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Blood Stain
Posted - 2005.09.09 02:52:00 - [1]
 

Is it just me or has our universe become small? I loved the days when systems were still undiscovered, one or two corps romaing about in an area. Now its just a hodgepodge cluster of inconsiderate, ignorant, roid hugging, gate camping, and market monopolozing toons making you play the game they want to play.

There was once a decent community... and now I think the idea of bringing hope back to the universe is overshadowed by a bunch of meatheads who own way too much ISK and make billions by logging in 3 hours a week.

There is something wrong here... and I can't excactly put my finger on it. On one side you got people harping and whining about the "right" way to play... and on the other side you got people who just want to play the game they pay for. All I'm trying to point out is that we have too many people in this universe... myself included.

Is there not anyplace that hasnt been expolored and tagged with a huge can that annoys everyone? I'm wonderng what the intentions of the game originally were and what they became. How do we solve a community clustered together all doing the same thing over and over? I guess when if you look at it that way, thats the intent of any game.

What EVE doesnt need is constant new skills, ships, items... it needs space expansion. Give each racial region a new worm hole that sucks you in to another universe.

Ok... I think I'm done.

SengH
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.09.09 02:56:00 - [2]
 

its called 0.0.

Blood Stain
Posted - 2005.09.09 02:57:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 02:57:51
Originally by: SengH
its called 0.0.


yea... where you get smoked every turn you make... not an option.

Rawne Karrde
Bre-X Interstellar Shipyards
Ejectile Dysfunction
Posted - 2005.09.09 02:58:00 - [4]
 

Honestly leave caldari space. There is tonnes of systems not being used in other races space.

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2005.09.09 03:01:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Blood Stain

yea... where you get smoked every turn you make... not an option.


You sound prejudiced. More 0.0 for the restof us I guess..

Jewel Earli
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.09.09 03:09:00 - [6]
 

I disagree. There are the rich and elite in Eve as in life. There are those who are so far ahead of me skill wise I might never catch up to them. Does this affect my Eve experience? Only to make it richer and deeper.

Just because I ain't rich and I can't hold my own in a fire fight against a veteran pilot doesn't mean the game is dead for me. I like knowing there are bigger fish than me out there. We need the Bill Gates of Eve as much as we need the front line grunt Ensign Expendables like me. One day I'll be the veteran pilot, the vet of today will be even more deadly although the rule of diminishing returns means the gap between us is smaller. Hopefully there will still be many new grunts, nuggets and noobs joining the ranks. Speaking as a nub I have to say there is a great community here. Perhaps you should spend some time with the proles?

I reckon it would be nice to add more and more systems to the 'edges' of space but I reckon CCP would like to see a bit more done with the existing 0.0 before creating more of it. There is a lot of life left in Eve as it is, add to that all the additions and it really is limitless.

Frankly it sounds to me like you have just gotten stuck in a rut and need to shake things up a bit for yourself. Very Happy

- Join the Caldari Navy and See the Galaxy -

SengH
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.09.09 03:10:00 - [7]
 

its called having to interact with the people around you and not bargin in and demanding things. I'm sure if you put in the time to talk to people you could find a way to live in 0.0 as much as you want. Its never the super gankfest most people make it out to be.... I dont know alot of the problem I guess stems from the fact that when people first start the game, their told... DONT GO INTO <0.5 and ESP not 0.0 or you'll get WTFBBQED. For the new player this is pretty much true, but after 3-4 mths some basic knowledge of how to exist in 0.0 is all you need. Sure you'll lose a couple ships occasionally , but its not the total you'll get BBQed in 10s deal unless your stupid enuff to jump straight into a chokepoint/gatecamp.

Layrex
Caldari
Posted - 2005.09.09 03:23:00 - [8]
 

Only empire huggers would think Eve is even remotley crowded.

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2005.09.09 03:23:00 - [9]
 

Look at Players in Space once in a while. You'll notice that the majority of systems are still completely empty. Get away from the hubs and you'll have plenty of open range to play in.

Justin Cody
Caldari
T.A.L.O.N. Company
B4D W01F
Posted - 2005.09.09 03:26:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Justin Cody on 09/09/2005 03:25:46
Yeah bring some more traffic down to aridia...we need moneh!!


Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2005.09.09 03:47:00 - [11]
 

Get out of caldari space if you dont want to be crowded.

Head for amarr space, it is a great place to mine where you know almost everyone's name in local. Seriously amarr space is like living in the peaceful country.

yeeeep.

Pwyle Kenobi
InterSun Freelance
Posted - 2005.09.09 03:54:00 - [12]
 

More people = more profit!

BRING IT ON!

I'm not a miner mind you, and I can understand how they might have a different view.

Sadist
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.09.09 03:58:00 - [13]
 

Eve small? Dude, they nerfed the highways last patch, wtf are you on?

Marcsens Lil'Helper
Black Sheeps
Posted - 2005.09.09 04:01:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Marcsens Lil''Helper on 09/09/2005 04:01:12
Originally by: Blood Stain
Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 02:57:51
Originally by: SengH
its called 0.0.


yea... where you get smoked every turn you make... not an option.


Not true. Absolutely not true. I for one have been living in 0.0 for most of my Eve-time (i'm playing for more than two years now) and lost maybe two or three ships in fights i didnt want to fight. You just have to act foresighted and considerate and you'll be fine.

Greetings,
Marcsen

Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2005.09.09 04:11:00 - [15]
 

Laughing @ Blood Stain

You have been playing less than 48 hours and are already ranting about EVE being too small.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2005.09.09 04:24:00 - [16]
 

I've been alone in systems 2-3 jumps off the 'highway' systems. High sec space (0.7-1.0), and only a few people coming in now and then. One place had alot of dense/concentrated veldspar, and some other mineral that was slightly better. But I hate mining, so I didn't pay attention to the name, and left because the rats there weren't worth the time. :/


I'm pretty sure you won't have a hard time being b yourself in some of the remote 0.0 systems.

Sochin
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.09.09 05:22:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Blood Stain
Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 02:57:51
Originally by: SengH
its called 0.0.


yea... where you get smoked every turn you make... not an option.


Maybe not an option for you, but thousands of other players live almost exclusively in 0.0 space without much complaint. I haven't been to empire in 3 months probably. I'm probably safer in 0.0 then I am in low sec empire. Plus I get to shoot whoever I want, which is always a plus.

Blood Stain
Posted - 2005.09.09 06:33:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 06:35:21
Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 06:33:52
Originally by: SengH
its called having to interact with the people around you and not bargin in and demanding things. I'm sure if you put in the time to talk to people you could find a way to live in 0.0 as much as you want. Its never the super gankfest most people make it out to be.... I dont know alot of the problem I guess stems from the fact that when people first start the game, their told... DONT GO INTO <0.5 and ESP not 0.0 or you'll get WTFBBQED. For the new player this is pretty much true, but after 3-4 mths some basic knowledge of how to exist in 0.0 is all you need. Sure you'll lose a couple ships occasionally , but its not the total you'll get BBQed in 10s deal unless your stupid enuff to jump straight into a chokepoint/gatecamp.


I think many of your forget the fact that to head to 0.0... you obviously have to run thru camped gates... then you have to get somewhere where you can develop... then you have to build and move your corp there... along with maintaining safety for you and your members... in addition to people claiming to own the space... alliances everywhere fighting for space... and if you are not in an alliance you might as well forget heading there... not to mention the huge bills and requirement alliances hand out to you... and lets not forget the wars against alliances then mean all flights thru empire are now forever screwed.

talk 0.0 all you want, but many dont head there, because many dont want to go there... simple facts. so if we are mostly in empire... until 0.0 is somewhat a decent place to go, the game will be based in Empire. ccp forcing those into 0.0 is not a game based on people doing what they want to do.. its then a game based on ccp manipulating players.

facts are... empire is getting crowded more every day... i'm tired of new content... we need a restructured space... more space... more empire.

Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2005.09.09 06:42:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Blood Stain
Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 06:35:21
Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 06:33:52
Originally by: SengH
its called having to interact with the people around you and not bargin in and demanding things. I'm sure if you put in the time to talk to people you could find a way to live in 0.0 as much as you want. Its never the super gankfest most people make it out to be.... I dont know alot of the problem I guess stems from the fact that when people first start the game, their told... DONT GO INTO <0.5 and ESP not 0.0 or you'll get WTFBBQED. For the new player this is pretty much true, but after 3-4 mths some basic knowledge of how to exist in 0.0 is all you need. Sure you'll lose a couple ships occasionally , but its not the total you'll get BBQed in 10s deal unless your stupid enuff to jump straight into a chokepoint/gatecamp.


I think many of your forget the fact that to head to 0.0... you obviously have to run thru camped gates... then you have to get somewhere where you can develop... then you have to build and move your corp there... along with maintaining safety for you and your members... in addition to people claiming to own the space... alliances everywhere fighting for space... and if you are not in an alliance you might as well forget heading there... not to mention the huge bills and requirement alliances hand out to you... and lets not forget the wars against alliances then mean all flights thru empire are now forever screwed.

talk 0.0 all you want, but many dont head there, because many dont want to go there... simple facts. so if we are mostly in empire... until 0.0 is somewhat a decent place to go, the game will be based in Empire. ccp forcing those into 0.0 is not a game based on people doing what they want to do.. its then a game based on ccp manipulating players.

facts are... empire is getting crowded more every day... i'm tired of new content... we need a restructured space... more space... more empire.

And I think there are TONS of >= 0.1 systems with few to no players in them, it would appear that you want more >= 0.5 space to move a new freighter about in and trade.

BTW You seem have very well defined views for a 48 hour old character, cut the crap and whine with your main.

Blood Stain
Posted - 2005.09.09 06:48:00 - [20]
 

now is there really a difference what character i use to talk? or is that an ego boost for you to think it makes me shimmer in my pants... LOL

I'm talking about new areas... new ventures... more empire for people to go to.. without dealing with the crap hacks in 0.0.... capeesh?

I think a wormhole in each 4 racial regions that allowe for 4 new universes is somthing that will eventually have to be opened up... and possibly even making each new universe ONLY accessable by that regions race. Now that will bring out a WHOLE new edge to EVE.

mirel yirrin
Gallente
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2005.09.09 06:50:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Blood Stain
Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 02:57:51
Originally by: SengH
its called 0.0.


yea... where you get smoked every turn you make... not an option.


No, not really.

There are not enough people and manpower to maintain 24/7 camps everywhere, so if you wnna go live there, go :)

Join a alliance, get a small corp of 5/6 ppl and go stake a claim on a few systems in deep 0.0 Cool

mirel yirrin
Gallente
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2005.09.09 06:51:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Blood Stain
now is there really a difference what character i use to talk? or is that an ego boost for you to think it makes me shimmer in my pants... LOL

I'm talking about new areas... new ventures... more empire for people to go to.. without dealing with the crap hacks in 0.0.... capeesh?

I think a wormhole in each 4 racial regions that allowe for 4 new universes is somthing that will eventually have to be opened up... and possibly even making each new universe ONLY accessable by that regions race. Now that will bring out a WHOLE new edge to EVE.



Lol :)

People will just use alts. LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

mirel yirrin
Gallente
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2005.09.09 06:54:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Blood Stain
Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 06:35:21
Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 06:33:52
Originally by: SengH
its called having to interact with the people around you and not bargin in and demanding things. I'm sure if you put in the time to talk to people you could find a way to live in 0.0 as much as you want. Its never the super gankfest most people make it out to be.... I dont know alot of the problem I guess stems from the fact that when people first start the game, their told... DONT GO INTO <0.5 and ESP not 0.0 or you'll get WTFBBQED. For the new player this is pretty much true, but after 3-4 mths some basic knowledge of how to exist in 0.0 is all you need. Sure you'll lose a couple ships occasionally , but its not the total you'll get BBQed in 10s deal unless your stupid enuff to jump straight into a chokepoint/gatecamp.


I think many of your forget the fact that to head to 0.0... you obviously have to run thru camped gates... then you have to get somewhere where you can develop... then you have to build and move your corp there... along with maintaining safety for you and your members... in addition to people claiming to own the space... alliances everywhere fighting for space... and if you are not in an alliance you might as well forget heading there... not to mention the huge bills and requirement alliances hand out to you... and lets not forget the wars against alliances then mean all flights thru empire are now forever screwed.

talk 0.0 all you want, but many dont head there, because many dont want to go there... simple facts. so if we are mostly in empire... until 0.0 is somewhat a decent place to go, the game will be based in Empire. ccp forcing those into 0.0 is not a game based on people doing what they want to do.. its then a game based on ccp manipulating players.

facts are... empire is getting crowded more every day... i'm tired of new content... we need a restructured space... more space... more empire.


You just want Arkronor back in 1.0 again don't you?

Cool

Lord Jim
Posted - 2005.09.09 06:55:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Lord Jim on 09/09/2005 06:56:29
Originally by: blood stain

I think a wormhole in each 4 racial regions that allowe for 4 new universes is somthing that will eventually have to be opened up... and possibly even making each new universe ONLY accessable by that regions race. Now that will bring out a WHOLE new edge to EVE.


no it wont ****wit

Blood Stain
Posted - 2005.09.09 06:58:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: mirel yirrin
Originally by: Blood Stain
now is there really a difference what character i use to talk? or is that an ego boost for you to think it makes me shimmer in my pants... LOL

I'm talking about new areas... new ventures... more empire for people to go to.. without dealing with the crap hacks in 0.0.... capeesh?

I think a wormhole in each 4 racial regions that allowe for 4 new universes is somthing that will eventually have to be opened up... and possibly even making each new universe ONLY accessable by that regions race. Now that will bring out a WHOLE new edge to EVE.



Lol :)

People will just use alts. LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing


what good is an alt that can't do crap? Laughing

I think its funny 0.0 egos who want people to change their ways and move out to 0.0... are just as scared of change themselves.

Blood Stain
Posted - 2005.09.09 07:01:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Lord Jim
Edited by: Lord Jim on 09/09/2005 06:56:29
Originally by: blood stain

I think a wormhole in each 4 racial regions that allowe for 4 new universes is somthing that will eventually have to be opened up... and possibly even making each new universe ONLY accessable by that regions race. Now that will bring out a WHOLE new edge to EVE.


no it wont ****wit


Laughing new space wouldnt bring a whole new edge? you gotta be kidding me! HAHHAHA... new space is far better than some lame new mining drone.

Blood Stain
Posted - 2005.09.09 07:02:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: mirel yirrin
Originally by: Blood Stain
Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 06:35:21
Edited by: Blood Stain on 09/09/2005 06:33:52
Originally by: SengH
its called having to interact with the people around you and not bargin in and demanding things. I'm sure if you put in the time to talk to people you could find a way to live in 0.0 as much as you want. Its never the super gankfest most people make it out to be.... I dont know alot of the problem I guess stems from the fact that when people first start the game, their told... DONT GO INTO <0.5 and ESP not 0.0 or you'll get WTFBBQED. For the new player this is pretty much true, but after 3-4 mths some basic knowledge of how to exist in 0.0 is all you need. Sure you'll lose a couple ships occasionally , but its not the total you'll get BBQed in 10s deal unless your stupid enuff to jump straight into a chokepoint/gatecamp.


I think many of your forget the fact that to head to 0.0... you obviously have to run thru camped gates... then you have to get somewhere where you can develop... then you have to build and move your corp there... along with maintaining safety for you and your members... in addition to people claiming to own the space... alliances everywhere fighting for space... and if you are not in an alliance you might as well forget heading there... not to mention the huge bills and requirement alliances hand out to you... and lets not forget the wars against alliances then mean all flights thru empire are now forever screwed.

talk 0.0 all you want, but many dont head there, because many dont want to go there... simple facts. so if we are mostly in empire... until 0.0 is somewhat a decent place to go, the game will be based in Empire. ccp forcing those into 0.0 is not a game based on people doing what they want to do.. its then a game based on ccp manipulating players.

facts are... empire is getting crowded more every day... i'm tired of new content... we need a restructured space... more space... more empire.


You just want Arkronor back in 1.0 again don't you?

Cool


if i wanted arkronor i'd go to 0.0 you muppet. CoolSmileSurprised

Kar Brogan
Posted - 2005.09.09 07:05:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Blood Stain
now is there really a difference what character i use to talk? or is that an ego boost for you to think it makes me shimmer in my pants... LOL

I'm talking about new areas... new ventures... more empire for people to go to.. without dealing with the crap hacks in 0.0.... capeesh?

I think a wormhole in each 4 racial regions that allowe for 4 new universes is somthing that will eventually have to be opened up... and possibly even making each new universe ONLY accessable by that regions race. Now that will bring out a WHOLE new edge to EVE.



Your views will normally gain more support if you believe in them strongly enough to tie the reputation of your main to it.

But, forgetting that for now, at any given time there are at least a hundred empire systems totally empty, totally deviod of people and full of nice fat roids, stations and agents for you to utalise.Granted most of these are 0.4 and below, but if you want to be the explorer doing new things you have to be ready for risk.

As for your problems with 0.0, being unable to run through the camps and set up logistical support all in one day....jeez learn to walk before you can run. NOTHING worthwhile in eve can be accomplished in one day.

1.Negotiate access with a 0.0 alliance
2.Time your entry to co-incide with when the choke point camp is controlled by said alliance
3.Utalise said alliances logistical support, while building your own
4.After a long hard slog of building you own support, forming contacts,getting respect and learning the area roll the dice and go it alone.
5.?
6.profit (sorry had to be done)

It is THIS level of organisation,diplomacy and teamwork that is the next level of eve.If,as you wanted, empire space was suddenly expanded with new wormholes it would just be the same old crap your doing now, but with a different system name.

I hope that clears it all up Very Happy

Blood Stain
Posted - 2005.09.09 07:10:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Kar Brogan
Originally by: Blood Stain
now is there really a difference what character i use to talk? or is that an ego boost for you to think it makes me shimmer in my pants... LOL

I'm talking about new areas... new ventures... more empire for people to go to.. without dealing with the crap hacks in 0.0.... capeesh?

I think a wormhole in each 4 racial regions that allowe for 4 new universes is somthing that will eventually have to be opened up... and possibly even making each new universe ONLY accessable by that regions race. Now that will bring out a WHOLE new edge to EVE.



Your views will normally gain more support if you believe in them strongly enough to tie the reputation of your main to it.

But, forgetting that for now, at any given time there are at least a hundred empire systems totally empty, totally deviod of people and full of nice fat roids, stations and agents for you to utalise.Granted most of these are 0.4 and below, but if you want to be the explorer doing new things you have to be ready for risk.

As for your problems with 0.0, being unable to run through the camps and set up logistical support all in one day....jeez learn to walk before you can run. NOTHING worthwhile in eve can be accomplished in one day.

1.Negotiate access with a 0.0 alliance
2.Time your entry to co-incide with when the choke point camp is controlled by said alliance
3.Utalise said alliances logistical support, while building your own
4.After a long hard slog of building you own support, forming contacts,getting respect and learning the area roll the dice and go it alone.
5.?
6.profit (sorry had to be done)

It is THIS level of organisation,diplomacy and teamwork that is the next level of eve.If,as you wanted, empire space was suddenly expanded with new wormholes it would just be the same old crap your doing now, but with a different system name.

I hope that clears it all up Very Happy


I guess you're right... golly. I'm a moron... sorry for the lame opinion folks. I just wanted to be somebody! Sad

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.09.09 07:48:00 - [30]
 

It's not becoming smaller, it's becoming stagnant.

People are now less inclined to leave the hub systems, since it takes longer to get everywhere else.

You can find systems 2-3 jumps from Jita, that never have anyone in them.


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