<br> Montcalm > one on one <br>right....no tricks?<br> taylor04 > if u wnana <br>fight gang me
[ 2005.10.26 01:02:10 ] Montcalm > cheap man
[ 2005.10.26 01:02:14 ] taylor04 > yea you just quoted me
[ 2005.10.26 01:02:17 ] taylor04 > if you want a fight gang me
[ 2005.10.26 01:02:24 ] taylor04 > where does it say aight lets 1v1
[ 2005.10.26 01:02:27 ] Coupo > taylor04 > if u wnana fight gang me
[ 2005.10.26 01:02:36 ] Coupo > theres no mention of a 1vs1 on taylors part
[ 2005.10.26 01:02:45 ] Coupo > and ew is frowned upon in 1vs1s
[ 2005.10.26 01:02:56 ] Montcalm > yeah...you're right wow...good job guys...
[ 2005.10.26 01:02:59 ] taylor04 > i was gonna ****in 1v1 you but wtf, you have to target jam me? how pathedic
[ 2005.10.26 01:03:30 ] Chromal > rolling it to tight taylor
[ 2005.10.26 01:03:31 ] Montcalm > That's funny...I thought tempests could use EW too?
[ 2005.10.26 01:03:43 ] Robert Dobbs > not in a 1v1
[ 2005.10.26 01:03:53 ] Robert Dobbs > it's just dishonourable
[ 2005.10.26 01:03:59 ] Emiug > EW is for pansies
[ 2005.10.26 01:03:59 ] Montcalm > excuse me?
[ 2005.10.26 01:04:00 ] Robert Dobbs > we were waiting to warp in in case you played some stunt like that
[ 2005.10.26 01:04:03 ] taylor04 > thats funny, ask any famous pvper if theyve used ewar in a fight, its just a golden rule
[ 2005.10.26 01:04:05 ] Emiug > who cant fight
[ 2005.10.26 01:04:46 ] Montcalm > EW is dishonourable? Now I've heard it all
[ 2005.10.26 01:04:58 ] taylor04 > in a 1v1
[ 2005.10.26 01:05:05 ] taylor04 > never said you couldnt in general
[ 2005.10.26 01:05:54 ] Montcalm > the only rule in a 1 on 1 is it's "1 on 1"...if you don't want me to use EW, you have to state that prior to aggreeing to my gang invite...at least imo

[ 2005.10.26 01:06:26 ] taylor04 > like i said, i never said it was a 1v1, you assumed it, and thats why assumptions kill people
[ 2005.10.26 01:06:56 ] taylor04 > i keep my word, and i kept it, i gave you a fight:)
[ 2005.10.26 01:07:18 ] taylor04 > wouldnt call it a fight, more of a gank, but still
[ 2005.10.26 01:07:47 ] Coupo > whats done is done
[ 2005.10.26 01:08:02 ] taylor04 > do you want to cry on my shoulder sweetypie
[ 2005.10.26 01:08:03 ] Montcalm > Indeed...pilot of honour...ha =)
[ 2005.10.26 01:08:22 ] taylor04 > actually, thats just the title, we call ourselves pirates with honor
[ 2005.10.26 01:08:24 ] Montcalm > yeah...do you have cookies?
[ 2005.10.26 01:08:25 ] Coupo > were at war, its nothing to do with honour anymore
[ 2005.10.26 01:08:34 ] taylor04 > and some milk
[ 2005.10.26 01:08:36 ] Robert Dobbs > I have cookies
[ 2005.10.26 01:12:31 ] Chromal > yaahn
[ 2005.10.26 01:22:37 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Perimeter Local Channel



and everyone wonders why we dont show honour all the time

Edited:
[ 2005.10.26 01:03:59 ] Emiug > EW is for pansies
to
[ 2005.10.26 01:03:59 ] Emiug > EW is for pansies

as one of my collegues pointed out that it is in deed in montcalms post, i missed this however.

Tysenus
Drones of Annihilation
Posted - 2005.10.26 14:36:00 - [21]
 

You want someone to make it clear that they are going to be using EW against youRolling Eyes
Oh ok by the way when we 1vs1 I am going to use EW on you... that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Why the hell you tell your opponent what you are going to be using against him? If you have the better refit that allows you to win then congrats and the looser will just have to learn from that.

Coupo
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2005.10.26 14:39:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Coupo on 26/10/2005 14:50:32
Quote:
Oh ok by the way when we 1vs1 I am going to use EW on you... that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Why the hell you tell your opponent what you are going to be using against him? If you have the better refit that allows you to win then congrats and the looser will just have to learn from that.


If the pilot turns down the 1vs1 then he has in effect lost the 1vs1.

Edit: i rewrote my response because i missread what you put :)

Profess0r Mansechs0r
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.10.26 14:49:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Coupo
Edited by: Coupo on 26/10/2005 14:46:38
Quote:
Oh ok by the way when we 1vs1 I am going to use EW on you... that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Why the hell you tell your opponent what you are going to be using against him? If you have the better refit that allows you to win then congrats and the looser will just have to learn from that.

as everyone thinks were following the knights of old honour system .. then hidden arms are dishonourable, need any more questions answered on honour?

Lol, your entire corporation is pathetic.

Coupo
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2005.10.26 14:52:00 - [24]
 

Quote:

Lol, your entire corporation is pathetic.
Private lessons?



Thats your opinion and you are aloud it.

Robert Dobbs
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.10.26 17:17:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 26/10/2005 17:18:30
So what if we broke a 1v1 agreement? We didn't, because we never agreed to a 1v1.

But I couldn't care less. Would you like a tissue?

You folks are all logged off today, hiding from us. If you have something to say, say it with guns.

Dobbs.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.10.26 17:20:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/10/2005 17:20:29

Rolling Eyes

I would like to repeat something I've said many times before.

Dishonoring a 1v1 for ANY REASON is LAME.

There is no justification in EVE for dishonoring a 1v1. Ever.

If you have to cheat at honorable combat to get a kill, you are a nobody in EVE.

Robert Dobbs
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.10.26 17:51:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/10/2005 17:20:29

Rabble rabble rabble


I have a quick q for you - I checked the link in your sig and I still didn't get the idea? I guess it helps if you're an anime fan.

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2005.10.26 17:55:00 - [28]
 

/spit poh

xetic newblars playing big stil a bunch of ******s

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.10.26 17:55:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/10/2005 17:57:02
Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/10/2005 17:20:29

Rabble rabble rabble


I have a quick q for you - I checked the link in your sig and I still didn't get the idea? I guess it helps if you're an anime fan.


Rabble.

No, generally it doesn't help. Being an anime fan generally hurts, not helps, your sense of humor.

/tries to avoid being an "anime fan"
//even though he watches anime
///meh
////rabble
/////hates cosplayers

P.S. Its normal to not entirely get it, as its a short, in a series of 26 shorts, related to a TV series that you haven't seen. They're still funny though.

Malacore
Pilots Of Honour
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2005.10.26 18:24:00 - [30]
 

I am dishonorable...

and I need a spanking.


Who's first?


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