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U'puauht
Minmatar
Quid Pro Quo
Posted - 2005.04.27 09:54:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: U''puauht on 27/04/2005 09:59:06
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Might seem so... but there is method in the madness somewhere... as 1584 is 264 + 500% (264x6). It's either a bug related to the interaction of the MWD sig increase formula and the TP sig increase formula or it is an undocumented feature of TPs. (I hope it is the former ofc.)

So in effect, they don't do the 25% sig increase but instead double the MWD sig increase (or rather (before someone gets picky on me: apply the 500% MWD penalty again) .. which should be considered a bug, seeing as that's not what they are meant to do, right?

On another note: does this stack further? Meaning: if you use 2 TP on a MWD-ing Vigil, does its sig radius increase to 9504 ({[(44 x 6) x 6] x 6} / sig radius x MWD x TP bug x TP bug)??

Xtro 2
Caldari
El Bastardos
EVESpace
Posted - 2005.04.27 10:58:00 - [32]
 

When someone uses a MWD, they increase their OWN ships sig radius, the target painters then increase this new sig radius by the stated amount.

It should be correct because the person doing the target painting is not an factor in the other pilots ship.

So Normal Sig Boosted by MWD "THEN" increased by Target Painter, is correct, the figure can be very large but it is not a bug, the painter simply does what it states.

If you dont want to look like a small moon then dont use MWD, just another 1 of those "do i risk MWD or use a afterburner" factors.

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2005.04.27 11:27:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Okeanos
Originally by: Sessho Seki
Originally by: onardian
Edited by: onardian on 26/04/2005 11:37:17

Nice rant, concerning reading comprehension i urge you to heed your own advise.

Hint: Read my comment after Cosmopolites.

EDIT: I really need to delete this Alt... :/ (OKEANOS POSTER)


lol so you're going to lecture ME on my reading comprehension, when it is YOUR short coming to read and comprehend that is at fault?

don't presume to lay your burdon of feeble minded babbling at my door step thank you, I have no use for your lacking abilities.

and a rant indeed it was to set you straight and properly file you in your proper place, that being squarely in the box of not knowing what you're talking about and it shows.

thank you and have a nice day


Rarely have i seen someone display such ignorance and stupidity so freely and with such ease. The rudeness that accompanies those 2 traits is further evidence that your mental capacity does not surpass that of a toad.

As the sole person in this thread about Target Painters who came and ranted about the WCS just because someone used the Warp Core Stab in a comparison, you have identified your self as a complete and utter buffoon.

It's also remarkable how you completely ignore an immediate apology to pursue your random crap spewing activities which you so seem to enjoy, considering i pointed you back at the apology post... even after your originally missed it.

I am sure though that your complete idiotic and moronic presence serves as a beacon of hope for all mankind, for i am sure that when people see that such an intelectual midget is able of applying, connecting and using the forums of an online electronic game such as EVE they feel new hope knowing that things can't be that bad for them.

Toodles.


Agreed, or in other words take a chill pill and lie down. Just cus ppl cant pysically knock you face in that aint no excuse for bad manners unless they deserve it of course but i dont see cause for it here.

Remember manners dont cost a thing, and you'll catch more bees with honey then with vinegar nice little northern saying well so am told.

Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
Posted - 2005.04.27 11:57:00 - [34]
 

There does appear to be some funky stuff going on when a mwdíng ship is painted, other then that... I freaking love the things.

Oh and we now got 4 ew types ( if you don't count webbing and scrambling, since those aren't really ew anyway IMO ):
Minmatar -> Target painting
Gallente -> Sensor dampening
Amarr -> Tracking disruption
Caldari -> Full out jam

Beautiful isn't it? Twisted EvilTwisted Evil

DARTHxFREE
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.04.27 12:10:00 - [35]
 

lets not forget target painters are not the only new EW module to come out,...........you must first be able to target the oponent

the target painter is what makes guns less sucky compared to missles...........now they all rule, with only frigateers to worrie about

im a frigateer, i ain't criying,.........no frigate should be able to oppose a BS

Juan Andalusian
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.04.27 12:17:00 - [36]
 

Quote:
the target painter is what makes guns less sucky compared to missles...........now they all rule, with only frigateers to worrie about


Guns were not exactly in need of target painting to compare to missiles you know.

Liu Kaskakka
PAK
Posted - 2005.04.27 14:28:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Sessho Seki

lol so you're going to lecture ME on my reading comprehension, when it is YOUR short coming to read and comprehend that is at fault?

don't presume to lay your burdon of feeble minded babbling at my door step thank you, I have no use for your lacking abilities.

and a rant indeed it was to set you straight and properly file you in your proper place, that being squarely in the box of not knowing what you're talking about and it shows.

thank you and have a nice day


/me points > mommyyy, is that what they call a ******? Embarassed

Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
Posted - 2005.04.27 14:34:00 - [38]
 

painters are too overpowered imo.

MAcheTT3
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.04.27 17:54:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: MAcheTT3 on 27/04/2005 19:45:08
Well I dunno what I'm doing wrong... I painted an Enyo, with my Enyo and his Sig went from 33 to... 33. Confused This is within 15k.

Never mind. It doesn't show to ME, but it does to him...

U'puauht
Minmatar
Quid Pro Quo
Posted - 2005.04.27 19:28:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Xtro 2
When someone uses a MWD, they increase their OWN ships sig radius, the target painters then increase this new sig radius by the stated amount.

No it doesn't. Someone flying a Vigil using an MWD has a Signature Radius of 264m. Target Painting that Vigil should increase the Signature Radius by 25%, upping it to 330m; in reality, it increases by 500%, upping it to 1584m.
Did you even read the entire thread?

Originally by: Xtro 2
It should be correct because the person doing the target painting is not an factor in the other pilots ship.

So Normal Sig Boosted by MWD "THEN" increased by Target Painter, is correct, the figure can be very large but it is not a bug, the painter simply does what it states.

Again, it does not do what it states.
Also, it doesn't matter in which order the Signature Radius is increased, you can exchange the order of factors in a multiplication without changing the outcome. (6*4*2 = 2*6*4)

Originally by: Xtro 2
If you dont want to look like a small moon then dont use MWD, just another 1 of those "do i risk MWD or use a afterburner" factors.

That much is true though. Given that a lot of interceptors and frigates used for intercepting purposes are using MWD to make tracking harder though, this is overcompensating for their tactic (that is, obviously, my opinion); apart from the fact that it's not working by the numbers as it's supposed to.

Selim
Akh'Vehlr Industries
Posted - 2005.04.27 21:23:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Kaeten
painters are too overpowered imo.


Not as overpowered as sensor damps.

LordHong
Posted - 2005.04.27 21:40:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Noriath
Why were target painters even added to the game? I thought we were trying to get away from giant ships wtfpwning everything that's smaller then them in one volley - so why in the blazes did the devs add a module that counters every effort in that direction?!


they were added to replace something, though what escapes my grasp right now...

Gierling
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.27 21:51:00 - [43]
 

Makes more sense to make them high slot items.

Balanced
Posted - 2005.04.27 21:57:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Sessho Seki
Originally by: DrunkenOne
They are now up there with warp stabs as the most overpowered mods in the game IMO.


<in the voice of Steve Irwin: the crocodile hunter>

crikey! look 'ere.

that was the wailing cry of the "EVE online whiner", they typically only cry out when they don't know what they are talking about and are upset that they are too incapable of actually getting good enough to overcome BETTER players.

Don’t worry though; they are harmless since they can’t stop whining about things that aren’t broken long enough to actually make themselves better than whatever they want to attack.

This particular example apparently isn’t capable of thinking about using more or more effective warp scrambling attacks, so he whines that the counter to his weapon is overpowered, which only shows how feeble a player he apparently is.

Often these “whining cries” go out shortly after a failed attempt at killing a better player, so the “EVE online whiner” takes flight to the nearest message board to cry out and notify the world of how incapable a player they are by claiming an item is overpowered since they are too inept to over come it.

Fortunately, there are plenty of other players out there that do know what they are doing which often causes fits for the “EVE online whiner” but no worries mate, that just forces the “EVE online whiner” to be good or be quiet.


You are totally right about that!! though it is sometimes hard to kill an more sp player in the same ship or less ship or what ever but what i wanted to say is i have killed many 03 players. ( i am an 04 player)
So stop whining u need some luck good strategic engagements and if u loose u loose get over it buy a new ship and take an second chanceCool

Captin Biltmore
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2005.04.27 22:16:00 - [45]
 

Ok, in another test I just hit a frig with a TACH for 800 damage (instakill from 1 turret) while he was MWD'ing around me and painted with 4 target painters :)

Loka
Gallente
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
Posted - 2005.04.28 13:49:00 - [46]
 

4x frigates fitted with dampener wont give your victim the chance to place a painter on you.

Seems the untouchable frigates are the past, if you cant target jam your victim.

Tobiaz
Spacerats
Posted - 2005.04.28 14:15:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Loka
4x frigates fitted with dampener wont give your victim the chance to place a painter on you.

Seems the untouchable frigates are the past, if you cant target jam your victim.


Did BS need another anti-frig measure then? T2 sensor boosters, T2 ECCM, heavy Nos, webber, drones, cruise missiles. They all made taking on a BS in frigates only pretty hard already.

The target painters might be a bit over the top, since they not only make frigate much easier to hit for heavy instadeath turrets and drones, they also decrease the effectivity of remote dampeners, the most important defensive module for frigates after the MWD (which also become a lot less viable option).

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2005.04.28 15:41:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Captin Biltmore
Ok, in another test I just hit a frig with a TACH for 800 damage (instakill from 1 turret) while he was MWD'ing around me and painted with 4 target painters :)


As someone has pointed out if you are using an MWD then the target paint effect is GIGANTICALLY magnified. With 4 Painters and an MWD no wonder he it you with a Tachy... Your sig radius would have been the size of a death star...

I have been using TP in PvP combat for several days, and with two on my Apoc, I have not really noticed any major differences - in fact I was thinking about swapping back to sensor booster II and tracking comp II.

Fact is *most* people set up their BS to combat other BS * and TPs do not make a gigantic difference when fighting other BS. They do may make it easier to hit a cruiser at close range... but unless you are setting your BS to be a dedicated cruiser killer then Target Painters may not be the mid-slot item of choice...

That is just my experience from using them... but its only two days so maybe I am underestimating them...


Vivus Mors
Posted - 2005.04.30 17:55:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Vivus Mors on 30/04/2005 18:15:03
Edited by: Vivus Mors on 30/04/2005 17:55:41

I just like how the nammed target painters spell things with their abbreviations Laughing

like one spells out "PWNAGE" lol

Sessho Seki
Posted - 2005.04.30 18:13:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Balanced

You are totally right about that!! though it is sometimes hard to kill an more sp player in the same ship or less ship or what ever but what i wanted to say is i have killed many 03 players. ( i am an 04 player)
So stop whining u need some luck good strategic engagements and if u loose u loose get over it buy a new ship and take an second chanceCool


why thank you Balanced, it's good to see someone else here that understands they have to actually do the work to kill someone else, the warp scramblers shouldn't be an "I win button", but rather a measure with a proper counter measure as there is now.

Originally by: Okeanos

Rarely have i seen someone display such ignorance and stupidity so freely and with such ease. The rudeness that accompanies those 2 traits is further evidence that your mental capacity does not surpass that of a toad.

As the sole person in this thread about Target Painters who came and ranted about the WCS just because someone used the Warp Core Stab in a comparison, you have identified your self as a complete and utter buffoon.

It's also remarkable how you completely ignore an immediate apology to pursue your random crap spewing activities which you so seem to enjoy, considering i pointed you back at the apology post... even after your originally missed it.

I am sure though that your complete idiotic and moronic presence serves as a beacon of hope for all mankind, for i am sure that when people see that such an intelectual midget is able of applying, connecting and using the forums of an online electronic game such as EVE they feel new hope knowing that things can't be that bad for them.

Toodles.


Rarely have you seen someone like me?

Indeed you have not, because you’re obviously used to seeing people that are wrong, I am not, you are in the wrong here and only going to great lengths to draw attention to just WHY you are so in the wrong.

You apparently are used to people that don’t know what they are talking about, by the simple fact that you were on a COMPLETELY SEPARATE TOPIC than I was arguing about, you clearly don’t know anything about the matter and are indeed the intellectual (that’s how you spell it by the way) midget. –as a side note, if you can’t argue correctly at least get your insults right you troll-

Sessho Seki
Posted - 2005.04.30 18:13:00 - [51]
 

And cobbling in an apology after an assault is little more than punching a man in the face and saying “oops sorry, didn’t mean to”. No no, you’ve fired a shot across my bow, so I gave you a broadside as you justly deserved, and if YOU insist on replying to some how clear your name, then you are only that much more deserving of as many salvos as it shall take to pulverize your nonsense properly. You made a stab at me, and I have mauled you properly precisely as you deserve for giving me a load of your nonsense to begin with. Now you’re doing nothing more than trolling to some how draw attention from your grievous mistake and some how make me into the villain here.

And you of all people are calling ME a buffoon? That’s rich, you’re the one that is apparently lost in a fog of your own bull castings, and now you’ve seen that you screwed up ROYALLY and went off on a tangent against me when you and I were talking about something COMPLETELY SEPARATE. I was setting the Anti-WCS gank-lamer straight, and you jump in after NOT PAYING ATTENTION with a weak troll attempt on me which failed miserably because you don’t know what you’re talking about.

It is YOU that is in the wrong, now sit down you troll, you’re so snide as to not even realize that I wasn’t even crossing your subject until you had to go back and try to de-jackass your message with completely idiotic rebuttal.

Listen, if you’re going to give me a ration of your crap and then try and slink away like the smarmy little board troll that you are, then at least have the conviction to stand up and be an out-right troll, you can’t be an jerk and then double back as if you are now the one that is innocent.

Oh no my misguided adversary, you will remain in your position as the agitator here, and as such you will be judged and drilled precisely as you deserve to be for attempting to flame me when I had nothing to do with your completely insane tangent that you ran off onto simply because your reading comprehension level is apparently that of a garden slug.

IF you want to give me some measure of your crap then you had darn well better sort your own crap out first and at least be on the same SUBJECT if you’re going to grief me about it.

There is nothing worse than a board troll like you that suddenly goes on the defensive when you see that you’ve made a complete fool out of yourself, and I’ve done nothing more than caught you and exposed you for what you are. If you don’t want to be over turned, then stop being a tortoise of infantile and weak minded trolling that can’t even make sure you’re trolling the target as you intended.

Cracken
Gallente
Posted - 2005.05.01 01:14:00 - [52]
 

let this whine thread die plz. The devs don't need too see it.

U'puauht
Minmatar
Quid Pro Quo
Posted - 2005.05.01 02:53:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: U''puauht on 01/05/2005 02:53:21
Originally by: Vivus Mors
like one spells out "PWNAGE" lol

Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron: PWNAGE .. I didn't realize that before .. proof of the GMs having a sense of humour. Razz

TjanitN Tcroxlr
Caldari
Phoenix Enterprises Mining and Industries
Posted - 2005.05.01 06:33:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: ebil yar
Originally by: Maggot
WTS Megabeam II BPCs. Not to CVA of course ;)

These painters need adjusting quickly or everyone in little ships will be hiding under a rock.





Which is what they should be doing. Twisted Evil
You mean they arent now? What is this I am bumping my head on then? Oh. it's the shell of my pod. Razz

Lokes Tynamus
Viscosity
Posted - 2005.05.01 22:39:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Lokes Tynamus on 01/05/2005 22:40:00
So if multiple ships paint a target, do those mods stack? Or are they only applicable to the person thats painting the target?

I guess the senario is, can you throw a couple painters on a ceptor to paint a target for the rest of the fleet? And if so, can you have 3-4 people painting a target to stack their affects?



Cilppiz
FinFleet
Posted - 2005.05.02 11:13:00 - [56]
 

One questions:

Is that counter below target icon supposed to stop when it goes zero or just start from beginning, since my Target Painter II does both usually it just goes on and on but sometimes stop there at first round???

babylonstew
Caldari
Caldari Scouting and Intel Group
Posted - 2005.05.02 12:30:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Cilppiz
One questions:

Is that counter below target icon supposed to stop when it goes zero or just start from beginning, since my Target Painter II does both usually it just goes on and on but sometimes stop there at first round???


mine does that aswell, i assumed that if it stops counting it has failed for that cycle.

as when im painting a target outside the painters optimal it seams to stop around 30% of the time, so im gusing they are failures???

BTW, Im using a pwnage cos i just love the name Laughing


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