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Arud
Amarr
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
Posted - 2005.09.10 15:56:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Wraithstorm
We are handling this delicate situation as best we can... All I can say is for those involved: Consider CATCH FIX territory. WHEN we move in to establish this we will afford everyone the chance to clear out peacefully. We will go no further. We will not engage either entity. We will not side with anyone in this conflict.



so is Fix getting involved in the civil war? yes or no

Amthrianius
Gallente
Keiretsu
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.09.10 15:56:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Wraithstorm
HED GP will remain open. FIX is not trying to cause ripples here guys. Give us time to get all this going, but yes HED-GP and main travel routes will more then likely remain open.


Its not just whether they are open its whether you claim that route in any way, shape or form. If you do, then, thats a BIG issue.

The Enslaver
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2005.09.10 15:59:00 - [33]
 

And the rest of Catch?

I trust you wouldn't do something such as, close off Catch to the surrounding alliances.

Diamond Dog
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:00:00 - [34]
 

Ok so now you have only the Stain Region left..

As Esoteria and Paragon Soul are under SA control.. uncontested if I might add.


Christopher Multsanti
Amarr
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:02:00 - [35]
 

I smell something.


oh, its the south on fire!

Khaerie
Amarr
The Empire Nation
Worlds End Consortium
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:06:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Wraithstorm
We are handling this delicate situation as best we can... All I can say is for those involved: Consider CATCH FIX territory. WHEN we move in to establish this we will afford everyone the chance to clear out peacefully. We will go no further. We will not engage either entity. We will not side with anyone in this conflict.



so is Fix getting involved in the civil war? yes or no


For you, I will repeat myself. FIX is not getting involved in the war, this has nothing to do with the war. We have not asked them to get involved in the war at all.

Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:09:00 - [37]
 

may I remind FIX and SE that Stain in any form or shape claimed anything north of B-3? ie U-q - HED has never been claimed by anyone since in essence noone is able to claim this.

Or has FIX or SE now grabbed the rest of Catch aswell? not a wise move in my opinion.

You'll end up stepping on too many toes with this one...

thebold
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:09:00 - [38]
 

As far as I can see SE currently holds CATCH.

SA has planed now for this weekend to move in and dispute this claim.

We moved in this morning long before this post was made.

FIX are interfering with our war. We ask that FIX step back allow us to finish our war and then approach us about CATCH.

At the moment we feel that neither side has the authority to give/barging land until the dispute is settled.

Arud
Amarr
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:11:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Khaerie
Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Wraithstorm
We are handling this delicate situation as best we can... All I can say is for those involved: Consider CATCH FIX territory. WHEN we move in to establish this we will afford everyone the chance to clear out peacefully. We will go no further. We will not engage either entity. We will not side with anyone in this conflict.



so is Fix getting involved in the civil war? yes or no


For you, I will repeat myself. FIX is not getting involved in the war, this has nothing to do with the war. We have not asked them to get involved in the war at all.


This are the regions claimed by the start of the Stain civil war, as soon as the civil war started all Stain Empire claimed areas are contested. All who get involved in conflict in those areas outside of the SA/SE are frankly put getting involved.

Is Fix getting involved?

Taz Devlin
Minmatar
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:13:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Wraithstorm
FIX is not trying to cause ripples here guys.

Too late

Amataras
Minmatar
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:13:00 - [41]
 

Alliance politics at its best!

Good stuff! Twisted Evil

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:14:00 - [42]
 

Mountains out of molehills in this thread.

Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
Caldari
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:16:00 - [43]
 

relax and wait for an announcement

thelung187
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:18:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: thelung187 on 10/09/2005 16:22:43
nevermind

UnIQu3
Amarr
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:18:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Wraithstorm
HED GP will remain open. FIX is not trying to cause ripples here guys. Give us time to get all this going, but yes HED-GP and main travel routes will more then likely remain open.


Not trying trying to cause ripples - then stay out.

PPhearr
Gallente
Coffee Productions Inc.
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:19:00 - [46]
 

FIX will NOT be closing off travel routes, we are not going to prevent other alliances reaching their space. Our borders will be defined in due course but we have no interest in space that is merely used as a travel route (much as FIX does NOT control Querious north of K7D). The areas of Catch which was not claimed by SE will obviously not be claimed by FIX.

Destroyer Draxx
Caldari
Astral Projection Inc.
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:21:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 10/09/2005 16:23:58
I for one wellcome FIX claiming FAT, as long as we have the same rights in that part of space as SE does. To clarify if FIX close down FAT area (not talking bout the corridir which everyone knows will never be fully controlled by anyone)I expect it to be closed to both SA n SE (Thats called neutrality unless FIX dont wish to remain neutral). The only thing that I regret is fighting for the area with FIX. Smart move by SE who are trying to get everyone n their mothers involved in this conflict since the begining.
A quick question to FIX. Will the SE Poses be removed from the area or just be handed over? And if they just change ownership will SE have docking rights there?
Grats on the new region, u guys deserved it ;)


PS : I though u quit from ur official position Khaerie ;P .Wb Laughing

This is my personal opinion on the situation.

Thorval
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:22:00 - [48]
 

Any way you sugarcoat this with words trying desperately to make it sound logical and reasonable,
Everyone knows that this is just Fix meddling in a civil war.
All of the south knows that SE space is contested in a civil war and SE "giving" Catch to Fix is plainly a desperate attempt to make their defeat less embarrassing.

Khaerie
Amarr
The Empire Nation
Worlds End Consortium
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:22:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Khaerie
Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Wraithstorm
We are handling this delicate situation as best we can... All I can say is for those involved: Consider CATCH FIX territory. WHEN we move in to establish this we will afford everyone the chance to clear out peacefully. We will go no further. We will not engage either entity. We will not side with anyone in this conflict.



so is Fix getting involved in the civil war? yes or no


For you, I will repeat myself. FIX is not getting involved in the war, this has nothing to do with the war. We have not asked them to get involved in the war at all.


This are the regions claimed by the start of the Stain civil war, as soon as the civil war started all Stain Empire claimed areas are contested. All who get involved in conflict in those areas outside of the SA/SE are frankly put getting involved.

Is Fix getting involved?


This is not true Arud. According to the maps our area, at best, would be considered a war zone. We held it, we owned the station and you guys were definitely not in the area when the deal was even closed.

YEAH BABY
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:22:00 - [50]
 

Signed

DjDangle
Caldari
The Fraternal Association of Killer Squibs
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:22:00 - [51]
 

lmfao, this thread is funny,

Fair play to Fix and SE for doing it the diplomatic way.

Even if you have upset some "other" people heheLaughingLaughing

Arud
Amarr
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:24:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Khaerie
Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Khaerie
Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Wraithstorm
We are handling this delicate situation as best we can... All I can say is for those involved: Consider CATCH FIX territory. WHEN we move in to establish this we will afford everyone the chance to clear out peacefully. We will go no further. We will not engage either entity. We will not side with anyone in this conflict.



so is Fix getting involved in the civil war? yes or no


For you, I will repeat myself. FIX is not getting involved in the war, this has nothing to do with the war. We have not asked them to get involved in the war at all.


This are the regions claimed by the start of the Stain civil war, as soon as the civil war started all Stain Empire claimed areas are contested. All who get involved in conflict in those areas outside of the SA/SE are frankly put getting involved.

Is Fix getting involved?


This is not true Arud. According to the maps our area, at best, would be considered a war zone. We held it, we owned the station and you guys were definitely not in the area when the deal was even closed.


This is what civil war is about, its that simple.

For SA to give Estoria or Paragon soul to Bob or anyone else for that matter would drag them into the civil war.

Is SE dragging Fix into the civil war?

Arud
Amarr
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:25:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: DjDangle
lmfao, this thread is funny,

Fair play to Fix and SE for doing it the diplomatic way.

Even if you have upset some "other" people heheLaughingLaughing

hehe yeah, tacticly speaking for SE it is a smart move :P makes it just oh so more interestingVery Happy

Fire Lotus
Caldari
J.H.E.N.R
Pure.
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:26:00 - [54]
 

Signed

Dray
Caldari
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:26:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Wraithstorm
HED GP will remain open. FIX is not trying to cause ripples here guys.


Understatement of the month.


Destroyer Draxx
Caldari
Astral Projection Inc.
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:27:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 10/09/2005 16:30:42
Nm

Azeusus
Gallente
Amistad Annihilate
Brutally Organized Ruthless Gangsters
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:28:00 - [57]
 

im totally apart from this but this situation is really what eve has been missing, some big shake ups and alot of new lines develop daily.

To all involved, keep it fun! and keep us informed. GL to all. Cool

Coupo
Caldari
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:29:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Coupo on 10/09/2005 16:33:03
Edited by: Coupo on 10/09/2005 16:30:44
(From my grasp on politics.. loose one at that.. this is my take on this)
Just one thing:

If both sides in the Stain civilwar accept that the war between them is INDEED a civilwar. Then this "contract" is invalid because SA and SE are one, so Diplomacy with one group would mean jack to the other group as they both claim the same regions.
So FIX cant own Catch.. Stain (x) does.
Where (x) is the overall winner.

IF FIX claim it.. with SE's word then FIX would be paramount to declaring war on SA or declaring that they do not respect SA, which wouldnt be a bright idea as both are long established alliances and should get along and grow fat off each other.
After all SA will win the civil war, they already have :/

UnIQu3
Amarr
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:29:00 - [59]
 

An alliance cannot trade away space when under heavy siege and allready lost 2/3 of their space...

Any who would say yes to a offer like this would have to rethink their IQ... dont ya think ?


Arud
Amarr
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:31:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Coupo
Just one thing:

If both sides in the Stain civilwar accept that the war between them is INDEED a civilwar. Then this "contract" is invalid because SA and SE are one, so Diplomacy with one group would mean jack to the other group as they both claim the same regions.
So FIX cant own Catch.. Stain (x) does.

Where (x) is the overall winner.

I agree, and if SE wins they can give catch to fix and SA or whatever would become of SA would have no say in it.


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