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Snake Pleskin
Posted - 2003.07.08 12:01:00 - [31]
 

It seems to me all the whinning about pirates not be able to be pirates is your own fault.

You were given warnings that things were going to change to make systems safer, yet you still camped gates. You continued to pod noobs, insta kill anyone coming out of the gate.

They send the GM squad after you to run you out of the system, yet you still didn't get the message.

They warped the pirates out of the system, and still you did not heed the warnings, and persisted in podding and griefing.

Now we have secure space everwhere and and stupid can jettison BS. Thanks to you the game took a turn for the worse imo.

If you only used some moderation and played like pirates instead of the griefing gankers that pirates had become. You failed to take note of the warnings given by CCP. Did you really think they were going to let you continue with that type of behavior?

You made your bed, now go lay in it!

Starwolf
Caldari
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
Posted - 2003.07.08 12:03:00 - [32]
 

One of the classic blockades I've seen recently was a m0o blockade in PF-346, in The Syndicate.

m0o had co-ordinated 3 battleships to stop all traffic from passing this gate and it was going to be exceptionally difficult to pass through.

Sadly, they were blockading a gate from 0.0 to Empire space, where most ships return with little or no cargo.

WTG :)

Lola
Gallente
Posted - 2003.07.08 12:07:00 - [33]
 

Seer "all the good stuff" is NOT out of empire space. When you can make 25m a day risk free in empire space why would you leave? I'm not risking my ass and ship to mine Bist when I can buy all the Mega I'll even need. Same goes for pirate loot that recently got nerfed.
Right now:
Risk = Some reward
No Risk = Huge Reward

I'd like to see that the other way around.

semp
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
Posted - 2003.07.08 12:08:00 - [34]
 

Well said snake :)

They force the devs to change the game because the all play like children, lagging peeps out with cans etc, which in itself has lead to very few content updates in game as the devs had to fix these issues.

The excuse 'Well if we can do it in the game then its a fair tactic' attitude has finally turned around to bite them. Well now there crying they can 'Bite me' !!

Semp/Decker
CEO Tyrell Corp
Always looking for more sound members

semp
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
Posted - 2003.07.08 12:10:00 - [35]
 

Nice post Star...

think M0o have got BSE?

I wonder if there over 30 months old? :)

Semp
CEO Tyrell Corp

Loki Prime
Posted - 2003.07.08 12:34:00 - [36]
 

I have to agree that the situation with pirates at the moment is how it should be. Pirates should not be allowed to come and go as they please.
Making money in Empire space is also as it should be. If there is a very profitable trade route involving 0.0 space I can assure you it would not remain as undevelepod space for very long and would become relatively secure very quickly.

However the pirates are missing the point. The excitement in EVE comes from combat. I have been playing EVE since release day, finally I have become so bored of trading and mining that I decided I would go and find better NPC pirates to kill. Those in 0.1 belts and up are just too easy, they dont even remove 25% of youre sheilds anymore, where is the fun in that.
This leads me to my point. There are going to be a lot of people getting bored of secure trading/mining and they will start making for 0.0 space to find the exciting aspects of EVE for themselves.
When they do you will have all the people you need to pod. Eve has not been going all that long so not enough people have gotten bored of the security the empires offer yet.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Jash Illian
Minmatar
Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.
Posted - 2003.07.08 12:41:00 - [37]
 

How many people that keep talking about 0.0 space actually go out there to do anything but mine?

Someone wrote they had a convoy of ships hauling 80m worth of cargo through low sec space and profited 20m. I call that wasted effort as a person inside Empire space can make the same profit solo. 9 of you to make what 1 person does alone? Oh yah, that's good.

semp
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
Posted - 2003.07.08 13:10:00 - [38]
 

so what your saying Jash is that in around 1 hour you can mine 20mil's worth of isk solo in 0.0 sectors....wow, i got to get me a set of them mining lasers :p

Cant wait to find them belts ;)

The real fun in this event was for a group outing, the cash is just a bonus, playing with others in a MMORPG might sound like a wild idea to some...to me its why im here ;)

Semp
CEO Tyrell Corp

Edited by: semp on 08/07/2003 13:11:11

Jash Illian
Minmatar
Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.
Posted - 2003.07.08 13:13:00 - [39]
 

<< so what your saying Jash is that in around 1 hour you can mine 20mil's worth of isk solo in 0.0 sectors....wow, i got to get me a set of them mining lasers :p

Cant wait to find them belts ;)

The real fun in this event was for a group outing, the cash is just a bonus, playing with others in a MMORPG might sound like a wild idea to some...to me its why im here ;)

Semp
CEO Tyrell Corp
>>

I never said anything about mining. I've been talking about Trade, which is primarily a solo endeavor and can be done safely inside empire space. People are trading their way to battleships as we speak. All from the safety of empire space.

And why should anyone be patient? This has been going on since the patch without nary a comment from CCP. Look! There's Pann now locking threads and ignoring issues.

Patience isn't my strong suit when I'm getting ignored.

Edited by: Jash Illian on 08/07/2003 13:17:03

semp
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
Posted - 2003.07.08 13:23:00 - [40]
 

"People are trading their way to battleships as we speak"

I C what the problem is now.....we should be stealing for them....Im sorry I will go stand in a corner now.

What a cabbage :)

Semp
CEO Tyrell Corp

Maarek Steele
Gallente
GalTech Heavy Industries
Posted - 2003.07.08 13:46:00 - [41]
 

I've always found it funny that people consider m0o to be the end all of pirates. "Yeah welll PIrates were warned.", or "Nothing but a bunch of exploiters.", or "Greaver pirates with no rp.".

STFU already. M0o was 1 Pirates corp. One in fact that the majority of other pirates corps disliked as well. Red Corsairs, Space Invaders, and others worked their butts off to RP. Less than 1% of the population ever had any experience with m0o, this has been proven time and again by the numbers of people online vs. the numbers of people killed at any m0o blockade, yes even the mara passari gate. So CCP nerfed an entire way of life in game (one which they have heavily advertised for as well) because less than 1% of the population (we'll say .05%) came on the boards and whined about 1 pirates corp.

And shut up with the whole 'pirating was/is easy' crap. Its nothing but a big steaming load of bull****. Pirating has been shown to make the last amount of money for the most amount of risk of any activity in game. People didn't pirate for the money, we did and still do pirate for the Fun. I have more fun cuttin up with my boys on TS than I do listening to the pathetic mewling of the next idiot we caught AFK on autopilot carrying 6m worth of cargo. He has a better chance of escaping even then than we do should a fleet roll up.

Out of all you people trying to tell me how easy pirating is, how many of you have actually ever stopped and setup a successful blockade? I ask the question frequently and never get an answer, my guess is because none of you have ever done and are only going on hearsay. So unless you have actually done, or even run a successful pirate corp thats made money only by pirating, STFU.

"WE WILL BURY YOU!!! *bangs shoe on table*

Thank you, have a nice day.

Jash Illian
Minmatar
Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.
Posted - 2003.07.08 13:47:00 - [42]
 

<< "People are trading their way to battleships as we speak"

I C what the problem is now.....we should be stealing for them....Im sorry I will go stand in a corner now.

What a cabbage :)

Semp
CEO Tyrell Corp
>>

Your desire to insult blinds you. If you go into the game right now and search for my character, you'll notice I have no bounty and a positive sec rating. That's right, I'm no pirate. Nor is my character an alt.

I hunt npc pirates and fight the occasional skirmish against the player pirates (if I'm prepared, otherwise I evade). What I find distressing is that trade has become so imbalanced that while I put my ships at risk against multiple enemies, people are putting industrials at 0 risk and vastly outprofiting me. Mostly while AFK. That's no balance.

The player pirates put Risk (or the fear of it) into trade inside Empire space. They were a type of balance. For myself, I liked getting jumped by the occasional pirate, though only 1 has successfully cost me anything (one jumped me 2 days after activating my account and cost me a reaper).

The Risk vs Reward for an NPC Pirate Hunter is: You Risk your ship and modules for the Reward of the npc bounty and the modules they might drop.

The Risk vs Reward for a miner is: You risk your ship and cargo collected for the Reward of minerals for sale or manufacturing.

The Risk vs Reward for a trader was: You Risk large cargos for the Reward of large sums of isk. But the removal of the pc pirates (because the npc gate camping pirates can't even stop a n00b ship) removed that risk.

semp
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
Posted - 2003.07.08 14:17:00 - [43]
 

Hi Maarek Steele,

I belive 'The Gang' ran into our guys a while ago.....and if i remember rightly you guys got your ass's handed to you (I was away the weekend it happened).

But it was all in the name of game play and i belive one of you gang actually got in touch with us to say what a great encounter it was.

I only wish more pirates were like you guys. Sadly most just want to pod kill everyone and act like children.

Semp
CEO Tyrell Corp

Maarek Steele
Gallente
GalTech Heavy Industries
Posted - 2003.07.08 14:19:00 - [44]
 

Haven't heard of any encounter with Tyrell corp, and the only time we've had our 'asses handed to us' was by the Placid Alliance in a **** up on my part.

ShadowStrike
Shadow Tech Industries
Posted - 2003.07.08 15:46:00 - [45]
 

I swear...all those that favor this patch are a bunch of worthless carebears. I hoped eve would have kept you people away, with the high PVP content of the game. Its the long haul PVP oriented gamers that make MMORPGs last. We are the ones who buy 2 - 3 accounts just to play multiple roles. I'm sick and tired of you worthless newbies who just think this is a space mining sim or peaceful capitalist game. If there is no risk, no drama, or no conflict... then what is the point of Eve? So you can become rich? And do what? Get big ships... to do what? Make more isk? To do what? What is the point of the game if we all get in to battleships and titans but don't use them for anything but doing more mining or hunting npc pirates?

Die carebears die!!!


Xamand
Caldari
Point of No Return
Posted - 2003.07.09 00:29:00 - [46]
 

Maarek, it was a good while back that we bumped into the Gang (your best ship at the time was a Blackbird if I remember correctly - so was quite some time ago).

The Gang had been hanging around the systems near Isanamo, asking for money for the Minmatar (or something) Children's fund......a nice touch imo :)

We had a fleet of 3 Ospreys and 2 Merlins, and had spent an hour or so chasing you around, without ever seeing you. As we were sitting at a gate you had recently been seen at, your force warped in, unknowing of our presence, and battle ensued.

I know Lymm lost his ship to myself and Comander Tat (he's not the brightest when it comes to spelling) and if I remember correctly one of your other pilots lost a ship as well.

Losses weren't that great though, just a couple of frigates, as this was early in the game, and a little while before m3g4 camped out in Obe, and long before m0o raised it's ugly head.

IMO you were doing pirating the proper way, rather than the pod a helpless noob that became fashionable later

Lola
Gallente
Posted - 2003.07.09 06:00:00 - [47]
 

OMG!! ShadowStrike!!!! have you picked up the hottest new craze on the net? It has Maximum PWNAGE for minimal grie***e but I think you are on the wrong side. Do you play as Skrieky? Here is what Skrieky has to say:
"I'm Shrieky. I don't want anybody to care or love. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! People care and love. I want my way. Ahhhhhhhhhhh!! I am the niece to No Heart. I scream whenever I don't get my way."

I don't think that sounds like you. You sound smart. I'm just confused by the last thing you said. I think you sound more like Brave Heart Lion. He says:
"I am the leader of the Care Bear Cousins always ready to fight the evil but I don't think before I act. The other Cousins look up to and admire me because when it comes to sharing and caring, I'm the best. My symbol shown everyone that I am a true leader that leads with kindness and with caring."

Doesn't he sound AWESOME? I bet he uses V-M15 Braced Multispectal Shield harders. Those things rock!

Someone give me a battleship.

Maud Dib
Caldari
The Bleeding Heart Cult
Posted - 2003.07.09 13:09:00 - [48]
 

Man, Lola you've got stones. Perhaps the best course might be a middle ground sort to thing. Since Empire Space is supposed to be safer then it should be a lot harder to pirate there than out of Empire space but it should be possible. Maybe CCP could make some gear that let's you have a chance of getting by sentry guns or making them malfunction every so often. I mean big rigs get robbed in cities but it doesn't happen all the time and they get caught a lot. The all or nothing solutions aren't solutions though. They are just *****ing and moaning.

Maarek Steele
Gallente
GalTech Heavy Industries
Posted - 2003.07.09 13:11:00 - [49]
 

You're gloating over beating a bunch of noobs in frigates?

Whatever helps ya get out of bed pal.

Spike Spiegel
Gallente
Posted - 2003.07.09 14:15:00 - [50]
 

Since I havent done any in depth researching into this subject cause of work/college I'll see if any of you guys can help me out here.

Now...if you have a negative SS rating OR a really bad faction with the particular station your docking at in Empire Space they wont let you dock and can/will shoot at you yes? Thats fine sure I'll deal with that when my rating finally goes down hehe

Now my point here is though..are people with HIGH SS still able to dock in npc pirate controlled stations out in .0 space? If so thats just complete B.S. that they can dock in our stations but we cant dock in theirs? If they cant then im all good with that as that is the way it should be...I dont see why the Angel Cartel would be letting some NPC pirate hunter dock and repair his ship after blasting a few of their buds away


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