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Khailea
Posted - 2005.04.18 17:05:00 - [1]
 

hi,

till this day, i thought that a mining barge was the god of minning, but i met a guy, that was telling me that an Apoc is better and this is why: mining barger are kinda weak, while apoc has nice protercion, and can use 8 mining lasers, that is as much as a medium barge, right?

so plz can u expres ur ieads on this topic, whitch one is more efficient for mining?

thank u

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2005.04.18 17:16:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 18/04/2005 17:16:03
Large Mining Barge ("Battleship sized miner") > Apoc
Apoc > Medium Barge ("Cruiser Sized Miner")
Medium Barge > Most/All cruisers.

d Ankou
Shadow Company
Posted - 2005.04.18 17:26:00 - [3]
 

I think theres a time and place for both.

In nice and secure space, a large barge can out mine the apoc. But, say you're sat in 0.0 space with a mining barge and a decent spawn comes on you. The barge doesn't stand a chance really but an apoc could take a beating for awhile.

On the flip side, you could say that a mining barge is much cheaper to replace than an apoc so therefore its better to use this in 0.0 but i personally don't go for that.

As for small and medium barges, well. I don't see the point in them really, other than for ice mining

AvanCade
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2005.04.18 17:35:00 - [4]
 

Medium Barge mins just a bit more then my apoc (3min cycle). But that could be because my altergirl has better mining skills then i do.

Small Medium Barges are just cheap replacements for a mining battleship. Large barge is only thing worth it to my knowledge.

Rafe Waddo
Gallente
0utbreak
Posted - 2005.04.18 17:35:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Rafe Waddo on 19/04/2005 06:58:43
With all skills at level 5, an Apoc does 750.00 m/min (45000.0 m/hour), a Covetor sucks 970.31 m/min (58218.6 m/hour) and the Retriever is good for 646.88 m/min (38812.8 m/hour).

So the large barge is the mining god, but the Apoc can take much more of a beating before going down. A Covetor is comparable to tier I cruisers in terms of shield/armor capacity.

Edit: that's an Apoc with 8 Miner II's and the barges with the max amount of Strip Miner I's they can fit.

Lygos
Amarr
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2005.04.18 17:48:00 - [6]
 

Tech II strip miners are dropping slowly in price. Maybe 50M atm.

An Apoc of course does better than 750m3 per second. Everyone always ignores the drones, both for damage and for mining.

But unfortunately, mining ships have next to zero place out where the real ore is. Personally, I don't see why the barges don't count as real tough, real slow sluggers. There's no reason they can't support tons of armor if nothing else. All that ore can shield internal components with tremendous effectiveness.

Either that or the belt/NPC battleships dynamic needs to be reworked. Belt NPCs need to have respawn nerfed to 5% BSes for surprise factor and slowed respawn. NPCs need to dominate planets and moons and places where NPCs hang out.

Lan2
Astrodynamic Innovations
Posted - 2005.04.18 17:49:00 - [7]
 

A barge is still the only thing that can mine ice as well. The posts above explained the comparrision already though, so I don't need to.

SirSpectre
Gallente
Harbingers Of Destruction
Posted - 2005.04.18 23:14:00 - [8]
 

Of course the Large Barge is the only barge worth getting if you are mining ore. The batges are the only ones that can mine ice, so they are vital to POS users. The one thing is I found out is with Modulated Deep Cores w/ appropriate crystals, The apoc can out mine the large barge, but just barely.

Zeb Carter
Peanut Factory
Good Sax
Posted - 2005.04.18 23:34:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: SirSpectre
Of course the Large Barge is the only barge worth getting if you are mining ore. The batges are the only ones that can mine ice, so they are vital to POS users. The one thing is I found out is with Modulated Deep Cores w/ appropriate crystals, The apoc can out mine the large barge, but just barely.


Not really.

With maxed mining skills a Covetor will bring in 970m/minute with Strip Miner Is. With the same skills an Apoc with MDCM II's using Tech II crystals only brings in 875m/minute. And if we fair things up a bit and let the Covetor use Tech II stuff as well, it really blows the Apoc out of the water at 1,132m/minute.

Devric
Posted - 2005.05.03 21:24:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Lygos
An Apoc of course does better than 750m3 per second. Everyone always ignores the drones, both for damage and for mining.


Mining Barges can take drones too, so it evens it out.

Writhe
Caldari
Writhe Industries
Posted - 2005.05.04 14:46:00 - [11]
 

Where are you people getting these numbers?

I am just curious how my Osprey pans out, as its disposable and doesnt require weeks of training, and I allready have cruiser IV mining IV so its +80% +20% so far to basic mining pull.

Writhe
Caldari
Writhe Industries
Posted - 2005.05.04 15:20:00 - [12]
 

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Chaoskeeper
Minmatar
Pothouse Cartel
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2005.05.04 15:29:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Chaoskeeper on 04/05/2005 15:41:36
well I heard that an Apoc with 8 Deep Core Miners IIs with Mining Crystals IIs is more efficient than any other ship ever known... even with other ores than Merc

but I guess I'm just wrong

oops, sorry SirSpectre... I should read all replies


 

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