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Olivin
Gallente
Aquarium
Posted - 2005.08.10 22:45:00 - [241]
 

Edited by: Olivin on 10/08/2005 22:46:10
Originally by: Sessho Seki
Originally by: Olivin
Better to be a whiner than a hysteric moron.

Fortunately then in your case you are both, so you have your bases covered.



Why it's fortunately? Are you enjoying a conversation with hysterical whiner and moron? If so, then you are on the level, at least.

Originally by: Sessho Seki

Originally by: Olivin
Where this come from and why should I jealous of anybody? Besides, nobody beat me out of trade and my trade/haluer alt successfully land me another 500 mill of profit during this debates.


ahhh, so it’s ok for YOU to make 500 million, but anyone else making 500 million is not ok?

They are doing it every bit as legitimately, you’re just a moron that wants to chisel down anyone else doing as well or better.



Where did I say that what I claim that my actions are legit?

Originally by: Sessho Seki

Originally by: Olivin
First of all, you talking about something which you have very little clue about and second of all
you keep making fool of yourself by spiting absolutely nonsense comments, upper case screaming and Webster quotes.

oh so close moron, but you say my comments are nonsense? Yet I support my argument with CCP’s own words and stance on the matter, you however lie like the idiot you are and babble completely unrelated things to slink away from how much of a fool you are and how you have not even the slightest comprehension of the matter at hand.



Yes, your comments are nonsense and you it's getting worse actually. Now you simply posting abusive flame.

Originally by: Sessho Seki

Originally by: Olivin
Well, they did accidentally let freighters be able to transport dreads, so I won't surprise if the forgot to nerf many other aspects of a freighters in secure Empire space.


actually moron, they didn’t “accidentally” do it, they did it quite on purpose to allow the potential transport of ANY ship in a freighter, but when the additional concern of Empire based Dreadnought wars came to mind was another concern and it was dealt with.



I see. So it's possible for almighty CCP to overlook issues like "Empire based Dreadnought wars"? And if so, why you have so abusive and narrow minded reaction to possibility that CCP overlook some other issues, like NPC trade routes farming?


Originally by: Sessho Seki

Now, if you weren’t such a colossally ignorant spud of a human being (and that is indeed a disgrace to where the species is headed to include you among us) you would also note that they were “adjusted” the day before launch on Singularity so that even with perfect skills only 2 of the freighters could haul any ship (Charon and Obelisk), and to then be consistent and not allow any freighter that ability the whole line was adjusted after the Cold War launch so that they all shared that limitation so people couldn’t move their dreadnoughts freely in Empire space. You will also note, since you were so eager to over look it on your own, that not so much as one person even had a freighter yet, much less a dreadnought when this was done, so changing data that no one can even apply is hardly a true nerf as it effected NO ONE. Now since you are so happy to mire yourself in your stupidity, perhaps you will be so kind as to stop being a fool and explain yourself.


If you will be so kind and rephrase above sentence without slobbering hate and discussing my humanity, I will be more then happy to answer you.

Olivin

Olivin
Gallente
Aquarium
Posted - 2005.08.10 22:45:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Sessho Seki

Originally by: Olivin
True, if inter-regional routes were through not secure space, but now it's just another afk time sink. And regional development based on the regional (local) industry, not imports. [Globalization] 101. LOL


Hold on, now before NWO it was perfectly acceptable for SHORTER and perfectly safe interregional travel, but NOW ONLY NOW is it not ok?
And do you honestly think that every hauler running those jumps was just glued to the monitor? Good lord Olivin, did you take dunce lessons or something? Because the level of incompetence you display is simply unnatural, I simply am constantly surprised by just how foolish you can be.



I don't know why, but I guess CCP needed certain amount of players in order to introduce NWO, since you can't really ask for regional markets is there are not enough players to fill this regions.


Originally by: Sessho Seki

You say that regional development is based on local industry, then refer to Globalization?!? (at least SPELL IT RIGHT if you’re going to lie about it TWIT)



You see, crazy British twits spelling it's all wrong: like colour, internationalisation or globalisation. Learn more about globalisation at < http://www.globaliSationguide.org/ >

Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with globalisation and regional industry development, since local industries provide interdependence of regions through increasing volume and variety of cross-border transactions in goods and services. It's almost like IMF wants it.


Originally by: Sessho Seki

Perhaps you didn’t know this, because you haven’t known one thing thus far, but Globalization is DEPENDENT on interregional trade and development, otherwise it would be “regionalization” not “globalization”, God almighty, did your parents drop you a lot as a child?



And I wonder, what all this IBM, Nike and Adidas factories doing in China.

Olivin

Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2005.08.10 23:48:00 - [243]
 

Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 10/08/2005 23:50:28
LOL... and this started out about 1 uber money making trade run from maut to villore -the single greatest money maker in the game for a nub alts with 6 hours of trading. I thought it was bad seeing a guy with 4 accounts doing the trade runs with instas... 500mil worth of cargo in one haul with 150mil profit is just ruinous to all the trade alt created to make money for their main players. If one trade item can be so wreaked so quicked, then simply make it more difficult by moving the buy point from maut to a couple of jumps deeper into non-secure space. I'd imagine all sorts of hell can break out anywhere anyone finds something with a wickedly enticing profit margin.

Would it hurt to have several buying points for LLRoes spread thoughout EVE (not just Maut) and knock the profit margin down a bit? [email protected] selling, then [email protected]+ buying(2700+ Parts on a good day) is just begging someone with a freighter or multiple trade runner accounts to exploit it.

Move the buying point from maut a jump deeper into non-secure space.
Stabilize the maut side to 2296-2396, then set villore at 2438-2538 (yes, totally arbitrary numbers thrown in) with Parts reaching max of 100 isk higher than Villore. Less money, sure, but more stable and riskier for nubbie alt traders (which I have used like all the others).

Anyway.. I did the runs while they lasted. My second account used for trade runs is skilling up and being my ore hauler.

Adapting can be painful especially when the money tree dies.


Kelgen Thann
SUBLIME L.L.C.
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2005.08.10 23:48:00 - [244]
 

I am willing to test this whole thread out. If someone out there gives me a Freighter, with 2-3 trade routes and the basic instructions of when/where/how. I will provide a un-biased answer to if the freighter should be nerfed, or if it is fine the way it is.

Any takers to this offer can eve-mail me in the gameCool

Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2005.08.10 23:54:00 - [245]
 

You or a Dev created character might have to test it on the test server to avoid being ganked.

Maut to Villore/Parts is the only true moneymaker I've seen, but people run antibiotics and all sorts of stuff. Will check Heimatar region when I log in.

MooKids
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2005.08.10 23:59:00 - [246]
 

Oh noes!

We are getting to the point where people quote multiple individual lines from one post and add a reply, greatly increasing the size of each post to something larger than what it should be!

Unless you whiners are going to give each and every freighter producer 2-6 billion (4 billion for me) cause the ship is nerfed, shut up already. It isn't going to be confined to .4 and below.

Sessho Seki
Posted - 2005.08.11 00:25:00 - [247]
 

Originally by: Olivin
Why it's fortunately? Are you enjoying a conversation with hysterical whiner and moron? If so, then you are on the level, at least.


well the competitor in me of course likes to win, and against you, I can’t loose! LOL

So in that regard, it is quite fortunate for me that you argue in circular fashion and state then renege in what you state.

Originally by: Olivin
Where did I say that what I claim that my actions are legit?


well, if they are allowed within the game mechanics, then they are by default “legitimate”… now if you are admitting to cheating, exploiting, auctioning in real-life (like with some sort isk-for-$$$ situation), macro-ing, or just generally doing something that isn’t implemented in the game for you to do, then by all means continue, I’m sure CCP will appreciate your acknowledgement and deal with you appropriately.

Yes, being a low sec Pirate or any other “less than desirable” profession is still legitimate as it is within the game mechanics to do so, and even a risk associated with low sec space and by now should be somewhat expected of being in low sec space.

So by default, you are either earning your living through what ever means “legit” if you are playing with the game mechanics, or you are a soon to be perma-banned cheater who will get your just desertsRolling Eyes

Originally by: Olivin
Yes, your comments are nonsense and you it's getting worse actually. Now you simply posting abusive flame.


Hmmm… Perhaps I need to send you a copy of “hooked-on-phonics” as well…

-=Yes, your comments are nonsense[,] and you [are] getting worse actually. Now you simply [are] posting abusive flame[s].=-

Indeed, as it seems that properly being thrashed is precisely what you are in dire need of. Now, as far as nonsense goes, I suggest that you not throw stones in your glass house, or do you still insist that Oveur and CCP don’t want Freighters to be used for Trading? Rolling Eyes

Originally by: Olivin
I see. So it's possible for almighty CCP to overlook issues like "Empire based Dreadnought wars"? And if so, why you have so abusive and narrow minded reaction to possibility that CCP overlook some other issues, like NPC trade routes farming?


So let’s get this straight, CCP, you know the people making the game and working or the last 8 months or more on Dreadnoughts and Freighters, specifically set their repackaged volume to 1 million m3, and the capacity of the freighters were specifically set and tested for MONTHS before they ever hit Singularity as being able to achieve or even start at 1 million m3, and yet they “accidentally” did this? They “accidentally” went through all the builds between 2.05.3366 and 2.06.3548 (as well as 2.06.3549 and 2.06.3550) without “catching” this “accident”???

PUT YOUR FOOTBALL HELMET BACK ON AND MARCH YOURSELF BACK TO THE “SPECIAL” CLASS!

Sessho Seki
Posted - 2005.08.11 00:26:00 - [248]
 

Originally by: Olivin
I don't know why, but I guess CCP needed certain amount of players in order to introduce NWO, since you can't really ask for regional markets is there are not enough players to fill this regions.


YEAH! Those darn players! It’s all their fault! Rolling Eyes

Now did you happen to notice the name of the content expansion???

Hmmm… Cold War… now during a cold war, typically states tend to be on the “outs” with each other, and thus aren’t overly eager to deal with one another. Now, when sovereignties aren’t dealing with each other the avenues between them are often disrupted and there may well even be the inability for one country to use their land, sea, or air-space to travel across on their destination if dealings degrade far enough.

In the NWO we are seeing the routes between regions being disrupted as the traditional paths are no longer viable, and why might this be??? Because there are VERY deep political and even military tensions between the empires as the fingers are being waved at anyone suspicious.

Originally by: Olivin
Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with globalisation and regional industry development, since local industries provide interdependence of regions through increasing volume and variety of cross-border transactions in goods and services.


Uhh huh… you’re for globalization and interregional transactions, but you are against freighters flying from region to region trading?!?!?!?!?!?

Think about that for just a minute… One of two things should happen, either a light bulb will go off and you will realize how much of a moron you’ve been up will now, OR you will hear a terrible ripping sound as that is the sound of your feeble brain unable to handle such a “deep” thought as that which you apparently just puked up there.

Originally by: Olivin
And I wonder, what all this IBM, Nike and Adidas factories doing in China.


umm goof, take a look at the number one nation-consumer of those products in the entire world. Hmmm, it appears to be the United States, but what region is the United States in and what region is China in??? Certainly not the same region being as they are quite distant.

Now, seeing as China and the US are just about as far apart as two nations can possibly be and yet on the same planet still, it’s a “safe bet” that they are not within the same region, so thus trade between the two nations is inter-regional.

Inter-regional trade is not only good for the game, but it’s VERY CLEARLY one of the intended roles of the Freighter since who on God’s green earth wants to make a zillion runs in an Indy from region to region, back and forth doing trade, when one freighter could and would be not only more logical but much more useful in that role.

Sessho Seki
Posted - 2005.08.11 00:27:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Olivin
I don't see anything wrong with globalisation and regional industry development, since local industries provide interdependence of regions through increasing volume and variety of cross-border transactions in goods and services.


You say that, and then you renege on it in your other posts and statements, you are either for it or you are against it, you can not be both. If you plan to do inter-regional trade, you are going to have to do it on a large scale as you aren’t fulfilling the needs of just the one, you are working on tending the needs of the many in that region.

Cold War and the NWO now associated with it are also intimately linked to Freighters, and while you may not like freighters trading, their role in countering the new found complications in NWO is quite clear. They simply allow for more material (trade goods or other) to be moved long distances in one load rather than many.

Your entire basis of whining is that someone can haul more in a trade route now? Boo hoo, cry me a river, but I have no sympathy for something that could have been done for years before now!

What’s your specific problem with the freighter? It HAS to be the freighter you are at odds with, because the trade route existed before Cold War, Isk existed before Cold War, heck, the ability to buy an insane amount of it and trade it for insane amounts of profit existed before Cold War.

Freighters don’t allow you to buy any more than before, that is entirely up to your wallet and how much the market is willing to LET you buy before the price shoots through the roof. If your wallet is light, that’s up to you to fix, and if the price goes up too high, DON’T BUY!

Freighters don’t allow you to sell any more than before, the market will only ever by as much as it is set to buy and then the going price paid for your wares can and will fall through the floor and you can loose a fortune.

Freighters don’t allow you to do anything you couldn’t have done before! You whining that it’s “unfair” is completely baseless. If you want to compete, then beat him to the buy orders. If you can’t match his buying power, then that’s YOUR FAULT not his. If you can’t haul as well as he can, then get off your lazy behind and match him step for step!

There is not one single thing that he has done that is even in the slightest wrong.

The only thing “wrong” here is the gaggle of idiots trying to get CCP to punish someone for playing FAIR!

Jesus lord have mercy! If you are so low a human being as to attack a person simply for playing by the rules, then you have no worth. You are lower than low and just how detestable a creature anyone that would try to tear down anyone else for earning honest pay for honest work.

Good lord, focus your efforts on the people that deserve such ire, such as actual cheaters, and rail against them. For God’s sake, nothing wrong has been done, and yet you’re ready to gather the villagers and chase this guy to a windmill!

Nyxus
Amarr
Fat J
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2005.08.11 00:29:00 - [250]
 

You can't take a battleship into a 1/10 complex and pwn it.

You shouldn't be able to do NPC trade runs in a Freightor.

<activates his 7 megapulse II's in a 1/10 complex and laughs at guy sitting next to him in a Merlin> "lololol.....sorry nublet, I am just better than you!!11oneone!!1!!".

Can you see the similarity in the situation, and why Frieghtors hauling NPC goods is so absurd?

Nyxus

Olivin
Gallente
Aquarium
Posted - 2005.08.11 01:02:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Sessho Seki

well the competitor in me of course likes to win, and against you, I can’t loose! LOL
So in that regard, it is quite fortunate for me that you argue in circular fashion and state then renege in what you state.



Let me get it straight. You called me "colossally ignorant spud of a human being", "whiner" and " human disgrace" and now you are claiming that "competitor" in you want to win and that you even can't loose against such lame individual? I am sorry, what you want to win again? Here, you won, have a cookie and troll medal.

Olivin

Sessho Seki
Posted - 2005.08.11 02:13:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: Olivin
Originally by: Sessho Seki

well the competitor in me of course likes to win, and against you, I can’t loose! LOL
So in that regard, it is quite fortunate for me that you argue in circular fashion and state then renege in what you state.



Let me get it straight. You called me "colossally ignorant spud of a human being", "whiner" and " human disgrace" and now you are claiming that "competitor" in you want to win and that you even can't loose against such lame individual? I am sorry, what you want to win again? Here, you won, have a cookie and troll medal.

Olivin



you misunderstand. I’m sure the whole board is shocked that you’ve misunderstood again Rolling Eyes be sure not to let that sarcasm escape you

I don't want your hard earned troll medal, that's why I'm taking the opposite stance of you.

I am the antithesis of your trolling, which is why I am arguing against your insane drivel.

Indeed it is impossible to loose to your nonsense since you haven’t demonstrated word one about how anything has been done wrong, yet you insist that it’s not right.

Originally by: Olivin
Here, you won


well, while I appreciate your capitulation, it’s not you that was left needing defeat, the second you opened your ignorant mouth you defeated yourself utterly, all I had to do was step in and show why.

This is more about your completely ludicrous excuse for an actual “idea” of forcing freighters not to be able to do a role they are absolutely ideal for performing.

So you must also be in favor of mining barges not being allowed to mine since they do it so well, dreadnoughts can’t attack POS any more since they are just too effective at that, interceptors now have to go slower than battleships since their speed is obviously “not fair”, and we’ll just see to it that all ships have 1 high slot, 1 med slot, 1 low slot and 10m3 of cargo space with no skill bonuses because having any more in any area wouldn’t be “fair”.

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.08.11 02:19:00 - [253]
 

Can't anyone maturely discuss anything in these forums? Why does everything devolve into personal attacks and flamefests?

Olivin
Gallente
Aquarium
Posted - 2005.08.11 03:01:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Sessho Seki

you misunderstand. I’m sure the whole board is shocked that you’ve misunderstood again Rolling Eyes



Don't be so sure. I mean, you would be surprised how many are shocked by your behaviour.

Originally by: Sessho Seki

I don't want your hard earned troll medal, that's why I'm taking the opposite stance of you.



Actually, you are first troll I met in this forums. And really abusive one.

Originally by: Sessho Seki

Indeed it is impossible to loose to your nonsense since you haven’t demonstrated word one about how anything has been done wrong, yet you insist that it’s not right.


You got a cookie. You got the troll medal. What more do you want? I can't ignore you, since forum is luck of this useful feature and I think everybody got enough of your verbiage.

Originally by: Sessho Seki

well, while I appreciate your capitulation, it’s not you that was left needing defeat, the second you opened your ignorant mouth you defeated yourself utterly, all I had to do was step in and show why.



OMG. You can't stop, can you? LOL

Originally by: Sessho Seki

This is more about your completely ludicrous excuse for an actual “idea” of forcing freighters not to be able to do a role they are absolutely ideal for performing.



Nope. I am 100% for freighter's designated role . However, since you have certain comprehending disabilities and your understanding of a freighters role based on Webster's quotes, this discussion lost all it's amusement.

Originally by: Sessho Seki

So you must also be in favor of mining barges not being allowed to mine since they do it so well, dreadnoughts can’t attack POS any more since they are just too effective at that, interceptors now have to go slower than battleships since their speed is obviously “not fair”, and we’ll just see to it that all ships have 1 high slot, 1 med slot, 1 low slot and 10m3 of cargo space with no skill bonuses because having any more in any area wouldn’t be “fair”.


You start to amuse me again. Please, go on.

Olivin

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.08.11 03:06:00 - [255]
 

Olivin,

Troll Rule #1: Never feed them.

Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2005.08.11 04:24:00 - [256]
 

Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 11/08/2005 04:28:31
Rather difficult to stick to a point... Vitamin-R 4TW.

back on the freighter traders... people with them will and should trade, that's what the ship is for. That one trade run that takes 15minutes with instas back and forth is completely wrecked is a minor issue... no such thing as free money... work for it. As freighters become more prevalent, we are sure to see more npc commodities go sour. But face it... the things are expensive as hell to build. How are you going to recover the cost... TRADING. People comfy with being able to make stacks of cash off that one trade run need to go do something else like everyone else or get a gank fleet to protect the route -just doesn't protect from someone buying all the goods and running it out when you've gone to sleep.

adapt


why do people act poorly online... pure anonymity. they don't have to worry about ever meeting the people face to face in civil discussion. Like the movie "Hollowman", "It's amazing what you can do when you don't have to look yourself in the mirror."

Don't feed the animals or they will come back again and again until you want to shoot them, stuff them, and brag to your friends about it.Shocked

Empty Vee
Cute Toasters Appreciation Society
Posted - 2005.08.11 07:10:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 11/08/2005 04:28:31
Rather difficult to stick to a point... Vitamin-R 4TW.

back on the freighter traders... people with them will and should trade, that's what the ship is for. That one trade run that takes 15minutes with instas back and forth is completely wrecked is a minor issue... no such thing as free money... work for it. As freighters become more prevalent, we are sure to see more npc commodities go sour. But face it... the things are expensive as hell to build. How are you going to recover the cost... TRADING. People comfy with being able to make stacks of cash off that one trade run need to go do something else like everyone else or get a gank fleet to protect the route -just doesn't protect from someone buying all the goods and running it out when you've gone to sleep.

adapt
Shocked


I know this is not an exact comparison, but dreads are also pretty expensive to build. I'm not saying that what freighters do to NPC trade routes is outside of the game rules, but the trade system in Eve is (unfortunately) not as versatile as other aspects of the game. With these massive trade amounts that have become possible with freighters, certain (if not all) trade routes could be monopolized within just as few weeks, depending on how many freighters enter the game and which profit margin their pilots still consider worthwile doing.

To come back to the dreadnought comparison: what if (with a little preparation and logistics) it would be possible that dreads would automatically kill every npc spawn in a region for a month? Or a barge that pops all roids for a month in an entire region?

Freigther operation is fair in all respects, but the fact remains that it takes away a large portion of possible fun (for those enjoying this profession) from a large number of players, leaving only freighter pilots to be able to enjoy it.

I do not see a way out of this, as, as i said, freighter pilots are well within the rules of the game. One possible solution would be a "large volume tax" charged by customs officials at regional borders, but this would only act as a nerf to freighter pilots, which they IMHO do not deserve for playing fair.

Val Amon
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2005.08.11 07:33:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: TIO 101
how many suicide kessy's would it take to kill a freighter >:]



120000 struct you do the math not including armour and sheilds

Sherkaner


Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.08.11 07:47:00 - [259]
 

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