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Soren
Caldari
PAK
Posted - 2005.09.12 05:25:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Soren on 28/10/2005 04:54:11
Recently PAK actually decided to recruit, but unfortunately things didn't work out well. The first recruit made off with a Vagabond, and if a "friend" can't be trusted as a member with such a small piece of cake then they can't be trusted with the gravy.

As a result I will be keeping PAK to myself, I don't want you, and you probably don't want anything to do with me (or care).

PAK has reset all standings to -10 (of the few I had positive) and has adopted a *snip* off policy.

PAK will not be recruiting unless Sara Kerrigan returns from the WoW whoring and decides that's her thing. (Warhound doesn't count *cough*)

Well.. maybe a few recruits Wink *Yes I edited incase someone thought to pull-up this thread when PAK has new members Cool*

Voltron
Caldari
Black Lance
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2005.09.12 05:28:00 - [2]
 

erm.......why'd you give a new recruit access to a corp hac?

Volt

Soren
Caldari
PAK
Posted - 2005.09.12 05:31:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Voltron
erm.......why'd you give a new recruit access to a corp hac?

Volt


I've known him for a few months now. It was a test.. if I can't trust him with 50M (as it is only 50M ) what's the point in having him as a wingman?

Wasn't just some recruitment channel newbie.

Voltron
Caldari
Black Lance
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2005.09.12 05:34:00 - [4]
 

gotcha, fair enough.

Gift
Amarr
Loot
Pirate Coalition
Posted - 2005.09.12 06:11:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Gift on 12/09/2005 06:10:10
Originally by: Soren
PAK will not be recruiting unless Sara Kerrigan returns from the WoW whoring and decides that's her thing.
awe, I was just gonna put my app inCrying or Very sad

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2005.09.12 07:25:00 - [6]
 

You should join eve-uni. We love you Soren Very Happy

DigitalCommunist
Gallente
November Corporation
Posted - 2005.09.12 07:33:00 - [7]
 

If I were you I'd post their name, then I would just grief that person out of at least twice as much isk. Does he have implants? :D

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2005.09.12 07:41:00 - [8]
 

I think you should name and shame.

Randay
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2005.09.12 08:20:00 - [9]
 

can i join?

David Goodwill
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2005.09.12 09:04:00 - [10]
 

DON'T HOMOUR THE ALT!!!oneoen Shocked

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.09.12 09:23:00 - [11]
 

Soren, you must have been very unlucky dude with your recruit ugh



Ohh, and please name and shame, maybe the guy tries the same with some other pirate corps

Rillian
Caldari
Black Lance
Posted - 2005.09.12 10:48:00 - [12]
 

Hey yas Soren , so thats where the Queen has gotten off to :P was wondering why I had not seen you guys on.

Also PAK is a very honerable Pirate corp, If they ever catch me :P I would ransom as they hold their word and would not pop you after paying.

Sorry about the theft mate if you send me his name I will watch out and pop him one for yas

Vader Crane
Minmatar
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.09.12 12:49:00 - [13]
 

Soren.. shame to hear ... :(

Soren
Caldari
PAK
Posted - 2005.09.12 13:24:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Soren on 12/09/2005 15:51:05
The pilot is Piscis, he seemed kind of lame and I should have seen it comming but was willing to give it a try.

He talks alot.. about his uber gearz and it seems he does have the isk (flying navy thron few days ago). If you want at him expect good loot.

tbh I'm drawing conclusions.. but he removed his roles, blocked me, took the Vaga, and had lied to me more then once. I even realised it long before the escrow was accepted but seeing as you can't cancel a personal escrow couldn't do *snip*, and the helpfulRolling Eyes GM wouldn't help either.


Trey Azagthoth
Gallente
T3AM America
Wicked Nation
Posted - 2005.09.12 13:29:00 - [15]
 

It pains me to see something like this happen, but rest assured Ill do all I can to make his life miserable.

Unbeleever
Minmatar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
Posted - 2005.09.12 14:42:00 - [16]
 

Corp theft is lame sorry to hear. Hey soren we will have to finish that wolf dual we started some day Wink

danneh
Amarr
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2005.09.12 16:56:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: danneh on 12/09/2005 16:56:23
Nevermind.

Soren
Caldari
PAK
Posted - 2005.09.12 19:59:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Soren on 12/09/2005 20:02:47
It sounds like accounts were sold and the person piscis (on a different account now) has my vagabond although I'm still not sure what's going on..

Power says that he's uber and I to have to recruit him back so he can bum a F.A.G.(you know.. a UK smoke Wink)

Shhh... she is new. No talking about moderation... email instead. Wink - Vanamonde

Amataras
Minmatar
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2005.09.12 20:07:00 - [19]
 

good luck in getting your revenge Soren

Tenacha Khan
Minmatar
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.09.12 20:36:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 12/09/2005 20:37:51
Originally by: Soren
Edited by: Soren on 12/09/2005 15:51:05
The pilot is Piscis, he seemed kind of lame and I should have seen it comming but was willing to give it a try.

He talks alot.. about his uber gearz and it seems he does have the isk (flying navy thron few days ago). If you want at him expect good loot.

tbh I'm drawing conclusions.. but he removed his roles, blocked me, took the Vaga, and had lied to me more then once. I even realised it long before the escrow was accepted but seeing as you can't cancel a personal escrow couldn't do *snip*, and the helpfulRolling Eyes GM wouldn't help either.


I turned him down for tundragon two weeks agoShocked

Im sorry to hear something like this happened to you, but your alot better off loosing one vaga now instead of having some1 your not sure about by yourside. Atleast he didnt go around and **** up your corps rep.


GoGo Yubari
Gallente
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2005.09.12 21:34:00 - [21]
 

Blah that sucks, Soren.

Do call me for the BBQ once you get his corpse.

Ajaya
Gallente
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2005.09.12 21:48:00 - [22]
 

There was a time when Piscis was a reliable, trustworthy, solid corp mate. And as much as it pains me, he's turned into a liar, and aparently a theif. I keep hoping that the things he's done and the lies he's told have some good explanations, but the more and more I've seen of what he's done, I know that there can't be any good explanation for it.

It's sad really, I like the guy. A lot of people in my corp thought of him as a good friend. I know that not a single one of us trust him anymore and I think most of us aren't going to try to be friends with him anymore. I personally feel very badly for Soren because I know what it's like first hand to be lied to by Piscis so I share what he feels, but I also felt that maybe if Contraband had caught onto this behavior earlier others wouldn't have had to suffer because of it in the future.

But my ranting aside, after danneh pointed me to this thread this morning, I talked to Soren and did some research and found out that piscis basicly used a corp mate's alt to claim this hac on escrow from soren, then trade it to a new char he had bought from another corp mate of mine recently. He had actually sold the char piscis a few days ago, but the had had been escrowed to this alt which he had aparently told Soren was his own alt. So basicly, since we found out that the guy who owned piscis had basicly been lying to us for a while about various things, we kicked his new character he had bought from our corp a day or so ago. By looking at the logs from the alt he used, I was able to verify that he did infact trade the vagabond to his new char as of less than a day ago, and then I heard today that he was trying to sell this vagabond to another corp mate of mine last night (lol?).

Anyways, I've sent him an eve-mail asking what is going on. If he doesn't return the vagabond to Soren, I will ensure personally that it gets replaced for Soren. Even though we can't control what the previous owner of Piscis does or did, I still feel responsible in a way, and I also feel it reflects poorly on my corp the actions that he's taken since the few days since he left our corp.

Soren
Caldari
PAK
Posted - 2005.09.12 23:57:00 - [23]
 

The conclusions?

First of all I want to give Contraband Inc. (Ajaya especially) +rep points. They were nothing but helpful about sorting this out even though it was really no longer their problem.

Now tbh.. I don't know what to believe. It was all one BIG messy situation. It all came down to bad communication, or one poorly planned scam. It is really all too confusing to explain properly so I won't go into detail.

I did get a Vagabond back, and in the end there isn't anything solid to hold against the old Piscis besides being kept in the dark and bad timing.

Matt - I'm sorry if you really were trying but I wouldn't give it another shot. The whole deal was too sketchy. I don't know if you care to still keep in touch, but that's your choice.


slothe
Caldari
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas.
Posted - 2005.09.13 00:16:00 - [24]
 

all i can say is...

you put gravy on cake?

ewwwww


Trey Azagthoth
Gallente
T3AM America
Wicked Nation
Posted - 2005.09.13 01:11:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ajaya
There was a time when Piscis was a reliable, trustworthy, solid corp mate. And as much as it pains me, he's turned into a liar, and aparently a theif. I keep hoping that the things he's done and the lies he's told have some good explanations, but the more and more I've seen of what he's done, I know that there can't be any good explanation for it.

It's sad really, I like the guy. A lot of people in my corp thought of him as a good friend. I know that not a single one of us trust him anymore and I think most of us aren't going to try to be friends with him anymore. I personally feel very badly for Soren because I know what it's like first hand to be lied to by Piscis so I share what he feels, but I also felt that maybe if Contraband had caught onto this behavior earlier others wouldn't have had to suffer because of it in the future.

But my ranting aside, after danneh pointed me to this thread this morning, I talked to Soren and did some research and found out that piscis basicly used a corp mate's alt to claim this hac on escrow from soren, then trade it to a new char he had bought from another corp mate of mine recently. He had actually sold the char piscis a few days ago, but the had had been escrowed to this alt which he had aparently told Soren was his own alt. So basicly, since we found out that the guy who owned piscis had basicly been lying to us for a while about various things, we kicked his new character he had bought from our corp a day or so ago. By looking at the logs from the alt he used, I was able to verify that he did infact trade the vagabond to his new char as of less than a day ago, and then I heard today that he was trying to sell this vagabond to another corp mate of mine last night (lol?).

Anyways, I've sent him an eve-mail asking what is going on. If he doesn't return the vagabond to Soren, I will ensure personally that it gets replaced for Soren. Even though we can't control what the previous owner of Piscis does or did, I still feel responsible in a way, and I also feel it reflects poorly on my corp the actions that he's taken since the few days since he left our corp.


Respect.

Trina Tron
Gallente
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2005.09.13 02:57:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ajaya
There was a time when Piscis was a reliable, trustworthy, solid corp mate. And as much as it pains me, he's turned into a liar, and aparently a theif. I keep hoping that the things he's done and the lies he's told have some good explanations, but the more and more I've seen of what he's done, I know that there can't be any good explanation for it.

It's sad really, I like the guy. A lot of people in my corp thought of him as a good friend. I know that not a single one of us trust him anymore and I think most of us aren't going to try to be friends with him anymore. I personally feel very badly for Soren because I know what it's like first hand to be lied to by Piscis so I share what he feels, but I also felt that maybe if Contraband had caught onto this behavior earlier others wouldn't have had to suffer because of it in the future.

But my ranting aside, after danneh pointed me to this thread this morning, I talked to Soren and did some research and found out that piscis basicly used a corp mate's alt to claim this hac on escrow from soren, then trade it to a new char he had bought from another corp mate of mine recently. He had actually sold the char piscis a few days ago, but the had had been escrowed to this alt which he had aparently told Soren was his own alt. So basicly, since we found out that the guy who owned piscis had basicly been lying to us for a while about various things, we kicked his new character he had bought from our corp a day or so ago. By looking at the logs from the alt he used, I was able to verify that he did infact trade the vagabond to his new char as of less than a day ago, and then I heard today that he was trying to sell this vagabond to another corp mate of mine last night (lol?).

Anyways, I've sent him an eve-mail asking what is going on. If he doesn't return the vagabond to Soren, I will ensure personally that it gets replaced for Soren. Even though we can't control what the previous owner of Piscis does or did, I still feel responsible in a way, and I also feel it reflects poorly on my corp the actions that he's taken since the few days since he left our corp.


<3

crazy
Minmatar
Exanimo Inc
Posted - 2005.09.13 04:03:00 - [27]
 

:/ sorry soren

Godar Marak
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2005.09.13 08:07:00 - [28]
 

This is the worst attention seeking post EVER!

Corp theft happens all the time, and you just lost a hac pffft.
People have lost a hell lot more and they dont make stupid "ooh look at me" posts.

Soren
Caldari
PAK
Posted - 2005.09.13 13:00:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Godar Marak
This is the worst attention seeking post EVER!

Corp theft happens all the time, and you just lost a hac pffft.
People have lost a hell lot more and they dont make stupid "ooh look at me" posts.


lol, alright (alt I assume? can't check atm). If I were seeking attention I would go to ships and modules and ask for a nerf of the Navitas because with it's -60% mining laser cap use, and ability to fit one miner 2, I think it'll crash the market and ruin the economics in Eve.

This is a post letting people know what has happened.. If you don't care about me or my corp then feck off k? I'll do the same in your threads.

super4lt
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.09.13 15:09:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Soren
Originally by: Godar Marak
This is the worst attention seeking post EVER!

Corp theft happens all the time, and you just lost a hac pffft.
People have lost a hell lot more and they dont make stupid "ooh look at me" posts.


lol, alright (alt I assume? can't check atm). If I were seeking attention I would go to ships and modules and ask for a nerf of the Navitas because with it's -60% mining laser cap use, and ability to fit one miner 2, I think it'll crash the market and ruin the economics in Eve.

This is a post letting people know what has happened.. If you don't care about me or my corp then feck off k? I'll do the same in your threads.



super4lt will side with you both in this debate. superalt belive Godar Marak is right but Soren is also right.
Godar ignore posts if you dont like them, and Soren this thread was really unnecessary.

superalt decides that both of you need to reflect on your shortcomings and hope you will live long and prosper.


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