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Cyanis
Posted - 2005.06.23 08:53:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Mammaries
I dont buy them !! I make them, and no one wants to buy them,

wel ALMOST no one !!!!!


Hm, you must be doing quite much quite very wrong then. I see lots of people using them in 0.0 and use them for my self, as they are far from useless. Others already stated the reasons why this is the case. And if you cant sell them, I can help you with that and happily take the bpo of from you :)

Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2005.06.23 09:06:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Shirei on 23/06/2005 09:11:34
Originally by: Mammaries
I am saying if I do haul 1 billion worth of staff I will NEVER DO THAT ALONE, I will get my corp come with me and watch the road ahead, and clean it up from the wise guys that post here, so who gives rats ... if im in Iteron or Bustard, I need LARGE CARGO then if I get resists it is nice, but not as important.

How will scouts save you from suicide caracals/kessies in empire? You want to stop moving everytime there's a caracal or kestrel at an empire gate? Or use your own suiciders to clear the gate for you everytime you see one of them? Laughing

Besides, even in 0.0.. obviously they're not gonna save you from big gatecamps.. But what they do save you from is small groups of 2-3 inties, which would kill normal haulers in seconds.

Tychus
Posted - 2005.06.23 10:00:00 - [33]
 

Very simple story:
I was traveling in my Mastodon one night, and i had been haulin t2 comps for 10 hours. I put my head down on my desk and went to sleep. I woke up roughly 3 hours later in pator with some armor damage and a failed convo attempt on my screen. I convo'ed the guy back. It seems that the fellow in question, like 3 of his friends all in Caracals had suicided trying to kill me. Granted that they were all 2 week old characters. But there had to have been at least 16+ heavy missiles inbound. 'NUFF SAID!

PS: DEV's It's very hard to have a indy war if there's no gun slot on my mastodon! Please add one, i will supply duct tape if need be.YARRRR!!

Shiipo
Caldari
Valhalla Mining and Industrial
Spectres of the Deep
Posted - 2005.06.23 10:38:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Mammaries
I dont buy them !! I make them, and no one wants to buy them,

wel ALMOST no one !!!!!

Which one, what price and where do you sell them?

Elfaen Ethenwe
Infusion.
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2005.06.23 11:21:00 - [35]
 

they are useful.

and when i finish training for them I will name it

"I break for hotpants"


Imhotep Khem
Minmatar
Doom Guard
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2005.06.23 11:44:00 - [36]
 

Honestly, I been moving stuff in my Mammoth from 00 through extremely hostile territory. Takes scouting and incredible patience. Now that I got the Prowler, it takes scouting, incredible patience, and an extra trip.

I guess its only for empire suicide protection. 40M?

Hamurabi
Posted - 2005.06.23 12:00:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Mammaries
Edited by: Mammaries on 22/06/2005 21:14:57
Edited by: Mammaries on 22/06/2005 21:12:33
Originally by: Imhotep Khem
I agree. They are next to useless. I have now a Prowler.

You can probably fit an mwd if you nerf your shields or drop a WCS from the low slots. But who cares about getting _into_ the gate. Pirates are generally on the 'out' side of the gate, where a MWD is utterly useless.

In this case you need as many WCS as you can fit. Interceptors can easily pack 2 scramblers, so you need minimum +4 WCS strength. For the Prowler, thats all the low slots. A Mammoth could fit 5, but would be dead before it reached warp.

Consider the price of the Prowler and its ability to get by ships that cost 5 times less. Your chances are 50-50, a fair shot. But for the price not fair at all.

Consider that they are not paper thin like T1 haulers, but cardboard thin. They go down to BS/HAC just as fast. But I guess its got to be fair right? For the price, a BS does its job much better. This is a freaking 'transport' ship, it should be uber at transporting. Its a completely 100% defensive ship, it should have the best resistances of any Minmatar ship.

The bottom line is, you still need insta bookmarks. You cant be good on both sides of the gate with the Prowler, so focus on the out-side, and use insta on the in-side.


My recommendation is +3 warp strength. And bring the resistances up to assault level. Sure its good in PvE but PvP leaves a lot to be desired. But that would encroach on the Mastodon with its higher defence, more space, and 5 low slots, and can carry a Large Laser Battery(5000m3). Yes its massive and probably slow to warp, but you know what they say. You can take all day to get it up, so long as it stays up...5xWCS 4tw!


Finally a thinking person.
Makes me wanna puke when ppl say staf like "u prolly never were in 0 Space"
yesh being one of CEO's of RED Alliance and 2 years experienence in organising corp minings in Cache i most defenately lack experience in 0 space to tell difference between indies and transports.
I most defenetly dont realise that it doesnt matter what u are flying if u get in OUR camp u are not leaving alive no matter if u are in Indy or transport ship, the difference is only that you will die 5 seconds later
when we transport Megacyte or Zydrin we do it in Apoks with 7 warp stabs
and when we transport POSes we do it with convoy and recon ahead of it.

it may help against single Interceptor thats all.
And PLEASE dont tell crap like " it was intended for different use, people do not use them as they were supposed to be"
thats is bunch of crap, people use staff the best way it suited for the tasks they need to accomplish, and if DEVs had something different in mind, thats DEVs problem, thats their design short comming, not Peoples !!!!

all serious haulers have trained Iteron 5, so most of people that would want Transport would get Gallente Transport immediatly if they had Iteron 5, why would they ever wanted a Caldari or Minmatar indy ????
Also Cargo is larger only in Amarr transport and ONLY with ALL 27% expanders, with regular expanders Iteron 5 is still bigger.
I am saying if I do haul 1 billion worth of staff I will NEVER DO THAT ALONE, I will get my corp come with me and watch the road ahead, and clean it up from the wise guys that post here, so who gives rats ... if im in Iteron or Bustard, I need LARGE CARGO then if I get resists it is nice, but not as important.


Scobichevsky Cal
RUA CEO
RUS death squad



I love my transport ship. I use it to move very valuable cargo with relative ease in and out of 0.0. It is not designed to be a hauler as they were previously described. I'm working on the level 2 transport ship setup now as a viable tanked hauler, but the blockade runner works fantastically. Using it to move small amoutns of ore would not be how i used it tho

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.06.23 13:18:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Shiipo
There are not very many ships that can see a hostile blob alone and live to tell about it. If you don't like the ships then just don't get them.

I agree that they are still way too expensive, but I still like mine.

There are reasons to get the transport ships of other races. The minmatar Prowler is probably the fastest hauler ingame (not sure), and the amarr Impel can load more than any other hauler currently ingame.


Prowler has a higher base speed, but the Prorator has twice as many low slots, so if you're nanofiber/overdriving the latter has a faster lick.

Scobichevskaya
Caldari
RUS Academy
P0WER 0F TW0
Posted - 2005.06.23 14:54:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: jonies
Far from useless. I have the unlucky task of shipping stuff in my Occator through 5zxx. Having survived most attacks ,even 5 ceptors scraming me. The only thing that took me out was a Raven that hit me with 5 volleys . ( btw who puts 6 warp scrams on a Raven anyways) Although, I cant stand the waiting time for buying one I will none the less get another one soon.


Fina, Occator I can see, if you had Iteron 5 then yes,
so my point that Gallente Transport are pretty much they only ones that have demand, since they are coupled with ability to fly excellent Iteron 5

Scobichevskaya
Caldari
RUS Academy
P0WER 0F TW0
Posted - 2005.06.23 14:55:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Scobichevskaya on 23/06/2005 14:58:21
Originally by: Shiipo
Originally by: Mammaries
I dont buy them !! I make them, and no one wants to buy them,

wel ALMOST no one !!!!!

Which one, what price and where do you sell them?


Bustard, 80 mill, Jita

Scobichevskaya
Caldari
RUS Academy
P0WER 0F TW0
Posted - 2005.06.23 14:57:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Scobichevskaya on 23/06/2005 14:58:43
Originally by: Imhotep Khem
Honestly, I been moving stuff in my Mammoth from 00 through extremely hostile territory. Takes scouting and incredible patience. Now that I got the Prowler, it takes scouting, incredible patience, and an extra trip.

I guess its only for empire suicide protection. 40M?

no way,
about 35 mill will cost only, T2 components

Imhotep Khem
Minmatar
Doom Guard
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2005.06.23 20:07:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Scobichevskaya
Edited by: Scobichevskaya on 23/06/2005 14:58:43
Originally by: Imhotep Khem
Honestly, I been moving stuff in my Mammoth from 00 through extremely hostile territory. Takes scouting and incredible patience. Now that I got the Prowler, it takes scouting, incredible patience, and an extra trip.

I guess its only for empire suicide protection. 40M?

no way,
about 35 mill will cost only, T2 components


If you build it yourself maybe. Its not worth that much. Ill probably get the Mastodon and see what it can do. If I cant move 5000m3 with 4xWCS, I dont really see the point.


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