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Face Lifter
Posted - 2005.10.14 04:47:00 - [1]

Edited by: Face Lifter on 14/10/2005 05:03:54
The game is missing a dedicated smartbomb ship and smartbombs are considered to be an Amarr thing, so why not the tier 3 bs?

Ship bonus: +5% to smartbomb range, -5% to smartbomb cycle duration

Slot layout:
8 high slots, 6 turret, 0 missile
5 med slots
8 low slots

Drone bay: 100 m3

This would be a very niche ship, many people wouldn’t like to have Amarr tier 3 bs taken up by something so specialized. But the game should have such a specialized ship. I know I’d want to fly one. Smartbombs eat a lot of cap very fast, and with maximum of 25% duration in smartbomb cycle, the cap drain would be tremendous. Amarr ships have naturally good cap, and tier 3 bs should have as much cap as Apoc with cap bonus at level 5. Many med and low slots would be dedicated to cap boosting too. It should have 10% more hp than Apoc too. Cost about 140 mil.

Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2005.10.14 04:50:00 - [2]

hmmm, missile slots on a smartbomb ship Shocked

Vader Crane
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.10.14 04:52:00 - [3]

dedicated jackass Laughing was ment as a joke.. like i hope this idea is...

amarrr smartbomb ? who whould want a smartbomb ship lol

Face Lifter
Posted - 2005.10.14 04:53:00 - [4]

those are just for show, adds a tiny degree of versatility

Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.10.14 05:01:00 - [5]

You make me crySad

Face Lifter
Posted - 2005.10.14 05:05:00 - [6]

ok I revised the idea so it has 6 turrets, for versatility. But it's still a dedicated smartbomb ship

Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.10.14 05:08:00 - [7]

Originally by: Meridius
You make me crySad

Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.10.14 05:12:00 - [8]

I thought this was a jokeRazz

Since when are smartbombs considered to be Amarr, they're notConfused

Face Lifter
Posted - 2005.10.14 05:13:00 - [9]

Also, consider that Amarr already have dedicated super tank and super gank ship.

There's no more room in that direction for tier 3 bs. Face it, whatever the tier 3 is gonna be, it won't be super tank or super gank

Posted - 2005.10.14 06:30:00 - [10]

I'm pretty sure that the amarr third bs is going to be a versatil ship along the lines of the domi.

Posted - 2005.10.14 06:36:00 - [11]

Originally by: Face Lifter
Also, consider that Amarr already have dedicated super tank and super gank ship.

There's no more room in that direction for tier 3 bs. Face it, whatever the tier 3 is gonna be, it won't be super tank or super gank

so u think a ship that could fit 6 turrets a couple of NOS and have 13 combined med and low slots wouldn't tank better than an apoc ?

one little aside as well, until they change the rules with regards to gangs hardly anyone would use a dedicated smartbomb ship as anyone not in your corp would have to avoid getting in smartbomb range even if u ganged with them.

Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2005.10.14 06:48:00 - [12]

this would be better as a cruiser sized t2 ship class or something. sort of perimeter defense for fleets?

Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
Posted - 2005.10.14 10:26:00 - [13]

Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 14/10/2005 10:27:01
Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 14/10/2005 10:26:32
Smart bomb BS (any race)
Bonus: Smart Bombs only damage targetted ships, where at least one exists

{edit} Or similar - figure out the mechanics yourself

Derron Bel
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2005.10.14 10:56:00 - [14]

I think the tier 3 BS for Amarr should be a Super-Arbitrator of some kind.

A ship focused on smartbombs should get a capacitor use bonus for them, and it should be more oriented towards always having 1-2 smartbombs rather than minmaxing them. (That's just IMO.)

Douglas McCracken
Posted - 2005.10.14 11:03:00 - [15]

NO!! if they are going to make a tier 3 amarr bs id rather something with a bit more oomph than the Apoc something similar to the Bhaalgorn or Nightmare would be cool. Id also like to see an Amarr BS with a decent drone bay.

A smartbomb ship? I dont like the sound of that, if they are making a Tier 3 bs at least make it useful in empire or a BS with a Jumpdrive would be kind of cool for those who dont have multibillions of isk and uber characters.

Also the smartbomb is already overpowered since it does 100% damage to anything within range, it should behave more like missiles in my oppinion, i.e. damage reduced further from the centre of the explosion you are (1/r^2)

Octopus Foreign Legion
Blind Octopus
Posted - 2005.10.14 15:11:00 - [16]

great idea, this is the most un-useful ship in game. How am i gonna use this ship for empire pvp might i add?

Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2005.10.14 15:18:00 - [17]

Originally by: Papermate
great idea, this is the most un-useful ship in game. How am i gonna use this ship for empire pvp might i add?

If they finally changed Smartbombs to be 'smart' and only hit hostile targets, we could. Smile
Smartbombs are pretty. Really a shame you can hardly use them in empire PvP. Sad

STK Scientific
Posted - 2005.10.14 15:29:00 - [18]

Edited by: DarK on 14/10/2005 15:30:03

STK Scientific
Posted - 2005.10.14 15:30:00 - [19]

Amarr need a Khanid ship along the lines of the Sacrilege *grin*

Miner Protection Guild
Posted - 2005.10.14 16:08:00 - [20]

Edited by: Krulla on 14/10/2005 16:08:49
Originally by: DarK
Amarr need a Khanid ship along the lines of the Sacrilege *grin*

If I remember correctly, there are stats for a "Tech II apoc khanid" in the game client.

Although they were placeholders (just a regular apoc with HAC resistances), I do belive the tech II apoc will indeed be a khanid.

If it will be a big sacrilege, it will indeed be a big fat scary tank. A very big fat scary tank.

Unless of course CCP are smart and will not give the tech II BSs assault resistances.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2005.10.14 16:54:00 - [21]

If this ship wasn't too ******ed; perhaps having 7 turrets, 8 high slots total, and posessing one gun bonus (damage ideally) and one smartbomb bonus (10% to range per level should be minimum), mated with a slot layout and tanking ability of an Apoc, it'd be a pretty good ship for both PVP and PVE. 5 mids and 8 lows is way too much open real estate though, I was thinking either 5 mid and 7 low or four and eight.

I'd fly it at least some of the time, and it'd be an interesting innovation as opposed to "another gunboat" or "overgrown arbitrator"

Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2005.10.14 16:59:00 - [22]

So that would be -10% cap use on large turrets and 20% to large smartbomb range/level... sounds exciting >_>

Thomas Torquemada
Universal Peace Corp
Posted - 2005.10.14 17:00:00 - [23]

I hope your not serious, if you are, have a VERY big word with yourself.

Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.10.14 19:35:00 - [24]

I dont like it either

Id rather have a Amarr BS that is either long range, or has 6 med slots so it can EW.

And if your gonna make a SB ship, your range bonus has gotta go from 5% per level to 50% or 100% bonus per level or your primary weapon would be pretty sad.

Unfortunatly, making the smart bombs able to hit stuff easily would also make this gate campers dream ship.

I say screw the whole idea.

Posted - 2005.10.14 20:15:00 - [25]


Erius Burrol
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.10.14 20:28:00 - [26]

Worst idea... ever. Rolling Eyes

The Scope
Posted - 2005.10.14 20:48:00 - [27]

Amarr could use either a versi-bs with like a 6-6-6 layout... and a drone bonus... or a bs with huge grid and a energy turret optimal range bonus.

Posted - 2005.10.14 21:10:00 - [28]

I just want to see what it looks like.

Flying Weepo Squadron
Posted - 2005.10.14 21:45:00 - [29]

Edited by: CiaCheCait on 14/10/2005 21:46:24
1.)A "dedicated" Smartbomb ship should not have 3/4 of the high slots available as turret hardpoints.
2.)Smartbombs are not a uniquely Amarr invention.
3.)Imagine trying to chase down a target at 150m/s just to get it in range of your SBs.
4a.)This ship would be a gimmick, a toy for the rich boys to show off in Rens to impress the newbies.
4b.)The game doesn't NEED another gimmick ship.
5.)A tier 3 Battleship shouldn't be focused on a weapon that has an extremely specific use and huge drawbacks associated with a ship of that size.

Again, I don't see a need for a ship like this, not in the near future anyways, but if there were to be SB-specialized ships, they would have to be on smaller hulls that are more accustomed to going fast. It would have to be similar to stealth bombers, with bonuses to reduce PG and/or CPU of larger smartbombs, as stealth bombers have for fitting cruise launchers.


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