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Smada
ACME HARDWARE
Posted - 2005.06.22 18:40:00 - [91]
 

CCP please take note, there is a very good maxim that you should heed:

"If it ain't broke, don't f*ck with it!" Wink


Manasseh
Amarr
Imperial Star Guards
Vigilia Valeria
Posted - 2005.06.23 01:06:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Manasseh on 23/06/2005 01:07:50
But then again CCP, why are you changing the voice? You want to reach the asian market, cool we're with you on that, but what has that got to do with our beloved EvE voice. If anything record an asian voice in korean or mandarin (or whatever) for the new asian market, 'cos they probably wont appreciate the new voice anyhow as it is definately still far removed from their regional accents.

But for the benefit of the doubt what is the justification for changing our beloved EvE voice? Rolling Eyes

"...connecting..."

Ibobah'k Chisaraj
Posted - 2005.06.23 04:10:00 - [93]
 

Ok, korean lnaguage support, and cyrillic too, new font engine wroom wrooom ok fine but whats with the voice? Whos idea was this?

If you need it to utter new things, you should bend over backwards to get it done with the old voice character, gloody bell!Shocked

I sugest you cut time from these things and spend it on fixing the module fitting requirement prediction routine instead of this potential nonsense

RedClaws
Amarr
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2005.06.27 12:36:00 - [94]
 

I fixed it Rolling Eyes

mirel yirrin
Gallente
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2005.06.27 19:24:00 - [95]
 

I love the new voice, but the font is crap.
my 2 isk :)

mirel yirrin
Gallente
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2005.06.27 19:24:00 - [96]
 

I love the new voice, but the font is crap.
my 2 isk :)

mirel yirrin
Gallente
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2005.06.27 19:26:00 - [97]
 

OH noes Dubble post.....

DarkStar251
Posted - 2005.06.27 23:59:00 - [98]
 

Hmmmm

New voice 4tw, sounde much more sexeh :) lol.... but still far cooler if you had a min/gal/cald/amarr voice, or at least make the tut voice match

New font 4tw, much clearer to read at 2048x1536 without wasting large ares of your screen like the large font.

New formatting? get rid of it now plz

Sharossen
Posted - 2005.06.28 01:51:00 - [99]
 

Just looked at patch 3501 - the female voice that pops in on parts of the tutorial is GREAT! It has just a hint of effects to make it sound a bit unworldly while still being very easy to understand. Good job - record more like that!

Severus Trajan
Amarr
Tok'Ra Inc
Posted - 2005.06.29 12:04:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Severus Trajan on 29/06/2005 12:05:18
Originally by: Sangheili
i love voice from mechwarrior. old hard core fan from mech II. gotta love ghost bear. anyways. yes i do believe that, that is the perfect voice for eve.


Hadn't noticed this comment before, but I can only heartily agree (although Jade Falcons whups da Bears anyday).

The person doing the Mechwarrior voice did a great job, as did Activision in adding a hard metallic quality to it.

"Trial initiated - Jade Falcon protocol. Justice by combat." Very Happy

Cypherous
Minmatar
Lions of Judah Incorporated
Posted - 2005.06.29 12:22:00 - [101]
 

I've never had an issue with people typing in other languages font wise it always adapts to whatever language is used, i have yet to see eve display a little box in the chat channels.

Secondly i love the new voice it makes eve sound real, i mean i really don't want a ships computer to sound like an apple mac, next you'll be adding the mac "Its not my fault" sound whenever you get a session change message :/

Tatl Eon
Posted - 2005.07.02 14:47:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: VOTM
Okay. I have had a play around with the new patch and I have come up with this.

I would also like to say that these changes are the first ones I have ever truly disliked so please don't write me off as a serial complainer. I am writing this because I feel they will truly change the character of EVE.

Please do not change EVE to this monster

FONT
The old font was superb and appropriate to eve, the new font is so generic and hints of comic sans which is, imo a childish font, not what eve is about at all.

CHAT INTERFACE
Staying with the chat theme. The chat system was previously perfect, with the exception of you not being able to choose any text sizes to view ALL text from your side. Adding formatting abilities to the text client is an awful idea (imo), which will make reading eve a pain for everyone involved. Reading size 36 magenta font in trade channel is not my idea of fun. Especially when placed next to size 8 lime green or cyan.

Illustrating my point

Having everyone use the same formatting was easy to read, understand and kept the professionalism and dignity of eve alive. This new system spits on that dignity and that is a truly upsetting thing.

VOICE OVER
If you do change the voice over, please let us choose between the new and old one. I love the old voice over, it sounded so integrated, so perfect. It was someone talking to you in the pod. This new one is grating, commanding and sounds so plastered over that it breaks the immersion. While I understand it probably isn't the final voice it is horrible as it is and you will have to make it pretty spectacular to make me convert.

I hope I have formulated this is a clear and concise arguement, but if you need clarity on anything I will be happy to oblige.


Agreed on all parts.

Watching
Posted - 2005.07.02 15:22:00 - [103]
 

/signed

MrJordanIOI
Minmatar
The Lantern Mining Corporation
Posted - 2005.07.02 23:47:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: VOTM
Okay. I have had a play around with the new patch and I have come up with this.

I would also like to say that these changes are the first ones I have ever truly disliked so please don't write me off as a serial complainer. I am writing this because I feel they will truly change the character of EVE.

Please do not change EVE to this monster

FONT
The old font was superb and appropriate to eve, the new font is so generic and hints of comic sans which is, imo a childish font, not what eve is about at all.

CHAT INTERFACE
Staying with the chat theme. The chat system was previously perfect, with the exception of you not being able to choose any text sizes to view ALL text from your side. Adding formatting abilities to the text client is an awful idea (imo), which will make reading eve a pain for everyone involved. Reading size 36 magenta font in trade channel is not my idea of fun. Especially when placed next to size 8 lime green or cyan.

Illustrating my point

Having everyone use the same formatting was easy to read, understand and kept the professionalism and dignity of eve alive. This new system spits on that dignity and that is a truly upsetting thing.

VOICE OVER
If you do change the voice over, please let us choose between the new and old one. I love the old voice over, it sounded so integrated, so perfect. It was someone talking to you in the pod. This new one is grating, commanding and sounds so plastered over that it breaks the immersion. While I understand it probably isn't the final voice it is horrible as it is and you will have to make it pretty spectacular to make me convert.

I hope I have formulated this is a clear and concise arguement, but if you need clarity on anything I will be happy to oblige.


[b]SIGNED and agreed on all parts - at least give us the option to use the old font PLEASE ![b]


Myra Able
Posted - 2005.07.02 23:51:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Myra Able on 03/07/2005 00:05:09
Edited by: Myra Able on 03/07/2005 00:02:24
Originally by: VOTM
Okay. I have had a play around with the new patch and I have come up with this.

I would also like to say that these changes are the first ones I have ever truly disliked so please don't write me off as a serial complainer. I am writing this because I feel they will truly change the character of EVE.

Please do not change EVE to this monster

FONT
The old font was superb and appropriate to eve, the new font is so generic and hints of comic sans which is, imo a childish font, not what eve is about at all.

CHAT INTERFACE
Staying with the chat theme. The chat system was previously perfect, with the exception of you not being able to choose any text sizes to view ALL text from your side. Adding formatting abilities to the text client is an awful idea (imo), which will make reading eve a pain for everyone involved. Reading size 36 magenta font in trade channel is not my idea of fun. Especially when placed next to size 8 lime green or cyan.

Illustrating my point

Having everyone use the same formatting was easy to read, understand and kept the professionalism and dignity of eve alive. This new system spits on that dignity and that is a truly upsetting thing.

VOICE OVER
If you do change the voice over, please let us choose between the new and old one. I love the old voice over, it sounded so integrated, so perfect. It was someone talking to you in the pod. This new one is grating, commanding and sounds so plastered over that it breaks the immersion. While I understand it probably isn't the final voice it is horrible as it is and you will have to make it pretty spectacular to make me convert.

I hope I have formulated this is a clear and concise arguement, but if you need clarity on anything I will be happy to oblige.


Signed Signed Signed !!!

The new font is horrible, both in brightness as in size - give us more sizes or leave as it is at the moment on Tranquility !

NEW QA guy ! Ulfrr !

SHOW that you listen to us players -- there is a lot of us who dont like this look and feel change !

Give us options - you can keep the ideas, no one will complain --just GIVE US ALTERNATIVES we can switch to.

Even Windows XP offered to be switched to Windows 2000 Look and feel DESKTOP !

Ulfrr ! This is your first mission ;)

( Ulfrr introduced himself in a dev blog you can read here -> http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=251 )

http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=251

I suggest if this new font gets put in we get our torches and pitchforks and go to Ulfrrs place ;P


JeevesBond
Posted - 2005.07.03 00:05:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: VOTM
Okay. I have had a play around with the new patch and I have come up with this.

I would also like to say that these changes are the first ones I have ever truly disliked so please don't write me off as a serial complainer. I am writing this because I feel they will truly change the character of EVE.

Please do not change EVE to this monster

FONT
The old font was superb and appropriate to eve, the new font is so generic and hints of comic sans which is, imo a childish font, not what eve is about at all.

CHAT INTERFACE
Staying with the chat theme. The chat system was previously perfect, with the exception of you not being able to choose any text sizes to view ALL text from your side. Adding formatting abilities to the text client is an awful idea (imo), which will make reading eve a pain for everyone involved. Reading size 36 magenta font in trade channel is not my idea of fun. Especially when placed next to size 8 lime green or cyan.

Illustrating my point

Having everyone use the same formatting was easy to read, understand and kept the professionalism and dignity of eve alive. This new system spits on that dignity and that is a truly upsetting thing.

VOICE OVER
If you do change the voice over, please let us choose between the new and old one. I love the old voice over, it sounded so integrated, so perfect. It was someone talking to you in the pod. This new one is grating, commanding and sounds so plastered over that it breaks the immersion. While I understand it probably isn't the final voice it is horrible as it is and you will have to make it pretty spectacular to make me convert.

I hope I have formulated this is a clear and concise arguement, but if you need clarity on anything I will be happy to oblige.


[SIGNED]

I agree with what's being said here. The only question remaining is why was dev time allocated to this?!

Zyrla Bladestorm
Minmatar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2005.07.03 00:26:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: JeevesBond

[SIGNED]

I agree with what's being said here. The only question remaining is why was dev time allocated to this?!


CCP want to break into the korean/japanese/russian etc markets, in order to do that the client has to support chat fonts using other than latin-based characters, thats the reason they had to re-write the chat system.

Also most of the font problems beyond legibility were solved already when they pre-nerfed the new font system - removing all but italics from normal channels I believe.
I think that was already said earlier in this thread, but I suspect it has gone beyond the length where most new people to it will actually read it to realize that.

Myra Able
Posted - 2005.07.03 02:50:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Myra Able on 03/07/2005 02:52:36
Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm
Originally by: JeevesBond

[SIGNED]

I agree with what's being said here. The only question remaining is why was dev time allocated to this?!


CCP want to break into the korean/japanese/russian etc markets, in order to do that the client has to support chat fonts using other than latin-based characters, thats the reason they had to re-write the chat system.

Also most of the font problems beyond legibility were solved already when they pre-nerfed the new font system - removing all but italics from normal channels I believe.
I think that was already said earlier in this thread, but I suspect it has gone beyond the length where most new people to it will actually read it to realize that.


So Zyrla--That means you like it the way it is with the new patch and those choices between BIG and HUGE ?

Breaking into a market is one thing, but alienating your current playerbase with not even giving a choice to set to your used look and feel is another.

Keep all that new stuff, just ADD AN OPTION to switch back to the old font (at your own risk) and maybe adjust its output color for the client !

Thanks,
Myra

ErrorS
Caldari
Posted - 2005.07.03 10:29:00 - [109]
 

yes please, i dont like the new font. I need small, clear low contrast fonts, otherwise it will kill my eyes..

light grey is a wonderful color.. even the old fonts were a bit too high contrast for me. WHy can't we just change the font/color ourselves? just for what it looks like on our end, much like with how miRC does things.

Antinea
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.07.03 10:49:00 - [110]
 

Does someone have a screenshot of the latest/new fonts on SiSi, or are we really going to be stuck with this monstruosity?
...
If this is the case I guess I am going to be stuck in station with all chat windows minimized until the yells have reached epic proportions on the forums, once everyone has had the "chance" to experience all that live on Tranquility, and CCP finely decide to work on a better font.
...
But hey, I guess I had to do that anyway to train all the new skills CCP kindly provided me to partially unnerf my missiles.
Rolling Eyes

Vidtorin
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2005.07.03 11:30:00 - [111]
 

I agree with what others have said. Please don't go through with this, or leave us with the option to use the old font. The new one is really awful. Oh, right. /sign

Nakatre Read
Caldari
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2005.07.03 11:54:00 - [112]
 

Signed - I hate the new font.

MrJordanIOI
Minmatar
The Lantern Mining Corporation
Posted - 2005.07.03 13:04:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Antinea
Does someone have a screenshot of the latest/new fonts on SiSi, or are we really going to be stuck with this monstruosity?
...
If this is the case I guess I am going to be stuck in station with all chat windows minimized until the yells have reached epic proportions on the forums, once everyone has had the "chance" to experience all that live on Tranquility, and CCP finely decide to work on a better font.
...
But hey, I guess I had to do that anyway to train all the new skills CCP kindly provided me to partially unnerf my missiles.
Rolling Eyes


Screenshot of
OLD Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


and


NEW Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

FONT.

The new one is larger so you cant have as much text without scrolling-especially bad for chat windows ;(

And it is too bright !
I m used to a greyish font color - like here on the forums
Picture all this in large WHITE LETTERS striking out from the background---unreadable for longer periods of time !

LESS (contrast) _is_ MORE !

IOI


Zyrla Bladestorm
Minmatar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2005.07.03 14:04:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Zyrla Bladestorm on 03/07/2005 14:05:21
Originally by: Myra Able
Edited by: Myra Able on 03/07/2005 02:52:36
Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm

CCP want to break into the korean/japanese/russian etc markets, in order to do that the client has to support chat fonts using other than latin-based characters, thats the reason they had to re-write the chat system.

Also most of the font problems beyond legibility were solved already when they pre-nerfed the new font system - removing all but italics from normal channels I believe.
I think that was already said earlier in this thread, but I suspect it has gone beyond the length where most new people to it will actually read it to realize that.


So Zyrla--That means you like it the way it is with the new patch and those choices between BIG and HUGE ?

Breaking into a market is one thing, but alienating your current playerbase with not even giving a choice to set to your used look and feel is another.

Keep all that new stuff, just ADD AN OPTION to switch back to the old font (at your own risk) and maybe adjust its output color for the client !

Thanks,
Myra


added bolding to my text you quoted where you apparently mis-read me.

Half the point of the original post that people kept quoting and going /signed to was complaining about people using 32 point magenta font in trade channel etc - which was already solved weeks ago.

I'm assuming the old font they used is completely incompatible with the new system, I seriously doubt they are trying to alienate people on purpose.

Edit : and I actually find the new one a little more legible, it was always an issue that you couldn't make the old one larger for high resolutions : though of course doing just that : making it an option, is always the best way.

theRaptor
Caldari
Tactical Operations
Posted - 2005.07.03 15:22:00 - [115]
 

Signed. The new font is fugly. It my look nice on some monstrous screen at a stupid resolution, but at my res it looks ****.

Kythoma
Caldari
DeepSpace Inc.
Posted - 2005.07.03 16:34:00 - [116]
 

Signed. The new font is a horror for my eyes. the brightness give me headache after playing more than one hour Sad

Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
Posted - 2005.07.03 17:27:00 - [117]
 

yep, contrast will have to go down because of that font, which makes Eve *dark*. And that really does grt frustrating after a while (tiring on the eyes, and you miss a lot of the pretty stuff)

Shari Slyver
Posted - 2005.07.03 18:11:00 - [118]
 

Signed. Please don't change them.

Rhagnor
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2005.07.03 18:53:00 - [119]
 

Using both fonts kinda clashes. And the new one..well. it's not an improvement

Pharuan
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.07.03 19:08:00 - [120]
 

New fonts and new voice, both I don't like!

Tested and signed.


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