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Bas Rutten
Pothead Corporation
Posted - 2003.07.07 20:29:00 - [1]
 

Iīve started a similar thread in Patch Review but I need to do it here as well cause it really is a pain now that we have maybe 10k players and there is almost no office space left ... but wasnīt this server meant to host like 100k?? So where would all those noob corporations have their offices in? And again Iīll use my wildlands example - 4 stations there without any free office space. Ok you might say, build your own station but OHH ... you canīt! And maybe you canīt until in 6 monthīs time, who knows? This really is the next thing CCP needs to do something about instead of nerfing anything else to hell. And btw ... the stations in EVE are huge, why in the hell can they only hold such a limited amount of offices? Ainīt that a little unrealistic?

Halo Jones
Caldari
Oberon Incorporated
Posted - 2003.07.07 21:01:00 - [2]
 

yea but it was also meant to incorpate corp takeovers, so corps gte fewer and bigger and more powerful giving more war like situations

but there no fear of story thread in eve, since we are still sitting at buggy lvl1 content :(

Setec
Caldari
The Graduates
Posted - 2003.07.07 21:49:00 - [3]
 

The office space shortage definitely needs to be addressed.

Lurk
Gallente
The PAIN Syndicate
Posted - 2003.07.07 22:19:00 - [4]
 

Offices need to cost more the more you get - as long as you can rent 10k offices for only 10k isk a week? (day?, hour? - hell that doesn't even matter, it's 1 isk) there will always be a shortage as long as the number of offices is limited.
just make every new office cost the double cost of the old one and start like 100 isk
the tenth office would cost you 51200 isk a week.

Irnaii
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2003.07.07 22:26:00 - [5]
 

bas - well spoken.
i got my new job today "caldari office hunter" :)

MuadDib
Posted - 2003.07.07 22:38:00 - [6]
 

I don't get it...

We rarely have problems renting offices. Maybe you need to get out of the newbie systems or the 1.0-0.8 systems?

This week alone I've been able to rent in at least 5 of the 6 or so stations I tried. Sure, they're 0.6 or so systems, and sometimes I have to try more than one station in the system, but so what? Every time one of our memebers has said "Hey there's great mining in xxx system" I've been able to run over and find an office. Every single time.

Try getting out a tiny bit. Offices are *easy* to find. :)

Irnaii
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2003.07.07 22:45:00 - [7]
 

uhm, sometimes u find, sometimes not. and i been to a lot 0.0 where no offices where available. trust me. i agreed cause of the n00bs. lets say someone just started eve and wants to get an office in / around starting system... absolutely not possible.


Ulendar
M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2003.07.08 01:44:00 - [8]
 

MaudDib...

Nobody here is talking about 1.0 space AT ALL. Were talking 0.0 space..

As you may know the stationcounts in amny of the 0.0 regions are rather lowish...and ALL station are ocupied..

Have you ever went to stain region to look for an office? Try it...wont work cause they are all rented out...same thing goes for widlands btw. Its all taken nothing there..

This isnt about wanting to have offices everywhere..this is about the corp hanger feature and how its almost impossible to run an operation without one!

Furthermore the same thing goes to noobs..

Some want to stick to the rookiesystem but they cant cause dewy, daisy, donald and everyone elses mother already rented an office there wich they now never ever use anymore!

Bas Rutten
Pothead Corporation
Posted - 2003.07.08 04:16:00 - [9]
 

And another thing ... you canīt unrent offices right? So there isnīt even the option, as sucky as it might be, to trade offices as it was common with labs and factories b4 the patch.

Athule Snanm
Amarr
Rien Ici
Posted - 2003.07.08 10:24:00 - [10]
 

>>
Nobody here is talking about 1.0 space AT ALL. Were talking 0.0 space..
>>

Absolutely - the 0.0 offices are the most desirable by far and virtually all (if not all) are booked out.

Increasing rents won't work unless the price is astronomical - and that would more likely disproportinately affect small corps more than big ones. We're not a big corp and 51K an office wouldn't even make us blink. Basic office space (ie having a hangar) should probably be unlimited, maybe with a maximum on cargo space and ship docking slots. Actual visible offices (where people can apply) should probably be more limited than they are now.

Slam
Gallente
BIG
Posted - 2003.07.08 10:26:00 - [11]
 

Agree

Currently it is a common tactic to rent office spaces in every station on the frontier.

Corporations do this to prevent other corporations from gaining foothold.

This might be ok if there was a way to dislodge a corporation from an office, but as everybody else on this thread says.

Needs fixing!

Maggot
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2003.07.08 10:36:00 - [12]
 

Posted this in the ideas lab so sorry for repetition but....

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Yes, offices are too cheap and now free spaces are hard to find. A few suggestions:

-Restrict the number of offices based on a skill
This will mean people would only open them where they really needed them.

-Make price related to the number of corp members.
This would reflect the cost of servicing larger numbers numbers of pilots.
However I would suppliment this by creating NPC demand for consumables (Quafe etc), in the location of large corp offices.

-Make price related to the number of cargo kills to and from the station. Could encourage a bit of PvP action.

-Make Price related to the demand in a given station.
i.e. Not restrict supply but keep on bumping up the price for all as each renewal comes up.

Hope CCP sort this out soon as finding a new home really is a pain.

Maggot.

Athule Snanm
Amarr
Rien Ici
Posted - 2003.07.08 10:52:00 - [13]
 

>>-Restrict the number of offices based on a skill
This will mean people would only open them where they really needed them.
>>

Good in principle, but the use of alts makes it less than ideal.

>>
-Make price related to the number of corp members.
This would reflect the cost of servicing larger numbers numbers of pilots.
However I would suppliment this by creating NPC demand for consumables (Quafe etc), in the location of large corp offices.
>>

I like the first of these, but it's hard to see rents being that expensive that it would actually encourage people not to open them. I would support that if it was implemented though. The second one is interesting, but it should really work the other way around. A busy economy should mean more office space for rent, not the other way around.

>>
-Make price related to the number of cargo kills to and from the station. Could encourage a bit of PvP action.
>>

Not sure what this means, but if I understand you correctly, to me it encourages 'farming' NPC pirates which is a bit suspension-of-disbelief killing. The idea that the drones are serving a purpose other than to provide bounties and loot is already rather tenuous, this would reduce it further.

>>
-Make Price related to the demand in a given station.
i.e. Not restrict supply but keep on bumping up the price for all as each renewal comes up.
>>

I really like the last one, I'd fully support that.

Have fun
Finn

Maggot
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2003.07.08 11:06:00 - [14]
 

Athule,

Quote

>>
-Make price related to the number of cargo kills to and from the station. Could encourage a bit of PvP action.
>>

Not sure what this means, but if I understand you correctly, to me it encourages 'farming' NPC pirates which is a bit suspension-of-disbelief killing. The idea that the drones are serving a purpose other than to provide bounties and loot is already rather tenuous, this would reduce it further.

End Quote

What I was suggesting is that if people are farming NPC Cargo ships in a given location the price of offices and maybe commodities would rise in that location. This could lead to PCs who are based in that station protecting cargo ships, thus encoraging further PvP action (which is surely needed now!). However this would need a change in the current security behaviour. i.e. The devs would need to make attacking PC cargo ship looters a legitimate action in the eyes of security factions.

Thx for your feedback.

Maggot

Ulendar
M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2003.07.08 11:13:00 - [15]
 

Or how about this...

If you dont use a hanger for 1 day (take stuff out, put stuff in)

It unrents!

And everything in it becomes inpounded!

I like that. And would be easy to do...they dont even have to mess with the rental fee tomuch...just make it a dayly rental fee. Surely an office is worth more then 1isk per month!

1 isk per day would still be a discrace! 1000 isk per day would be better. Discourage small corps from renting all over AND if an office isnt used it unrents after 1 day anyways.

It worked rather well for the labs and factories didnt it? Whereever you go you can rent a factory or lab now...sure you might have to wait a day or two but they always come free.

Some want to use a lab real quick or produce something real quick so the rent cancels after they dont use it anymore....other desparetly try to hold on to their formal exploiting ways and continue to rent factories and labs only to get unrented again.

IT WORKS!

Now it time to make it work for offices..

CAMPING facilities has been a MAJOR problem in EVE. It got better for facs and labs...now offices are on turn.

Its not because you were in the game first that you should have alone rights to offices in low sec space.

The Vir
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.07.08 11:43:00 - [16]
 

Why not have a more market based approach to the office space problem?

Have each station an assigned volume of space to rent out, then allow the corporations to rent a portion of that space. When all the space is rented the station is full. The price of the space can be made to fluctuate with demand, it's simple and effective, it'll operate similarly to the real world.

Maggot
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2003.07.08 11:48:00 - [17]
 

Ulendar,

I think your idea is nice and simple, but maybe just too inflexible.

I would like to be able to have an office in a number of far away spots in the galaxy and there is no way I will visit them once a week nevermind once a day. But I am prepared to pay for them.

At the moment I cannot get my corp members to move away from their 'home' as there is no promise of office, labs, fac. Having unused offices expiring quickly will not help me.

Your point about being in the game first is absolutely right. But to have an advantage you also needed the forethought that office space would be an issue - which I did not.

Maggot


Edited by: Maggot on 08/07/2003 11:48:34


 

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