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Maarek Steele
GalTech Heavy Industries
Posted - 2003.07.25 16:55:00 - [31]

I prefer a Thorax. When fighting people with lasers, I can reduce them to a fraction of their normal damage in the blink of an eye, and then if I feel like warp scarmble them and let my drones do the work.

Failing that I can bring online my 3 250's Protos and 2 Anode Heavy Neutrons.

Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.07.26 06:38:00 - [32]

I prefer a Osprey with 3 cu vapors. It can easiely take out a entire blockade single handed.

Rolling Eyes

Posted - 2003.07.26 11:53:00 - [33]

Firepower: maller
drones: thorax
balanced combat/defense: moa.

Cirrius Technologies
Posted - 2003.07.27 10:21:00 - [34]

Lets compare the damage a thorax can give with 3 guns or 4 for a moment. I hope my math is correct. Pilot has surgical strike 3.

3 250 prototypes = 3 (base damage mod) x 1.15 (cruiser lvl 3) x 1.15 (medium hybrid lvl 3) x 1.03 x 1.03 x 1.03 = 4.33 damage mod. Then we add 5 of those standard 1.07 magnetic field stabilizers, even though there are better ones out there: 4.33 x 1.07 x 1.07 x 1.07 x 1.07 x 1.07 = 6.08 in damage mod.

So say i use uranium, that is 6.08 x 18 = 109 damage for every gun which means 328 for 3 guns. Of course totally theoretical, but still.

With 4 guns i cant use the magnetic field stabilizers as i need 3 power core units even with lvl 5 engineering, and I would likely have to put a cap recharger in as they drain more cap. Without those, the damage mod stays at 4.33.

If I use uranium, we get 4.33 x 18 x 4 guns, which is 312 damage. This is less than with 3 guns and it also means I will fire less rapidly, meaning even less damage over time. I would actually have to wait several seconds more for every shot.

Anyone thinks this is not a fair comparison?

/ QuizNeutral

Posted - 2003.07.27 11:36:00 - [35]

Ok.. lets think a second, honestly, whats better using RCUs to fit more top dam guns in or use Dam Mods to make less top dam with a few lower dam(even their lower size class versions) have higer dam mods.
Lets compare using standard purchased off NPC mods(say +7% dam and -7% RoF)
5 of these on a thorax will increase Dam mod by +40% , and Reduce RoF by 30%
This if I've done the math correctly increases DPS output of the turrets used by a factor of 2x.
So.. 2x250mms and 3x150mms rails in effect become the equivalent of 4x250mms and 6x150mm rails.
Anyone here think 1x250mm rail does more dam than 6x150mm ? I didnt think so.
So basically filling up on RCU to fit more, larger turrets isn't really a worthwhile investment in your ship setup.
If i'm wrong i'd really appreciate the input(with your math plz) as this is the setup my thorax is currently using and although I seem to be clearing any NPC spawn in a VERY quick time span, I'm always open to new ideas on setup :)

archangel sean
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2003.07.27 13:31:00 - [36]

I did some math with my thorax.

case 1: 3x250RG + 2 mag stab + 3 rcu
Total DMG mod = 3 x 3.5 x 1.07*1.07 = 12.02

case 2: 4x250Rg + 4 RCU + 1 powerdiag
Total DMG mod = 4 * 3.5 = 14

Very simple. 4 250RG has better dmg per second.

HOwever, the 4 250s setup uses more cap, therefore you may run out of cap for shield boosters etc. But the extra power diag compensates that a little bit.

Currently I am using 2 compress coils 250RG, 2 stock 250RGs, and an anode electron booster, 2 loot cap rechargers and an loot small sheild booster, and 4 RCUs and a power diag.

After I upgrade my engineering to lvl4, then I am going to take off the anode blaster and replace a RCU with another power diag.

THis setup can kill an NPC group of 2x30k+2x20k+4x8k pirates.

Oh....and the heavy drones...too :)

Posted - 2003.07.29 21:29:00 - [37]

hmm you forgot to take into account the reduced Rate of Fire.. also note: higher mulitples of dam mods increase their effectve "Average mod".
Also.. plaz fill empty turret slots to give a fair comparison.. a small 150mm railgun is a good filler for a hybrid comprarison.

Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Terror In The System
Posted - 2003.07.30 01:09:00 - [38]

Im not sure who said it, but If you use 5 anode ion blasters plus some drones, the thorax will own.

A few days ago a maller targeted me from 10k away, and was approaching me. I opened fire. I had lvl 3 hyprids, lvl 3 cruiser, lvl 0 surgical strike. I think I had around 5.5 dmg mod with 5 mixed magnetic stabilizers. I was able to get him within 5% of death before he and his 5 friends ( a few BS) were able to lock and kill me. I took him down very very fast. Had I had a web stasifier on me, and could have kep thim from getting away he would be been a toasty critter.

5 guns with 5.5 dmg mod, and 2.6 rof with anti matter ammo can tear someone up. Plus they have a 0.0345 tracking speed with is much better than a 250. Add drones on top of that and I think you have a handy little set up. I use it and was able to kill a 20k pirate in 3 volleys.

Of course other player can keep their range, but depending on the situation, it can be easy to get within 10k of a player.

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