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Ethan Scarlet
Posted - 2005.09.28 01:44:00 - [1]
 

I read somewhere that the rifter and the kestrel were 2 very good choices as a starter ship for newer pirates. However it didn't really give much in the way of pros and cons of choosing one ship over the other. Anyone have any opinions or advice about these 2 ships or have a different one entirely to recommend? Thanks

Kyle Caldrel
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.09.28 01:51:00 - [2]
 

Rifter- fast, good dmg, agile, light

Kessy- better dmg, slow as snot, handles like a stuck pig, really good dmg, 3 midslots.

Rasitiln
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.09.28 01:57:00 - [3]
 

personally I like a punisher better then the lot of them good cap but its slow as a snail so a mwd is a must.

FalloutBoy
Posted - 2005.09.28 04:36:00 - [4]
 

my favorite is a incursus fited like:

3xLight Neutrons
MWD Web Scram
Cap Relay MAPC

ParMizaN
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
Posted - 2005.09.28 06:51:00 - [5]
 

Best way to decide is try them for yourself, but in my opinion the rifter is the bes as it is the fastest, while still being tough and dealin ok damage.

ABOUTA BRAEK
Posted - 2005.09.28 07:35:00 - [6]
 

I'm going to say go with the Kestrel. Damage-wise, they're probably at about the same level. The difference is that the Kestrel gets that extra mid slot so it can run an AB, a Webber, and a Scrambler at the same time. The Rifter might be fine with a AB/MWD and a Scrambler, but I enjoy having all three of those things to lock someone down with.

If that's not an issue (if you're pirating with friends who will handle tackling), then go with whatever ship you think looks the coolest. Just outfit it with whatever weapons will do a good deal of damage and you'll be set.

Zephirz
Cruoris Seraphim
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2005.09.28 09:30:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Zephirz on 28/09/2005 09:30:30
I noticed recentley that even with my set of skills the kestrel does more dmg than the rifter.. i can use tech 2 small projectiles but bit of a waste fitting 900k guns on a 250k ship so i used regular 200mm's a nos, ab scrambler, and some low stff very simple fitting.... i got a bit bored and took on some angel raiders and my dmg was an average of 20... while with an alt i flew a kestrel with rockets right in the first hours, took on a few angel raiders and got average of 30 dmg.. with no skills at all.. and much higher dps.. so the kestrel pwns the rifter In everything but speed...

Mr MadCap
Posted - 2005.09.28 09:40:00 - [8]
 

My punisher rocks for pvp, even with a mwd on i can run either guns+scram+armor rep II, or MWD+guns+scram. Shes a beut, and i wub her.

ABOUTA BRAEK
Posted - 2005.09.28 09:47:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: ABOUTA BRAEK on 28/09/2005 09:47:21
Originally by: Zephirz
Edited by: Zephirz on 28/09/2005 09:30:30
I noticed recentley that even with my set of skills the kestrel does more dmg than the rifter..

Replace one of the Rockets on the Kestrel with a Nos or replace the Nos on the Rifter with a Rocket Launcher. It's not fair comparing 4 weapons against 3 weapons.
Doing either should probably give you more accurate results.

Greyshadow
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Posted - 2005.09.28 09:47:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Greyshadow on 28/09/2005 09:47:00
I'd say kestrel, been using them for rat killing in 0.5, got through a few while getting setup right but can now sustain shields while dealing out 36.5 damage per rocket. Its not too slow either get over 500m/s

Suladriel
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2005.09.28 11:27:00 - [11]
 

Before the missile changes, I was 100% Rifter as you could outrun missiles without any problems.

Now though I would suggest the Kestrel, although it is a bit flimsy.

Peronally I love the Incursus fitted with Ion blasters. Mr Madcap and I have been having a lot of fun flying around in frigates recently. o/

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.09.28 11:28:00 - [12]
 

Haveing flown both, I favour the kestrel.

Rifters are fast, but that extra midslot on the kestrel makes a big difference. Must haves for PvP IMO are afterburners (or an MWD) and scramblers. That leaves none at all left on a rifter, where on a kestrel you can still fit:
A webber for killing other frigates
A tracking disruptor for killing cruisers (And battleships, but you're pretty unlikely to be able to break a tank on a BS)
A dampener if you're going after a BS in a gang. (1 isn't stunning, 4 cripples them :))

Also having all the same weapon type improves effectiveness of damage mods. (Kestrel, 4 top end rocket launchers and 2 ballistic controls just tears things to shreds)

Both ships have the advantage that they can do multi-coloured damage, so it's important to keep track of what the weakest resistance on a target is likely to be. The difference is that rifer does multiple types with single ammo, but it's optimal ranges change as you switch 'colours'.

Don't get hung up on the fact that kestrels get damage bonuses to kinetic - +5% per level is nice, but lots of ships are well tanked against kinetic damage. (well, serpentis/guristas NPC fits).


FoRGyL
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
Posted - 2005.09.28 11:51:00 - [13]
 

Only thing I have to say is that I haven't heard the word/name Kestrel sooo many times for a long time !

Might point u in a direction YARRRR!!


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alphawolf2929
The Scope
Posted - 2005.09.28 12:09:00 - [14]
 

kestrel is a really newb-friendly ship....orbit and spam missiles.. rifter prolly does better damage tho, if you know how to fly one and have good skills

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.09.28 12:23:00 - [15]
 

The kestrel can kill any interceptor or AF in EVE with some luck, a lot of skill, and a good fitting.

H0ot
Posted - 2005.09.28 12:45:00 - [16]
 

I would say Rifter. I never really liked Kestrels, infact I kept losing them a while ago on a daily basis.

Balklanac
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.09.28 13:37:00 - [17]
 

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Psycarne
Minmatar
Guerrilla Tactics
Posted - 2005.09.28 16:40:00 - [18]
 

Rifter = win. Missles just seem to do such crap damage versus other frigates.

Doctor Yes
Yellowjackets
Posted - 2005.09.28 19:33:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: alphawolf2929
kestrel is a really newb-friendly ship....orbit and spam missiles.. rifter prolly does better damage tho, if you know how to fly one and have good skills


So how would you fly the rifter? keep your distance and spam shells?

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2005.09.29 08:39:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
The kestrel can kill any interceptor or AF in EVE with some luck, a lot of skill, and a good fitting.


My corp and I did exactly what you said, took down a PvP skilled Crow with a kessie or two.

Kestrel FTW!

sariss
GreenSwarm
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2005.09.29 10:17:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
The kestrel can kill any interceptor or AF in EVE with some luck, a lot of skill, and a good fitting.


The Rifter can do that too, maybe even better.

Lord Aradon
Caldari
Fun Inc
Black-Out
Posted - 2005.09.29 10:26:00 - [22]
 

Im not sure on the maths but im pretty certain the kessie can do more DPS with rockets compared to a rifter.
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FooB2
Caldari
KR0M
Posted - 2005.09.29 11:52:00 - [23]
 

im suprised noones mentioned this yet, but the only person who can tell you which is better out of the rifter/kestrel is YOU.

open up your skillsheet, and take a good look. whats your rockets skill at? your missile skills? maybe your gunnery skills, small projectile trained well? you tell me.

a rifter with small projectile 4 is going to win over a kestrel with rockets 1 and no missile skills, and vice versa. maybe it turns out you have small pulse laser spec 5? then go amarr/punisher. small rails/blaster spec? go gallente.

a ship is only as good as its pilot

Fox'Ray
No Limit Productions
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2005.10.13 15:35:00 - [24]
 

Just gotta say Rifter 4TW

Fox

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.10.13 15:47:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: sariss
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The kestrel can kill any interceptor or AF in EVE with some luck, a lot of skill, and a good fitting.


The Rifter can do that too, maybe even better.

The kestrel can do one thing that the Rifter cannot--it can do equal damage at any range ~8km or less, without ever worrying about tracking.

Oh, but the main reason is, it only has two midslots. You need 3 midslots--warp scrambler, and TWO WEBS. Without two webs you cannot immobilize an inty like you need to.

Bazman
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2005.10.13 16:14:00 - [26]
 

A rifter can gank any other frig without even bothering with its meds

3 x 280mm Arties, a bunch of gyros, kills frigs dead in 1 or 2 volleys :P

Xtro 2
Caldari
El Bastardos
EVESpace
Posted - 2005.10.13 16:19:00 - [27]
 

Tristans are also quite nimble/usefull little ships.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.10.13 16:38:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Bazman
A rifter can gank any other frig without even bothering with its meds

3 x 280mm Arties, a bunch of gyros, kills frigs dead in 1 or 2 volleys :P

Can it kill a blaster Enyo?

Doubt it'll even get through its shields before it gets too close to be hit.

Gally Princess
Posted - 2005.10.13 16:43:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Bazman
A rifter can gank any other frig without even bothering with its meds

3 x 280mm Arties, a bunch of gyros, kills frigs dead in 1 or 2 volleys :P

Can it kill a blaster Enyo?

Doubt it'll even get through its shields before it gets too close to be hit.


Enyo isn't a frig silly, it's a monster. Rifter would probably pwn the incursus if the incursus decided to approach like a fool (i.e. straight in with MWD on)

R31D
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.10.13 19:34:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: R31D on 13/10/2005 19:39:47
Originally by: ABOUTA BRAEK
Edited by: ABOUTA BRAEK on 28/09/2005 09:47:21
Originally by: Zephirz
Edited by: Zephirz on 28/09/2005 09:30:30
I noticed recentley that even with my set of skills the kestrel does more dmg than the rifter..

Replace one of the Rockets on the Kestrel with a Nos or replace the Nos on the Rifter with a Rocket Launcher. It's not fair comparing 4 weapons against 3 weapons.
Doing either should probably give you more accurate results.


people fit a nos on Rifters?

Originally by: Psycarne
Rifter = win. Missles just seem to do such crap damage versus other frigates.


4x rockets do rather nice damage. Even standard missiles do good damage, even when an enemy frig is MWDing


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