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theRaptor
Caldari
Tactical Operations
Posted - 2005.04.24 11:55:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Hardin
If we are so stagnated why do you keep losing your ships to us Caldari? Smile

You initiated this war to

A) Free the Mamet 500
B) End 'our' territorialism in Providence
C) Steal my personal supply of Gallente dancing wenches

So far you have achieved absolutely zilch. You have killed some of our ships. We have killed LOTS of your ships.



From examining our killboards we have killed twice as many capital ships and expensive T2 cruisers, as you have in the last week. And the superior number of T2 frigates you have killed is covered by one of your Heavy Assault losses.

Yes we lost a lot more ships in the beginning. But for the past two weeks at least we have achieved positive kill ratios. Yesterday was the closest day in the last week, and mainly because of one battle (where our pilots stood and died to the last man).

Anyway God told me that I won and you lost, so just accept it, cause God said it.


Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2005.04.24 12:12:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Hardin on 24/04/2005 12:25:47

LOL - You guys never stop do you...

Delude yourselves if you want to but the fact is that you are not winning and every single day that this war goes on simply increases our resolve to crush you.

Have you achieved a single one of your war objectives? No.

Have you damaged the CVA in any way. No - you have in fact helped with our recruitment and training some of our newer pilots.

To be honest I really should be thanking you Star Fraction Smile

When someone brought up the fact that you guys actually think you are winning it caused mass hilarity on our comms channels Laughing

My stomach still hurts Very Happy

You have one target and one target only - the CVA

We fight your anarchist alliance
We fight the Minmatar terrorist alliance
We fight the pirates preying on Amarrians in low-sec space

Just be thankful that so fare we haven't been concerned enough to really concentrate on you. Twisted Evil




Kostantin Mort
Naqam
Exalted.
Posted - 2005.04.24 12:37:00 - [33]
 

All that matters is God. We have God to help us, and through him we become strong. Without God we are nothing, but with him we become angels of retribution. No matter how hard you fight, no matter how long you struggle, we will prevail.

As for your comment about the Ni-Kunni, Pulgor, there is truth in it, although I'm still curious about the history of my race enough to do some research in it.

theRaptor
Caldari
Tactical Operations
Posted - 2005.04.24 12:44:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Kostantin Mort
All that matters is God. We have God to help us, and through him we become strong. Without God we are nothing, but with him we become angels of retribution. No matter how hard you fight, no matter how long you struggle, we will prevail.


No, I have established the fact that God likes us not you.

He is in fact very angry with you.

Golan Trevize
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Posted - 2005.04.24 13:32:00 - [35]
 

***CHUCKLE***


Wakita
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.04.24 13:41:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Wakita on 24/04/2005 13:45:37
Is this worth another thread Lysol. Maybe you should gargle or something to get the bad taste out of your mouth. What I was talking about in the other thread about class. Continuing this here to grab another SF headling is the perfect example of classlessness. To see you start a new thread like this only proves the point I made. SF = No class. I hate the slavers and have fought them for a long time yet I rarely saw them run away. Likewise even if they did retreat we of the Matari would not come to Galnet and broadcast spin and lies for all to see claiming some false victory. You say we Matari should watch how you fight an enemy like CVA? Well Im watching and all I see is a continuous spam for forum propoganda and spin. You people have no credibility left and are the laughing stock of the Eve universe. You could never have the respect or class that is present in even one finger of a Matari warrior or a Amarrian slaver. As much as I hate the slavers its clear they are right on this occasion. Once again SF has opened up the galnet cannons and unleashed a barrage of spin and lies only to have it blow up in your face. Your misfires of galnet propoganda makes you a laughing stock. I laugh myself silly with each additional SF post.

Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free

Wakita
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.04.24 13:44:00 - [37]
 

Quote:
"Have we lost ships, of course. But those are material assests and nothing more. Not of concequence. Have we lost anything else. Pouts his lower lip and shakes his head Im afraid not."


You mean things like class, honor or the respect of the community of Eve. You never had those things to begin with so how can you lose them. Your galnet spamming and belittling is so classless you again show how hopeless and comical the SF really is. I cant wait for the next post to watch you step in the droppings of some hound and walk around again or even worse put your foot in your mouth again.

Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.04.24 13:53:00 - [38]
 


But you love the Amarri Wakita, your love is evident with every word you speak. All your comments are full of your respect for their dignity and honour and class Wakita. That just makes you some kind of Matari uncle tom with a sadly developed codependent relationship with your "betters".

And you show your "class" from ducking the challenge I made to you. That hardly seems a good standard for a Matari warrior.

theRaptor
Caldari
Tactical Operations
Posted - 2005.04.24 13:53:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: theRaptor on 24/04/2005 13:54:18
Originally by: Wakita
Quote:
"Have we lost ships, of course. But those are material assests and nothing more. Not of concequence. Have we lost anything else. Pouts his lower lip and shakes his head Im afraid not."


You mean things like class, honor or the respect of the community of Eve. You never had those things to begin with so how can you lose them. Your galnet spamming and belittling is so classless you again show how hopeless and comical the SF really is. I cant wait for the next post to watch you step in the droppings of some hound and walk around again or even worse put your foot in your mouth again.

Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free



What need have we for honor or respect percieved by slaves?

And dear Wakita do I detect a tint of jealousy in your frothing indictments of us? If no one cares about us why do you post attack after attack?

We are dangerous freespace radicals, not soppy politicians out to impress the public. You may be a "freedom fighter", but I suspect you do it to gain prestige among your people. And feel threatened that we not only free slaves of the body but slaves of the mind.

And God *is* on our side.

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.04.24 13:59:00 - [40]
 


She doesn't fight at all Raptor. The truth is she used to be in the war but fled when she got blown up too many times. Now she justifies preying on neutral merchants as some kind of ideological claptrap funnelling of funds to non-existant Matari causes.

This Wakita is a fraud and just the kind of carping Amarr-loving Matari collaborator that I truly wish I get the chance to blow to pieces one day soon.

Stockton D
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.04.24 14:02:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Wakita
Edited by: Wakita on 24/04/2005 13:45:37
Is this worth another thread Lysol. Maybe you should gargle or something to get the bad taste out of your mouth. What I was talking about in the other thread about class. Continuing this here to grab another SF headling is the perfect example of classlessness. To see you start a new thread like this only proves the point I made. SF = No class. I hate the slavers and have fought them for a long time yet I rarely saw them run away. Likewise even if they did retreat we of the Matari would not come to Galnet and broadcast spin and lies for all to see claiming some false victory. You say we Matari should watch how you fight an enemy like CVA? Well Im watching and all I see is a continuous spam for forum propoganda and spin. You people have no credibility left and are the laughing stock of the Eve universe. You could never have the respect or class that is present in even one finger of a Matari warrior or a Amarrian slaver. As much as I hate the slavers its clear they are right on this occasion. Once again SF has opened up the galnet cannons and unleashed a barrage of spin and lies only to have it blow up in your face. Your misfires of galnet propoganda makes you a laughing stock. I laugh myself silly with each additional SF post.

Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free



I believe it’s obvious this thread was started in deference to the wishes of the original poster of the “open letter” thread. This thread may or may not have been a good idea, but I hardly think this qualifies as “classless”.

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.04.24 14:07:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 24/04/2005 14:35:13

Thank you Stockton D. Nice to see some sensible comment.


Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2005.04.24 14:37:00 - [43]
 

Is Star Fraction even trying anymore?

I have never seen people so desperate to look unaffected by anything.

It is funny to see them now on the defensive in a thread they created. Jokes and sarcasm suddenly replace the rhetoric. Clockwork.

And let's not forget, destroying mere ships doesn't hurt SF!

Quote:
Have we lost ships, of course. But those are material assests and nothing more. Not of concequence. Have we lost anything else. *Pouts his lower lip and shakes his head* Im afraid not.


You sure got em there! Haha, ship losses are nothing! They don't hurt a bit! Since CVA hasn't hit your untouchable figmentive "other" stuff, they've failed miserably!

For the love of god leave the crash abuse for after-work hours.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2005.04.24 14:51:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Aphoxema G
Thing'is... you'aven't much even tried'a DISCUSS this, see? You stubborn punts are so concerned about lookin' like you're winnin'.. I'm sorry if'n ya'll're so stupid as'a get'a idea that we'aven't realized'at we CAN'T GET'A Mamet's token anymore, and might suddenly turn tail'an run home when you finally get it through'our "thick skulls".

Negotiate, have'a talk with Jade... we can make'ya'all red in'na end, or you can surrender to'a more.. uhhh... quiet and peaceful deal, see?



Excuse me?

You want to know why we don't negotiate? Has it occured to you that the diplomatic way of going about things would have been for the SF to contact us about their concerns, rather than making public threats for us to do what you want or else?

Where exactly was the offer of discussions when a member of your alliance publically threatened us with war?

Maybe the reason we haven't tried to negotiate with you is that the actions of your leaders have proven that the SF is a diplomatic basket-case.

theRaptor
Caldari
Tactical Operations
Posted - 2005.04.24 14:54:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Graelyn
Is Star Fraction even trying anymore?

I have never seen people so desperate to look unaffected by anything.

It is funny to see them now on the defensive in a thread they created. Jokes and sarcasm suddenly replace the rhetoric. Clockwork.


What are we affected by? We are taking far less losses then at the beginning of the war, and repaying our enemy twice over for every ship we lose.

Jokes? sarcasm? Maybe by you. I am deadly serious in my conviction that we are going to win. The CVA are constrained by thousands of years of military tactics. Big fleets and overwhelming numbers mean very little when the enemy has no home planet to be scoured by tachyon cannons.

Our very prescence in Amarr space shows CVA's claims to be the Empires protectors, to be lies. They may be off "protecting" the Empire from the Ursha'Khan, but the U'K arent the ones flying around Amarr space leaving informational billboards.

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.04.24 14:55:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 24/04/2005 15:07:38

Originally by: Graelyn
Is Star Fraction even trying anymore?

I have never seen people so desperate to look unaffected by anything.

It is funny to see them now on the defensive in a thread they created. Jokes and sarcasm suddenly replace the rhetoric. Clockwork.

And let's not forget, destroying mere ships doesn't hurt SF!

Quote:
Have we lost ships, of course. But those are material assests and nothing more. Not of concequence. Have we lost anything else. *Pouts his lower lip and shakes his head* Im afraid not.


You sure got em there! Haha, ship losses are nothing! They don't hurt a bit! Since CVA hasn't hit your untouchable figmentive "other" stuff, they've failed miserably!

For the love of god leave the crash abuse for after-work hours.



What gets into you people? You read the latest PR Spin from the CVA and you wolf it down like mana from heaven. Amarri/Caldari/Matari alike. Its like some huge mind control ray that Hardin's got in his back pocket. Is it that you all want to be in PIE so sadly you have to impress the boss with little daily diplays of loyalty and sycophantic mewling?

You want the view from the front Graelyn?

Yesterday I took my Megathron class warship the "blood music" into battle with the CVA. After two hours hunting for the enemy I found a pair of targets, Dominix and Zealot. A pair of SF blackbirds reinforced my combat fleet and were joined by an interceptor to catch and warpscramble. After some dancing around with manouvers we sighted the Zealot at a stargate and began the engagement (I was expecting the Dominix to arrive and reinforce the target and was prepared to destroy it personnally).

The engagement turned sour when the Zealot was reinforced immediately by a previously unscouted and heavily tanked Raven battleship. I switched fire to this target as a primary threat because its potential for fof cruise presented a serious risk to our fleet.

Unfortunately the Raven was then further reinforced by the Dominix (which immediately launched a swarm of drones) and a Gallente technology Deimos heavy assault cruiser that caused me some serious problems.

Our fleet was overwhelmed and the "Blood Music" and Blackbird escorts were destroyed by the combined fire of two battleships and two heavy assault cruisers. All of our fighters stayed and fought and all ships were lost. Nobody ran.

After this crushing defeat we rallied at Yulai and planned a counterattack. The CVA had pursued and we were scouting their presence in and around the bordering systems.

Once again I led the attack with my newly christened Megathron the SFS "Bale Fire" and emerged from warp to face the Deimos that had earlier destroyed "blood music". I destroyed that brave pilot in a hail of mega ion rounds while his patrol mates in the Zealot and a new Ferrox class Battlecruiser poured a lot of firepower into my ship.

The zealot and Ferrox died shortly after from my guns and the fortuitous arrival of a reinforcement Star Fraction Armaggedon commanded by Kale Ryoko of Omerta Syndicate.

Another CVA cruiser and heavy assault cruiser pair were despatched in a nearby system and our enemies retreated for the time.

Now Graelyn, the reason I am telling you this is that clearly you don't have a clue what is actually going on. There is a war being fought and its vicious and deadly. Whatever the comments from the peanut gallery there are brave actions being fought in space and you'll understand my frustration to hear you spout second hand propaganda for the CVA alliance.

Is that all Aegis Militia is now Graelyn? Just some kind of second cheerleading line for the CVA. Because if thats the case I suggest you declare war on the star fraction and come and find out just how little we are trying. I somehow think our idolence and lascitude might be enough to "not try" your little ships into annhiliation.

Just some words from somebody actually fighting.

The CVA is having a hard time from my perspective. They are losing capital ships regularly and suffering defeats in almost every engagement with even odds. They have some very good pilots and they are gradually moving away from Amarri fleet technology to adapt to our tactics, but the fact remains that SF is an alliance with about a third of their active combat numbers with about a 1/10th of their campaign experience and we are now inflicting more damage on the enemy in their own ground than we are receiving in turn.

However the politicians might wish to spin it that represents a major improvement on the early war situation and diminishment of CVA capability.





theRaptor
Caldari
Tactical Operations
Posted - 2005.04.24 14:59:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
You want to know why we don't negotiate? Has it occured to you that the diplomatic way of going about things would have been for the SF to contact us about their concerns, rather than making public threats for us to do what you want or else?

Where exactly was the offer of discussions when a member of your alliance publically threatened us with war?


We threatend you with "unspecified actions", unless you gave us the Mamet 500. You told us that was not going to happen, so we took specified action.

Anytime you feel like handing over the Mamet 500, we will stop taking said specified action.

Wakita
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:26:00 - [48]
 

Quote:
"What gets into you people? You read the latest PR Spin from the CVA and you wolf it down like mana from heaven. Amarri/Caldari/Matari alike. Its like some huge mind control ray that Hardin's got in his back pocket. Is it that you all want to be in PIE so sadly you have to impress the boss with little daily diplays of loyalty and sycophantic mewling?"


Well they do have credibility, the respect of the Eve universe community and a long history of successful activities just as the Matari UshraKhan do. What do you have SF? Nothing of any note that I can see. All I see from you is galnet spamming and lies trying to rile people up. Your forum warfare skill must be at level 15 or something? The slavers are scum but they are respected and credible just as the Matari are. Meanwhile the SF spin machine continues spewing smut into the Galnet airwaves in complete oblivian to the laughter of others. Dont expect instant credibility for jumping into someones established conflit. You have none and youve done nothing to earn it by smacktalking about CVA and demaning the Matari with your holier than thou arrogant attitude. We continue to laugh at your posts please keep them coming. Your the butt of jokes in both the Amarr and Minmatar channels. SF = Court Jesters of Eve.

Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free

Wakita
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:28:00 - [49]
 

Quote:
"Anytime you feel like handing over the Mamet 500, we will stop taking said specified action."


A little bit earlier someone from SF said this had nothing to do with the Mamet 500. Oh Jasmine heres another of the 15 versions we've heard. Credibility anyone? Not from the SF at least. They say anything and do anything to remain in the spotlight. Dont like todays spin? Make some new spin! Thats the SF way of life. The laughingstocks of the universe.

Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:31:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Rodj Blake
You want to know why we don't negotiate? Has it occured to you that the diplomatic way of going about things would have been for the SF to contact us about their concerns, rather than making public threats for us to do what you want or else?

Where exactly was the offer of discussions when a member of your alliance publically threatened us with war?


We threatend you with "unspecified actions", unless you gave us the Mamet 500. You told us that was not going to happen, so we took specified action.

Anytime you feel like handing over the Mamet 500, we will stop taking said specified action.


Which proves my point that the SF are not willing to negotiate.

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:35:00 - [51]
 


Quote:
Well they do have credibility, the respect of the Eve universe community and a long history of successful activities just as the Matari UshraKhan do.


Why do you respect a slave owning alliance that considers you less than an animal Wakita. How does that work?


Wakita
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:37:00 - [52]
 

Quote:
"The CVA is having a hard time from my perspective. They are losing capital ships regularly and suffering defeats in almost every engagement with even odds. They have some very good pilots and they are gradually moving away from Amarri fleet technology to adapt to our tactics, but the fact remains that SF is an alliance with about a third of their active combat numbers with about a 1/10th of their campaign experience and we are now inflicting more damage on the enemy in their own ground than we are receiving in turn. "


Take it from me Jasmine as someone who has lost many ships to the CVA since long before you showed up on the scene. They have more then their share of rich people and ship losses seem to not be a problem with them. I remember the early days of UshraKhan when I was but a new Rona Paratwa member. I remember flying into battle and awaking in a clone bay. I remember the CVA taking some beatings yet they kept coming. What I dont remember was the Matari gloating about it on Galnet and low and behold the CVA did return stronger then ever. The slavers are scum make no doubt about it but your continued forum spamming does nothing but make you look petty. No one cares how many ships you lose or have destroyed. People care about how you carry yourself and your reputation. You have none and no credibility either. Your a johnnycomelately hanging onto the fame brought to the Matari and Amarr due to their own work. Now you climb into the ring and expect the spotlight. Youve done nothing to free slaves or help the Matari. Your an attention seeker and nothing more. I find your continued classless galnet broadcasts completely clueless. Then again that is the SF style isnt it. No class, no respect, no credibility.

Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free

Spruance
Caldari
Cygnus Advanced Technologies
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:38:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Spruance on 24/04/2005 15:38:46
Boy alot of hostility here. I think both parties are fine and peace could have a chance. Can they sit down and talk to one another?

Spruance

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:41:00 - [54]
 


Could you answer my question please Wakita?

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:41:00 - [55]
 

The great irony of that long and well prepared retort is that my comments had nothing to do with the effectiveness of your actual military abilities or accomplishments.

It is your PR people, in thier zeal, saying rather silly things from which I glean at first bemusement, then outright annoyance. Stupid things that insult the intellegence, Amarrain or otherwise, of anyone who reads them.

Doing such in public does and will always lend a new wave of credibility to anything said by your opponent.

You are confusing annoyance with SF as support for CVA. You have so many pages and pages of threads on post-Humanism I don't touch, because (sometimes) there are at least arguably debatable material in there sometimes.

This thread is nothing like that. It is an attempt to look witty that failed miserably. And I will never be too busy that I can't take a moment out from my busy day to laugh at the blatantly pretentious.

Donna Moss
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:42:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Donna Moss on 24/04/2005 15:43:26
Originally by: Ly'sol

The UK show in even numbers and it is the reason why CVA has alway dominated them. If UK adopted our tactics you would quickly find the Golden Fleet in ruins.


Shockeddid I read that right? I think you will find Ly'sol that if you actually check your facts the CVA have never been guilty of dominating UNITY.

In the past week alone their operatives have seen substantial success against the CVA and pirate factions within Minmatar space, in comparison to what little I have heard of your operations which seem more designed to bore the enemy into submission.

Donna

Wakita
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:48:00 - [57]
 

Quote:
"Why do you respect a slave owning alliance that considers you less than an animal Wakita. How does that work?"


They are an honorable enemy although they must all die. I will do almost anything to see my family freed but I will not sacrifice my principles. Principles apparently the SF lacks.

Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.04.24 15:55:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Wakita
Quote:
"Why do you respect a slave owning alliance that considers you less than an animal Wakita. How does that work?"


They are an honorable enemy although they must all die. I will do almost anything to see my family freed but I will not sacrifice my principles. Principles apparently the SF lacks.

Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free




I don't understand how you can honour a race and alliance that considers you nothing more than animal and item of chattel to be bartered and used to display status. I don't understand how you can cite principles in dealing with people who use a chemically addictive substance on women and children and men to ensure they will die if they are removed from their slavers.

I don't understand you. Please explain.


Jakk Graiseach
Trotters Interstellar Traders
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2005.04.24 16:47:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Graelyn

It is your PR people, in thier zeal, saying rather silly things from which I glean at first bemusement, then outright annoyance. Stupid things that insult the intellegence, Amarrain or otherwise, of anyone who reads them.



I don't believe we have any 'PR' people. Whoever it is that has posted is no more acting in an official capacity than I am. *grins*

We simply have individual Owner-Captains who are allowed to express an opinion.

Our main 'PR person' would probably be Jade Constantine, but unfortunately that is not possible here...

Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2005.04.24 17:20:00 - [60]
 

This thread disgusts me.

I despise the SF and what it claims to stand for, almost as much as I despise the UK for what they do to the Empire.

However, there is something called respect between warriors, grown from matching one another through wits, skills and pure courage. Honor.

I am not ashamed to state my deepest respect for some of the pilots of the Ushra'Khan. I am a warrior, I live for the fight, and I fight to serve. I see these ideals, eventhough twisted and misguided, reflected in some of their pilots. They fight and they die with Honor.

The very essence and nature of this kind of thread fills me with disgust. The very headline displays such blatant disrespect and groweling cowardice in face of your enemy, it made me wonder what mettle the Star Fraction really have for the fight.

Are you proud fighters, flying the banner for your cause in pride, or are you spindoctors, twisting the truth to reach your goal by whichever malicious means possible?

I am Amarr, I am PIE, for me there is only Honor and Death.

For the Empire.


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