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Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar
PAK
Posted - 2006.03.09 04:20:00 - [31]
 

Wanoah wrote:

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Nonetheless, they were either completely outclassed or completely outnumbered by the Amarr when they did show up. Yes, they were advanced, but not as advanced as the Amarr when it came to building ships and space travel. We know how that turned out.

Indeed we do.

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The question is why. The Amarr were driven to expand into space much sooner. I still contend it was because their homeworld wasn't rich enough in resources to accomodate their ambition.


If their world wasn't rich enough in resources, they wouldn't have been able to support a pre-space society. If it happened to be just barely rich enough to get them started, then they wouldn't have been able to maintain a conquest of the size that they undertook.
Conquering a planet (or village or city) doesn't result in an immediate influx of material. Massive amounts of resources would have had been brought with them and there would have been a considerable amount of time before they could properly or even scarcely exploit newly conquered territory. No, they had the tools and the resources before they left the soil of Amarr Prime. Maybe later, after many planets had fallen, and more lay before them, that the factories of Amarr started thirsting for resources, which the very first conquered planets may have been able to finally provide.

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2006.03.09 04:20:00 - [32]
 

i think Caldari are a mix of Japan and America, both nations have mega corps in reality and both have tightly bound economies based on these megacorps. in the FFA world of EVE imagine the military that Walmart would have. "Walmart Defense Force, Earth Moon 1"

Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar
PAK
Posted - 2006.03.09 04:33:00 - [33]
 

I believe that Amarr was as near to a perfect world as can be imagined. It is one thing just to be a good food producer, it is another to have good foods to produce. I believe Amarr, above the other racial homeworlds, had the most nutritious food, the most domesticable animals, and finest raw materials. These bounty allowed for a massive population explosion on Amarr. As the early Amarr civilizations began to get better and better at food production, less were needed in the fields or pastures. People were able to take up other types of employment: blacksmith, builder, soldier, scientist and priest. An advanced society emerged, one that had a perfect resource filled world on which to work with. Once unified this juggernaut, was able to look skyward. And with plenty of natural resources to fuel a massive fleet and empire...well we all know the rest.

Sorry to be so long winded, but I love this stuff.

*snip*

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Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2006.03.09 08:16:00 - [34]
 

Yeah, tbh the Caldari fit more to the Japanese than the American type.

The whole, honor-bound duty complex and supreme loyalty to the corporations, ((which resemble the keiretsu a hell of a lot more than anything like Yahoo or M$)) is more Japanese than American ideology.

The technological finesse, arguably this is from Japan as well.

The military thing might be a takeoff of the Military dictatorship of the 1930's in Japan, but could be just another random thing CCP added to the Caldari type.

Remember, these races are more unique than copies of nations.

Morgana Janan
GalacTECH Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2006.03.09 15:17:00 - [35]
 

That, and I still think saying "Well these guys are like this so they must be descended from so-and-so" is flawed logic. Human history and thinking has a tendency to repeat itself (and ryhme, for that matter), so similar social constructs - like Caldari zaibatsus - cropping up hardly means they're automatically of Japanese ancestery.

Ly'sol
Caldari
Posted - 2006.03.09 20:42:00 - [36]
 

gives me the shivers you people are trying to compare a society based on tolitarian nationalism to a militeristic majoritarion goverment to two real worlds most prominent democracies that are completely the oppositte of what the Caldari State is.

When was the last time you seen tanks rolling down the streets of Shibuya Tokyo or Brooklyn New York? There is no RW comparison. Your useing the sterotypes that the United States is this sea of walmarts and the Japanesse are running around chopping thier heads off because they looked at each other funny.

Im more inclined to believe that the Federation's democracy is more a kin to what the united states is. And the only other real world comparasion that i can make is possibly the Amarr and a few african nations.

In other words...the goverments of EVE are way to far scewed to be compared to any Real World source.

SadisticSavior
Caldari
Posted - 2006.03.09 21:48:00 - [37]
 

Relax. It's a game.

The EVE states do represent the extremes of some real-world governments. The Caldari, IMO, fit nicely with the stereotypical nationalistic Americans (although I can admit there is an obviously strong Japanese element as well).

Reading the backstory for the Gallente I definitely got a European vibe from them.

The Minmatar have an Eastern Euro feel with Jewish Holocaust overtones.

The Amarrians do come across as an extreme form of Catholicism with Nazі overtones.

Dont know why this should disturb anyone...these are fictional races after all. Some people like playing rebels, some people like playing villains, some people like playing the oppressed, ect. For those new players interested in the RP aspects of the game, comparisons to real-world ideologies make sense.

I get the impression reading the forums that the Caldari are unofficially allied with the Amarr...although it makes more sense that they would be sympathetic towards the Minmatar. After all, both races were once oppressed by one of the other two powers.

Silver Night
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2006.03.10 03:51:00 - [38]
 

Caldari aren't allied with the Amarr. It is more like the Amarr are the only race they don't dislike. And they don't get along with the Minmatar because the republic is helped a lot by the Fed. The closests thing to an actual alliance between factions would probably be things like caldari > Mordus, or even Caldari >Khanid.

Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2006.03.10 06:33:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 10/03/2006 06:34:48
Originally by: SadisticSavior
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America has a Senate, and a President. Runs on a democracy. They value the rights of an individual (supposedly) and have a constitution etc.

Makes them closer to the Federation rather than the State, no?

Corporations aren't anywhere near as intensive on American life as they are in Japan. Direct parallels can be taken between the zaibatsu/keiretsu and groups like SuVee, Kaalakiota.

Caldari State nationalism, the only parallel I can think of right now is Italian nationalism of the 1930's. All for the State, etc. etc.

The regimés in themselves (between the State and Facist Italy) are different, but the nationalism is very similar to a degree.

Originally by: SadisticSavior
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I think the thing with making r/l comparisons, is that the Empires aren't designed to be carbon copies of nations. They may take influence off various entities from history, but are still individually different in their own right.

Tony Fats
Posted - 2006.03.10 10:03:00 - [40]
 

Well think about this.

Caldari seceding from Gallente Federation. Revolutionary war anybody?

Intaki freedom movement = Indian secession from British Empire?

Amarr = Romans

Minmatar = Jews

Note how Caldari are allied to the Amarrians, just like America is a patriarchal religious state. Didn't George Bush the other day say that God told him to go invade Iraq or something?

Caldari hate Gallente, just like American conservatives hate European liberalism.

Gallente allied with Minmatar. Remember the Balfour Declaration?

Heck I'm half-jewish and I get strong jewish vibes all over Republic.

If you know the story of how the Romans subjugated the Israelites, it jives with the Amarr/Minmatar story perfectly.

Actually now that I think about it, I would say Caldari and Gallente don't represent real world countries, they represent Conservative vs Liberal war.

Gallente=Liberals
Caldari=Conservatives

Clinton America vs Bush America.
Chirac France vs Marie LePen France
Liberal Britan vs BNP Britain

Intakis definitely sound Indian to me.

Anyway, I'm happy to be Minnie, this race/culture just feels like home to me.

Alexis DeTocqueville
Na Geanna Fiaine
Posted - 2006.03.10 23:28:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 10/03/2006 23:30:27
One of the main differences in perception of the Caldari for me and Halunoto is how it takes care of the individual. In my opinion the Caldari are ironically more individualist than the Gallente, based on an "ownership society" taken to its extreme, where everything is owned by a corporation eventually. This isn't a bad thing per se, though it certainly sucks having to lease everything I'd wager.

When interacting with CAIN (and correct me here if I'm wrong, fellas) they describe it as more of a collectivist agreement. All for the good of the state, etc, very nationalistic but taking care of its citizens in a quasi-socialist manner.


And trying to compare ANY of the four major nations to any real world country is an exercise in futility, though personally I like to think the Minmatar Republic has many parallels to America, the revolutionary spirit, the war of independence followed by a democratic republic, the inspiration found in the old Roman thinkers of Cato and his ilk contrasted with the inspiration the Minmatar found in the (very Roman-esque in naming convention) Gallente Federation

Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar
PAK
Posted - 2006.03.11 00:59:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Alejandro Zapata on 11/03/2006 00:59:21
I think the Caldari/Gallente balance that Tony Fats hit on is pretty close.

Caldari and Gallente are the end result of two different paths, not just for the United States, but for every country on Earth. Caldari result if corporations begin to gain too much power in life, as some think they do in many countries, not just the US, but in SE and E Asia. The Gallente federation is no utopian result either. Incredible decadence that may eventually lead to its demise or radical change in government.

I am glad I revived this topic btwVery Happy

Or you know what, perhaps they aren't a distant cousin of any particular human nation state. Perhaps the Gallente, Caldari, Amarr and Minmatar are a chance result of our whole species. A democratic republic, corporate controlled state, theocratic juggernaut, or the conquered and enslaved. Which is exactly what EVE is all about anyways: The distant future of the Human Race.

Its what makes Eve and other Science Fiction so ****ing awesome.


Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2006.03.11 01:45:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 11/03/2006 02:32:25
Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville

One of the main differences in perception of the Caldari for me and Halunoto is how it takes care of the individual. In my opinion the Caldari are ironically more individualist than the Gallente, based on an "ownership society" taken to its extreme, where everything is owned by a corporation eventually. This isn't a bad thing per se, though it certainly sucks having to lease everything I'd wager.

When interacting with CAIN (and correct me here if I'm wrong, fellas) they describe it as more of a collectivist agreement. All for the good of the state, etc, very nationalistic but taking care of its citizens in a quasi-socialist manner.


Good point.

While some consider the State a meritocracy, there are some important facts to consider when talking about individualism within it.

In my mind, there is no individualism in the State.

f.ex: the research Tyma Raitaru. From that chronicle, it seems R&D work within the corporations would be done by a few and then the corporation as a whole takes credit for it.

In the Federation, I could see such a development in technology being attributed to a single individual.

As for property, the State (technically the amalgamation of the megacorps) owns practically all property. It is leased to the citizens, in return for work/labour. In essence, you belong to the corporation you work for because everything you own is probably leased to you. Like, a company car but to the extreme including everything except limited personal belongings.

So, because you belong to the corporation you are not an individual, you are part of it. "Cog in the machine" scenario. You do your bit for your corporation, in the name of the State so the State can continue it's position of supremacy.

The closest r/l example I can think of, is that of Italian facism.

Originally by: Mussolini
Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato.


"Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State"

Even though the State is not run by Il Duce, I always imagined that is how State propaganda would run. Another example would be the Caldari Titan description "Citizens of the State rejoice! etc."

Ironically enough, the State has similarities to what you would consider a collectivist society. All property owned by the State, and although they're drawn from different places in some respects the Chief Executive Panel resembles the Politburo.

I think it changes as you move up the social ladder. Of course, individualism becomes more apparent at the top of the corporate ladders but for the bulk of the State, it's not what's good for you, it's what's good for the State.

Everyone has a job, do it well and stay in line and you can live a good life. Try to dissent, and face exile as well as social suicide.

Keep in mind though, I think this sort of situation developed from the Cal-Gall war onwards, perhaps a psychological development from "everyone doing their bit" as in the Caldari, being outnumbered relied on more of their population to fight the war.

Now, if we look at the Gallente. Their race description talks of the individual freedoms they possess and clearly they are a very liberal society. Traditionally, such societies value the individual over the "state" itself.

It's all a matter of perspective I guess, the descriptions are really open to interpretation.

GoGo Yubari
Veto.
Posted - 2006.03.11 02:50:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Morgana Janan
That, and I still think saying "Well these guys are like this so they must be descended from so-and-so" is flawed logic. Human history and thinking has a tendency to repeat itself (and ryhme, for that matter), so similar social constructs - like Caldari zaibatsus - cropping up hardly means they're automatically of Japanese ancestery.


QFT

Originally by: Tony Fats

Intaki freedom movement = Indian secession from British Empire?



Not to toot my own horn or anything, but considering I'm pretty much the one who took the ball with this separatist thing and ran with it, I can tell you I wasn't thinking of the Indian secession when I did it (while I do agree that there is an Indian vibe mixed into the Intaki bloodline, though).

I agree with the poster I quoted first. It is too simplistic to take this view as the be all and end all. Sure, we can discuss influences, but let's not reduce these factions into just glorified rehashings of current/past nations.

Tony Fats
Posted - 2006.03.11 13:25:00 - [45]
 

I don't think any faction is supposed to represent any single real-world state.

They represent various cultures.

Fundamentalism. Tribalism. Fascism/Capitalism. And....err the Gallente, whatever the heck they are.

As far as real world politics, no I dont think George Bush is the second incarnation of Adolf, but to the extreme right-wing, he is as close to Adolf as you can get, the cross-burners and goose-steppers certainly aint gonna vote for Hillary Clinton are they? No, they are gonna vote for the closest thing America has to their ideal, which is the Republican Party.

Same goes for the extreme left, I don't think any closet-Marxists are gonna be voting for Mr Cheney, know what I mean? But leftists being leftists, they tend to be more uh...idealistic rather than pragmatist.

Leftists will fragment themselves and vote for people who have no chance of winning, just to make a statement. Instead of all voting for their strongest leftist (Kerry or Dean), they'll be off voting for extreme leftists like Kucinich and Ralph Nader.

Meanwhile all the *** guys are holding "Re-Elect George Bush" voting drives, not because George Bush is a racist, but because he's the closest thing they have to an acceptable candidate that actually has a chance of winning.

Personally, I voted for him in the last election, and if he could run again I'd vote him again, because he's not really a right-winger, he's what they call a neo-con, or "new conservative." Basically a liberal that believes in using the military to enforce liberal values all over the world.

I'm all for it. We should spread the power of American freedom all over the world, crush the tyrants and despots, and shine the light on Africa and the Middle East, help those people out.

Whats all this got to do with the game?

If George W Bush existed in Eve, he would be a Gallente.ShockedLaughing

GoGo Yubari
Veto.
Posted - 2006.03.13 21:48:00 - [46]
 

Oh, and it's official now. The Caldari language is based on the Finnish language, which is what I've been saying all along.

Source: Eve Online, Chinese webpage (they got prime fiction we haven't).

Olayinka
Posted - 2006.03.17 23:48:00 - [47]
 

The high end Minimitar ships are named after Viking words.

Seeing as though history books did not survive the eve crash, these names must have lived on in one of the Minimitar tribal cultures.

Therefore, at least one of the tribes is Scandanavian.

Cipher Khadaffi
Caldari
Binary Logistics Inc.
Posted - 2006.03.25 00:13:00 - [48]
 

theres somthing ive always wondered wich this thread hasnt touched on at all and im a bit surprised about that actually

altho there are many similarities to be drawn about our player races adn governments, one thing taht has always stuck out to me while contemplating on tah origins of caldari/amarr/minmatar adn galante is what about tah jove

granted not a whole lot is known about them but maybe thats why im always going back to wondering who and where could they have originated from

technologically speaking they anhiliate tah rest of us and they have thiere jove disease and look pretty alien compared to the rest of tah races/bloodlines but are stil said to be of human decent

this one jus always twists my mind but i cant get off it, who were they and howd they get to where they are now

anyway yeah i jus wanted to toss that little cookie out there and see if anyone bites

Karl Mattar
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2006.03.31 21:11:00 - [49]
 

I've always formed my character's personality off of the Deteis image, which strikes me as a very German or Prussian personality. The history of the Caldari seems to me to be a result of a capitalist society that took a hard right turn after the incidents over Caldari Prime. It's gone so far right wing that I would indeed call it a Fascist state. I do like how the Megacorporations have played into it, so there is no Fuhrer or Il Duce, but it's still all very lock-step and militaristic. I think there is a lot of propoganda in how the people are educated that resembles the propoganda of the Third Reich. The fact that people who do not conform are driven out bears out theories of a very regimented society. On the other hand, corporations that will follow Caldari cultural norms are allowed to thrive within Caldari space. So there's room some for acceptance.

I play Karl as a product of that society. Very opinionated, informed on the relevant historical events, and properly educated with the best propoganda. He's been taught that the Caldari are superior to everyone else, and only the Amarr are worthy of being noticed as anything more than sub-human. Of course, as life develops in the pod, reality is slowly creeping past his State-provided blinders...

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2006.04.03 05:34:00 - [50]
 

Well as the author of this little thread im happy to see it creep up again. Now to add my two cents here.


Please keep your political biases towards another countrys policies or history to yourselves. I don't claim to know anything about the prime minister of Australia so don't try and tell others what they think they know about America's president, or France's President. It's not realy an appropriate thing to sit on a high horse and bad mouth a Nation when you don't live there nor know anything about its people and government and History.


Suffice to say its in bad taste to sneak your opinions of another nations politics in a thread not meant for it. So please keep it out of here.



That said. I believe the recent news article regarding the Idama strengthens my beleif that the Intaki are of Indian/Middle eastern influence. Whether this influence is cultural, Racial or whatever.


Also with the new bloodlines, I think its hard to put the Amarr in any category, as I realy dont think they came from one race. Theyre language and culture may be latin but realy its hard to tell on the Amarrs. Perhaps if they ever show us what a Udorian looks like and some in depth PF on the Amarrians before the conquered there homeworld will we ever know.



Karl Mattar
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2006.04.14 15:15:00 - [51]
 

I think ultimately, you guys are right. There is no sense in trying to play any race as "descended from ..." All you can do is take the elements as they are presented, maybe draw some similarities, and RP within the framework that you have.

Fortunately, there are enought similarities to different historical events that we can develope our own interesting histories in EVE.

I really enjoy the verbal sparring that occurs on the IC forums. :)

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2006.04.14 16:27:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Alejandro Zapata
Invention is the mother of necessity. Most military thinkers thought the airplane was just an amusing toy with no combat value. We got along pretty good without the car for thousands of years, people never demanded a motorized vehicle. It was invented, people saw how great it was, THEN they needed it. Same goes for electric light, telephone, computers, just about every little toy you have in your room, was invented before anybody had a need for it.

One exception though, Atomic weapons Laughing We all love those, especially us 'militaristic' americans.


There's a difference between "needing" something as in "it is critical for the sake of survival" and "needing" it as in "OMG WANT WANT WANT". Inventions are created to overcome obstacles that cannot be dealt with solo - the wheel was invented to allow for moving heavy objects easily over long distances, and was subsequently refined into the car when the technology became available. The first man ever to need a weapon probably picked up the nearest rock or piece of sturdy wood, and every weapon since then has been a refinement of the principle.

Myself, I always look at the EVE races and see the EVE races. Even the Gallente are a little bit too far removed from the French for there to be that many parallels between the two cultures. Remember that the span of reliably recorded human history here in RL is somewhere around about five thousand years or so, whereas the EVEverse is four or five times older. Whole civilisations have risen and fallen (most likely conquered by the Amarrians) in the interim, and it's only when you get into the last hundred years or so of EST that you start to see the cultures and bloodlines as they are today.


Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar
PAK
Posted - 2006.04.17 01:08:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
There's a difference between "needing" something as in "it is critical for the sake of survival" and "needing" it as in "OMG WANT WANT WANT". Inventions are created to overcome obstacles that cannot be dealt with solo



You statement is fallacious b/c it lumps in all inventions into the category of "critical for the sake of survival." This is so incredibly false, it is almost not even worth refuting, but I will anyway, b/c I already have. The mode of transportation used by humans from the very first domestication of large mammals until the late 19th century (>ten thousand years) was more or less the same. Either by human power or animal power. Humans did just fine until the invention of the motorized carriage. It is impossible to argue that the automobile was "critical for the sake of survival"

Originally by: Stitcher
- the wheel was invented to allow for moving heavy objects easily over long distances, and was subsequently refined into the car when the technology became available.



You and I can't know why ancient man invented the Wheel in the old world, because there is no written record, you only assume that it was invented for some use. Well your assumption is incorrect. How do I know this? Because the Mayan civilization had the wheel, and it never went beyond the use of a simple toy. The Maya never used the wheel to move large objects. And if you have ever seen pictures of Chichen Itza, you would know, they sure could have used it. Another example would be the very first steam engine created by the ancient Greeks. The crude invention never went beyond a simple toy played with by children. I doubt that there was a "critical" need of Greek children to have such a toy.

Originally by: Stitcher

The first man ever to need a weapon probably picked up the nearest rock or piece of sturdy wood, and every weapon since then has been a refinement of the principle.


Since man neither invented wood or rock, the metaphor/example doesn't work for your benefit in the discussion. It does infact work for mine. Seeing the qualities and characteristics of God/Nature's creation, Man found a use for it. Therefore, demand was created AFTER creation. Hence, Invention is the mother of Necessity, and not the other way around.

50freefly
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.04.22 14:14:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: SadisticSavior
Quote:
And invade nations they percieve as a threat almost on a whim.


Somebody's liberal Rolling Eyes



Rick Dentill
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2006.04.24 07:57:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Tony Fats



If you know the story of how the Romans subjugated the Israelites, it jives with the Amarr/Minmatar story perfectly.




Indeed, and yet the romans did pretty much the same to everybody.

Aramis Blackwing
Posted - 2006.04.25 10:45:00 - [56]
 

It is intruiging to try and fit the EVE cultures to our current real world cultures. But we should take some things into consideration:

(Dis)Regard for Modernity
This world has quickly moved into a modern culture. The automobile, airplane, and nuclear energy took off like lightning leaving a wake of fast-food restaurants, cellular technology, and e-mails. America, Europe and many parts of Asia were quick to pick up on this. Now too Africa is finally aiming for the lofty goals.
Yet there are many cultures currently on earth that disregard modernism. Sure, some remnants of modern life might appear, plastic buckets, t-shirts, AK-47s... but for the most part these artifacts don't really change the culture much. They don't jump to acquire cell-phones or computers. Things like the stock exchange just hold no interest to them.
They are more concerned with their cattle, their games of backgammon, their tribal tatoos. Why? Because there is culture in people. It is this what will live on into future generations.

Culturing a culture.
So how much culture would be preserved? It can be safely assumed that it will be a few more generations before our planet takes to space. There is too much turmoil and corporations who would take the bill for building spacecraft, just haven't gotten in on it yet. We will see a shift on this planet much like how CCP predicts, where corps will be the new power. You will pledge your allegiance to Coca-Cola, Wal-Mart and Nestle (or some incarnation thereof). These forces will attempt to subvert their will on people, but also work to gain ever more profit.
Yet due to the earlier rejection of modernity, there will be people who vy for their cultures.
So in this storyline, when New Eden opens, some people will come for freedom of religion, some for new worlds to conquer, some just for adventure. I would safely imagine that at this point, races can and would be just as easily merged as segregaeted still.

Understanding races and phenotypes
People on earth are not dark-skinned due to geographical location or reaction to sunlight. Their heights and builds are typically suggestive more of diet (potatoes) than genetics. And we would probably see races from 20,000 years ago that don't exsist now. So what will 20,000 years in the future hold? A blending and reculling of race in ways we may not be able to predict.
Minmatars might evolve into a race that is more laid back, but eons of toil under the Amarr whip will seeth that out of most of them. It's impossible to say how or why certain phenotypes will show and others will dilute. What will be traceable are memes and ethosi.

A memetic DNA
So what do we have to work on otherwise? Belief, creed, doctrine, politics. If we look at our four bloodlines we see trends. These are representations of four different political bodies.
The Amarr - Monocratic/Theocratic. They give rise to subjigation and form the Minmatar's current Republic. People who want recognition.
There are the Gallente, who make up a liberal/social Democracy. Their antithesis is the Caldari State, a facist government that claims it's for the people.
So we have (based on memes, not genes):
Amarr - Rome/Catholic Europe.
Minmatar - Diverse cultures merged as one unit, Roma, African and Carribean ideals are present
Gallente - A liberal democracy, current Europe/Canada, maybe USA
Caldari - the prolitariate turned dictatorship, U.S.S.R anyone? Modern China.

So there you have it. We can look two ways and yell till we are blue in the face. Their genetic origins in EVE may be completely sepearte from the memetic ones. Brutors could be from African stock, their tribal culture suggests this might be true. But that does not perclude they are solely African. Is this not the wonder of this game? Race, as we know it, is gone. New forms of tension spanning racial and political lines are formed, yet it is still the same story!

Petwraith


ISD YARR
Interstellar Services Department
Posted - 2006.04.25 13:33:00 - [57]
 

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