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Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2005.10.02 16:52:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Tenacha Khan
Yes I will kill him if I see him, but on the other hand Vorchal I would kill you if I saw you too YARRRR!!


Yes I lost quite a load to the Teddybears yesterday. You guys must have made a VERY healthy profit off me... But revenge shall be mine.Twisted Evil

Tenacha Khan
TunDraGon
Posted - 2005.10.02 17:01:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Scoundrelus

Yes I lost quite a load to the Teddybears yesterday. You guys must have made a VERY healthy profit off me... But revenge shall be mine.Twisted Evil



Thats what I like to hear YARRRR!!

TEK9
Caldari
Vale Tudo.
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2005.10.02 18:45:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Ok so a new player is upset because he lost alot of money (in his view) and the best you all can do is sit here and mock him? Wow talk about adding insult to injury. Honestly, dont you think at least a FEW of you could've just said "Ill kill em when I see em". Even if you WEREN'T going to do it, it would still make him feel better rather then leaving a sour taste in his mouth.


I'll kill him when I see him.

Ignore the asshats and chav trollers in the thread. It's lowsec and bad things happen unfortunately.

Anyway, I sent you some ISK to help you back on your feet. Everybody makes mistakes. Only fools repeat themWink


Can you please define 'asshat' and 'chav troller' as I'm not sure what they mean, but am pretty sure they're not compliments.

I also don't recall anyone insulting him, just a few of us giving him some useful advice and having a bit of a laugh at his expense, because we've all experienced losing a ship (or a few) playing Eve.

Don't think that by giving him a few isk and telling him you'll kill the person who ganked him gives you some kind or moral high ground to start insulting people. It doesn't.

Anyway, for your information I like to think of myself as a 'chav ass troller', which comes in handy if you live in Essex !!Wink

Lighten up mate, it's just a game.

Very Happy


Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2005.10.02 18:51:00 - [34]
 

Insult to injury means simply critisizing when you should be comforting. A lot of posts made in this thread could've been restated to seem alot less critisizing thats for sure.

Now ill sit back and wait for some smartass to come on and tell me that im critisizing the critisizers.

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2005.10.02 18:57:00 - [35]
 

If he crosses me and I have enough firepower to take him out, he's going home in a pod.

He too has attempted to pirate me, only that he wasnt successful against yours truly - my condolences.

Kaalinashi
Posted - 2005.10.02 19:16:00 - [36]
 

Keep one thing in mind. You have 3 character slots for 1 account. You can train your "Main" constantly, and keep him safe in Empire space. In the mean time you can create two other specialized characters, say a hauler pilot for example, or a courier in a fast frigate. If you are going to take the risk of buying things in low sec space, and going to get them, you should use your alt to do this. And as others have said, if you can't afford to lose something, keep it in 0.5 and above. You should take one of your alts and fly around the systems that you do business in, and see who does what to whom. Then if you want to buy something in low sec, fly the alt down to the station and if things look ok, then buy the items and get the hell out of there. No matter what you do, if you go into 0.4 and less, you are taking a calculated risk, so you should treat it as such, and try and lessen the risk as much as possible. There will be times when no amount of precautions will save you. I had a ship shot out from under me in Yulai a 1.0 system, because I tried to dock at the station while two warring corporations were fighting outside. Some idiot locked me and killed my ship, and Concord killed him. After that I used caution even in high security space, when there are ppl fighting.


Kaalinashi
CEO Farscape Mining
The Confederation

Shaitis
Caldari
Fallen Angel's
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2005.10.02 19:53:00 - [37]
 

All ppl here laughing out this poor guy R forgeting that killing 7 days old char is like saying to some guy... dont play this game. This noobs and new players R salt of this earth becasue only because of them this game growths etc.

There should be some short timed period FE 1-2 weeks for total newbies of auto insurance or replacing ship. I'm noob too... about 2 months, and I already lost 2 ships to human pirates and I was podded once, never complained BUT I was always prepared, always buying a ship if I got money for 2.... and FIT. after 2 weeks of game play U can easly have 3-5 mlns of ISK daily IN Secure sys, especialy in industrial.

crom ralphfao
Posted - 2005.10.02 21:32:00 - [38]
 

i feel your pain buddy.
at two months, i have started to learn a little about how this game works. i would recommend staying out of low sec space until you have the isk to replace your own ships or are part of a player corp that will "insure" you.

there are a few other things to be aware of. trust no one, trust no one, trust no one and finally.....trust no one.

there are people who pretend to be new to the game who derive fun from luring you out into low sec, just to set you up for a kill. there are corporate spies who join in order to gather intelligence or set up grand ganks. there are people who play this game in their underwear and have no scruples when it comes to getting a few chuckles from your demise.

all this is good, more danger equals more fun. watch your back, keep your eye on who is in system, become devious with false communications in local, dont fly ships in low sec that you cannot afford to lose and never pay a ransom.........its just fun to be podded when you have nothing to lose.

Godiva
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.10.02 23:40:00 - [39]
 

ROFLMAO what did you think was going to happen in low sec?

All I can say is congrats to Orgin for a job well done. YARRRR!!

Vorshal
Gallente
Posted - 2005.10.03 08:27:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Vorshal on 03/10/2005 08:27:54
The manner that Origin displayed after attacking and destroying my vessel is grounds enough for me to complain, not to mention the fact that I am new to EVE and that an Industrial vessel costs alot to a new player.

Let me just clarify that He dstroyed my Indy and podded me and then when I exited the station to get out of the system he destroyed my shuttle and then destroyed my pod.

Acts like this is by no means justified by piracy, because I was carrying no valuable cargo, any cargo that I did have he would have got from the destruction of my Indy.

He killed me for the pure purpose that he likes to grief, be it new or old players. He was camped by the station and his buddies were camped at the gate entering in the system, his friends were kind enough to let me through but as soon as he noticed me, he destroyed me.

Now from my experience in other MMORPG's to grief a player by ganking them is frowned upon, but gankers and griefers in EVE hide behind the game mechanics to warrant their un-gamely actions.

If new players are constantly hitting their head against a brick wall because of Ore Thieves and Griefing Pirates, then what incentive is there for them to continue playing if every bit of progress they make is taken away from them by immature people who like to annoy other players.

This is EVE and I am going to be sticking around, if it wasn't for the help of a few kind helpful players, I would have left a good few days ago and never returned.

Spending hours mining to by your first Indy and then to have someone destroy it just because they like to grief is in my books sad and damaging to the overall enjoyment of the game.

Mangus Thermopyle
Divine Retribution
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2005.10.03 09:52:00 - [41]
 

Lets face it, EVE is made for griefers. Personally I would feel bad if I jumped and killed a rookie, but thats me.

I dont know why griefers behave like that. Do they get a kick out of inflicting pain on others? If so, they need professional help.

Sadly EVE is a game thats made for griefers. A game that encourages this sort of behaviour, while punishing friendly people.

Resin Kadir
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.10.03 18:14:00 - [42]
 

People get ganked every day? Ever head of MAFIA? Get mad, get even, get layed. Just don't moan about something we all deal with.

Deja Thoris
Invicta.
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2005.10.03 18:37:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: TEK9


words

Very Happy




My comments werent aimed at you. Turn your sensetivity down a bit.

When a new player gets ganked a lot of people come in and say "haha noob".
Reread the posts. They tend more towards that than poking fun at him.

I knew it was a mistake pointing out I tried to help him get back on his feet, next time I'll keep it quiet.

Anyway, any specials on burberry hubcaps atm?Razz

Jezala
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
Posted - 2005.10.03 19:34:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Zepherchild
Dear sir ...


2) if you have no choice but to buy goods in dangerous areas either pay someone more skilled to retrive those goods or hire the service of a guard/escort to those areas


___________________________________________________________

Zeph.



You know...you don't even have to hire a guard. A decent scout and a proper set of bookmarks will significantly increase your suvival rate. It becomes a game of hide and seek and avoidance of combat. This is well within your abilities in terms of skills and finances.

Jezala
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
Posted - 2005.10.03 19:50:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Vorshal
Edited by: Vorshal on 03/10/2005 08:27:54

He killed me for the pure purpose that he likes to grief, be it new or old players. He was camped by the station and his buddies were camped at the gate entering in the system, his friends were kind enough to let me through but as soon as he noticed me, he destroyed me.

Now from my experience in other MMORPG's to grief a player by ganking them is frowned upon, but gankers and griefers in EVE hide behind the game mechanics to warrant their un-gamely actions.

If new players are constantly hitting their head against a brick wall because of Ore Thieves and Griefing Pirates, then what incentive is there for them to continue playing if every bit of progress they make is taken away from them by immature people who like to annoy other players.



The griefers and gankers are an important cornerstone to EVE's univerise and gameplay. They fulfill the role of supplying an unpredictable and dangerous element that makes life outside any station a bit hazardous.

Now people tend to say EVE has a steep learning curve due to game mechanics. IMO, the real learning curve is survival is low-sec and 0.0 space. You're going to have to learn to properly make use of the tools at your disposal, make proper risk assesments, and establish plans of action when you are in low security space. These are the skills that remain undocumented and can only be obtained through time and experience.

From my experience a good many of the griefers and gankers tend to be more risk adversive, can process real-time changes and react promptly, continuously asess their risks, employ the tools of the game properly and at time quite ingenously, and are more cool-headed. Don't make the mistake of belittling them b/c you disapprove of their actions.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2005.10.03 20:54:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Lets face it, EVE is made for griefers. Personally I would feel bad if I jumped and killed a rookie, but thats me.

I dont know why griefers behave like that. Do they get a kick out of inflicting pain on others? If so, they need professional help.

Sadly EVE is a game thats made for griefers. A game that encourages this sort of behaviour, while punishing friendly people.



Are you ever tired of being wrong, or is it something you're addicted to like crack? Yes it's only for griefers, that's why there are hundreds of systems protected by CONCORD, where some people have stayed for YEARs making BILLIONs at ZERO RISK.

So many people die in utterly moronic ways that sympathy is hard to give them, unless you're some bleeding heart. It's one thing to get popped in 1.0 space by someone like Miz, as that's not something you'd expect (but thankfully it can happen), but comeon, this guy died in low sec space because, like many other hermits, he flew an unarmed ship without an escort.

In short, Mangus, stfu. EVE would be dead or near-death if it was a fluffy and carebear as alot of people cry for.


For those of you who can't help but think everyone who rps an 'evil' person needs heal IRL, I'd like you to look in the mirror, and ask yourself if you can honestly tell between the real world and a game. It's pretty clear that you can't.

TEK9
Caldari
Vale Tudo.
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2005.10.03 22:36:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Deja Thoris
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Anyway, any specials on burberry hubcaps atm?Razz



No hard feelings mate, it must have been my time of the month Embarassed

Actually I'm out of burberry hubcaps, but do have very nice range of white stilettos, Ford Capris and a few sovereign rings, but hurry, they're going fast !Very Happy

But seriously to Vorshal, stick around mate. You'll soon learn that Eve can be harsh at times but is usually very rewarding and great fun. Who knows, one day you might decide to start griefing/ganking yourself. It really is a lot of fun.

Don't get mad, get even Twisted Evil

Yslath
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2005.10.04 04:29:00 - [48]
 

Ah. I remember that Origin guy. A real brave one, let me get a snippet from the kill mail I received afterwards. He had some balls coming after me!

Ah, here we go..

Victim: Yslath
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Brutor tribe
Destroyed Type: Minmatar Shuttle
Solar System: Resbroko
System Security Level: 0.4

Don't get upset about him. He's a sissy! Some of my old corp mates went out and camped Resbroko for him once and he just dissapeared. He's got no honor and even less guts.

Nice to know he's still there though. I completely forgot about him.. maybe I'll take some of my friends and go pay him a visit some time now.

Vorshal
Gallente
Posted - 2005.10.04 09:27:00 - [49]
 

Its nice to see him receiving the same hand that he deals.

His corporation I believe is at war with EV1l. So any EV1L members out there, if you kill him, bring me his body so I can display it in my hanger.

Thank you

Nocturnal Scavenger
Posted - 2005.10.04 09:29:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Vorshal
Edited by: Vorshal on 03/10/2005 08:27:54
The manner that Origin displayed after attacking and destroying my vessel is grounds enough for me to complain, not to mention the fact that I am new to EVE and that an Industrial vessel costs alot to a new player.


Etc.

Sadly you seem to not understand the numerous comments that followed your original post.

Plain and simple:

In low-sec you should expect to be killed on sight.


*you might want to reconsider your signature*

Druid R
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
Posted - 2005.10.04 10:27:00 - [51]
 

to be fair things are a lot better now than they uised to be. i remeber when i was new to game, doignt he same thing, jumping into 0.4 to get some stuff i bought on the cheap. No sentries at gates and u didnt come out cloaked. By the time my client loaded i was sat in my pod scrambled and a ransom being demanded. Being the noob i was i smacked and was left with the line 'say hello to your clone for me'.

In eve losses hurt, everybody says dont fly what you cant afford to replace, and everybody is like yeah whatever, but it is really the golden rule. Corpmate bought a hac bit b4 he was ready for it skillwise and lost it and now he's screwed, gotta mine in a rubbishy cruiser as it isnt good enough for lvl 4 missions.

Learn your lesson, buy from secure space, check map to see number of players/pods killed in last hour, take risks only when you can afford to.

Matrix Aran
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.10.07 00:45:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Vorshal
Edited by: Vorshal on 02/10/2005 04:36:15
Now I am a young pilot and I dont expect to be fired upon when I am in a passive vessel that has no weapons or valuable cargo.

Origin claimed he was a pirate, but what kind of pirate does that make him if he just kills me without getting any monetary gain?

Personally I think he is a pretty poor pirate and therefore I want nothing but revenge for the loss I have sustained.


Hello Vorshal,

I represent the pirate group that has interests in Resbroko. Let me begin by saying i have only read your post and I will not answer any of the replys to it.

Unfortunatly when you clicked on that little notice that poped up before you jumped into Resbroko (0.4 security system) You accepted the fact that you will probably be shot when you enter the system. I will talk to origin as he seems to have neglected to offer you our insureance system. For new players we make generous discounts but it usualy works out to 1-2 mil per day for a pass.

I'm sorry you got blown up but you should learn to treat 0.4 space like you would treat contested teritory in a WOW PvP server. Unfortunatly eve does not have a seperate server for those who do not like this so if you do not wish to be fired upon stay in 0.5 or above.

If you plan on going into 0.4 bring an armed ship, make sure you have instajumps and always check local for pirates. Again I am sorry for your loss but we are just doing our jobs. Most pilots who have decent stuff move too fast to allow us to check via ship scanners so we simply end up shooting everything. We already are suffering the penalty for our actions, the game does not allow us to travel in 0.5 or above space.

NAT Mav
TribalWar Inc
Posted - 2005.10.07 04:09:00 - [53]
 

It's just part of growing up in EVE. You'll lose many more ships and learn a lesson each time you do. I lost my first Indy at about the same point in my EVE life, and now I lead a corp that is celebrating its one-month anniversary of living in 0.0, seven weeks after I logged into the server for the first time.

Go out, make some friends, learn to use the map and various chat channels to your advantage, and most importantly learn how to avoid being tackled.

NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2005.10.07 04:11:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: NAT Mav
It's just part of growing up in EVE. You'll lose many more ships and learn a lesson each time you do. I lost my first Indy at about the same point in my EVE life, and now I lead a corp that is celebrating its one-month anniversary of living in 0.0, seven weeks after I logged into the server for the first time.

Go out, make some friends, learn to use the map and various chat channels to your advantage, and most importantly learn how to avoid being tackled.



Grrr wrong character. Mad

Sambo
Caldari
Old Warriors
Pax Familia
Posted - 2005.10.09 11:45:00 - [55]
 

Vorshal if your ready to quit after 1 ship loss you should try earth and beyond it has zero pvp almost like everyone is on tranquilizers. Either way being new you have no business in 0.4 or below. Lastly we mostly like old biker gang than pirates most of us way past our 30s bunch of old southern rednecks into booze , women and barroom brawls. Go to the richmans bar and u safe come to the saloon wearing a suit and you prolly gonna get a mudhole stomped in u A@@ and walked dry. I hope this is a lesson to ya nothing personal.

Teles666
Caldari
Free Space Tech
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2005.10.10 08:19:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Teles666 on 10/10/2005 08:24:45
Originally by: Vorshal
Its all very well telling me not to go back into low sec space, but I had bought 3 huge secure cans there so that I can mine more safely. I went in my indy to pick them up and would have had to make 3 journeys. Now my secure cans are stuck in that system and I have wasted alot of ISk along with loosing my Industrial.

And I will never forget his name....Origin


I got popped in my first cruiser, wasn't fitted for fighting, just picking up a shopping list of stuff I got off market - was only a couple of jumps and didn't even realise I'd brought from low sec.

Sound off watching TV - saw some flashes out the corner of my eye - that was the last of my armour :)

Never mind, lost some nice XR-3200 heavy's but I only had a couple fitted and only had some standard BCU's in the hold.

I said I'd never forget the space trash who ganked me - errm, well I'm sure I wrote it down somewhere, began with an R I think Smile

So if you fly a mega and your name starts with an R - watch out Laughing

Seriously though - I learned how they gank at stations (he warped instant I was dead, when I came back out in newb ship to get my loot his un-flagged mate was just leaving with my stuff). I learned how fast a mega with 425mm rails can strip the shields and armour from a cruiser.

And most importantly - I learned to check the sec of a system before buying from market Very Happy


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